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atronach1
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I was having a look the other day at how eve had a massive space battle and was thinking while sitting in sol system... all these ships fighting against klingons in a huge battle would make this game so intense YES this game isnt as hardcore as eve and you do need a awesome graphics card to render all of it but serious it could be done so ask yourself why hasnt this been done yet with STO???
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Because the engine can barely handle 40 ships fighting. Simply put, STO can't handle that kind of scale.
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And there's no playable ship in STO analogous to a Titan in EVE.
I would love it if they could do tings like that, then the game can be ever expanding better and better.
O.M.G. GOT A GOOD IDEA IF THEY ALLOWED MORE SHIPS/ PLAYERS ON THE SERVER!
BATTLE FOR DS9 / Planet (but DS9 would be better) STF!!!!!!!!
Space AND interior battle at the same time!
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That would be awesome!
I hope STO get's better ...
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*In Sulus voice* Hmmmm I like it Captain
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Yes that would be good.
I do like my idea of of a DEFEND DS9 WAR!
I hope STO get's better ...
Ahh the battle for ESD... good times with so many klingons, borg, federation, (think there was a tribble) and so fourth.
But yes I'd like a huge battle map it'd be fun, but that's my opinion.
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so maybe range of weapons 25km and slower battle. and if near planet make planet much bigger. planets now look weird. so small...
EVE's engine also slows server response time drastically so that the server CPUs can keep up. The large battle in question had server response time slowed down to 10%. That means when you pressed a key, the server took 10 seconds to respond to it. (and all reports and videos posted acknowledge this. (Plus, the EVE server still dropped connection a number of times for many pilots; and on relogging they found they were podded or at an extreme disadvantage while the server rerendered everything on their PC monitors.
It woks for EVE as targeting is essentially atomatic (IE select a target, click orbit, and fire until you or he pops. Such an auto server lag setup wouldn't work well for STO space combat.
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Good point. I think many people gloss over that small print when they think battles on that scale are cool. Personally I am glad STO can't do that kind of scale, because fighting in a laggy, time dilated slow motion show with frequent disconnects does not sound like fun to me at all.
Add that to the STO combat mechanics, rather simplistic teaming functions, and quite small scale maps and you'll have a disorientating mess of a battle that's no fun for anyone.
Everything would be invisible. This engine can definitely not handle it.
I never got that far in the battles myself. We'll probably never see those kinds of fights in STO. But you never know.
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Some here are referencing an "epic" space battle in EVE , where 4000 players duked it out .
EVE despite it's age has gotten some interesting media coverage lately , first with a ship worth an estimated $9000 going 'poof' and now with this 4000 player battle that truly brings a new twist to the term "MMO" .
Considering that both the 5 man CE event and the 20 man Fleet SB Defense event have issues in STO , I personally don't think Cryptic's much vaunted engine can handle massive battles .
What you're getting with your carriers & pets is a simulation of a simulation of a massive battle .
And a bad one at that .
Battle to controle an area of space/space station, maybe each ship in that battle rather then jsut die an respawn can only get 3 shots at respawning( on 3 isnt a great number so plz dnt shoot me lol )
I loved that beta battle haha, i had not idea what i was beaming into when i realised the borg were everwhere, and then boom im in esd srounded by borg lol fun times
Pretty much this.
The engine was absolutely not EVER designed to handle this.
Go visit Takofang fights over in CO (yes, the 'oldest' version of the engine, but it's still the same engine). Even on the best of PCs expect your FPS to drop into the single digits if you don't do things like 'turn off damage numbers over everyone's heads' and other things.
Such a large fight (or anything even remotely close) absolutely can't happen in CO/STO/NW. The tech isn't there.
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I agree Trying out EVE last week I fell in love with the beauty of their version of space and ships (especially the Titans. but the game is to complex for me to want to play any longer). But you're also right we can't have space fights that big. I also agree about the Fleet action fights lagging my computer as well.
But even though STO can't handle that amount of players. Their still must be another way to simulate a war. At times, when we enter Klingon space, we should be welcomed accordingly. It doesn't feel like much of a war for my federation player.
So pretty much every player will need at least an 8-core processor with over 32gb ram and two top of the line video cards being liquid cooled, and that's just for 20v20.
The other aspect the EVE battle have is that something was at stake. Ie I think such battle should happen for control over a system (may be event driven by the dev, the side which acheive the most victory could have territorial gain). I think loot is not exactly enough to have implication of player.
One thing I think this huge battle should have is no respawn during the battle. That mean that when you die you respawn at the nearest starbase and you can join again. This way people will be careful and reinforcement will be new player.
Last but no least, the battle should be recorded to be watches on the news as a replay.
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It was a entire region at stake. No events from devs also, the devs only intervention was trying to keep servers running.
The eve devs regularly talk with the player base, during this battle at least 5 of then was talking with the players on twitch channel Mad Ani (a player, who choose to broadcast battles like this as war correspondent).
For those who never played Eve, when you die, you dont respawn, the ship is lost and all consoles too (or modules), you need a backup ship to return to battle.
It is still limited by hardware since EvE's Python based engine is not capable of handling multiple CPUs on a node. This is where EvE is showing its age really, but as long as hardware keeps aggressively advancing, it should be fine as long as they can keep track of the RNG queue.
I'm happy with the 5v5 and occasional 10v10 fights that occur in STO PvP. We don't really need anything bigger, the game is optimized around those 'low' numbers. 10v10 is plenty hectic and epic enough. . .you can't even pay attention to what everyone's doing, there's too much to pay attention to. Most people experience some form of lagging as well.
EVE is an entirely different game. There really is no way to compare it to STO PvP. The combat mechanics are different (simpler, some might say), the game hardware is different, and the entire focus of the game is different. EVE is 90% PvP, and if I were interested in paying 15-20 bucks a month and spending months of time building a destructible character flying destructible ships, I'd be there. I'm not interested in either.
What STO PvP needs is not EVE_styled stuff. It needs rewards, maps, and maybe a tier system based off player experience/success in PvP. It needs development and expansion, something the developers haven't given it in years.
Eve combat is not simple and static as many think.
In fact, eve combat is more complex than STO. There is many combination of ships, modules tactics and many weapon variables: Ammunition types, optimal range of weapons, falloff range, tracking speed, signature radius, signature resolution, rate of fire, maximun velocity, missile flight time, explosion velocity, explosion radius, different types of damage.
I can say there is at least 1,000 modules (consoles), ships and general commodities in eve. I know because i used to buy modules from mission runners to reprocess back to basic minerals to sell on the market. I have a excel spreadsheet just for reprocessing.
Usually, large battles may be composed of more than 1 fleet: Main DPS fleet (ie: Battleships), Support fleet (battlecruisers, logistic ships), Interceptor/interdictor Fleet (fast frigates and cruisers), Covert Ops Fleet (Stealth Bombers and Black ops), Capital Fleet (Carriers and Super Carriers), and Titan fleet.