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Space STFs too easy.
dsaris
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Okie dokie folks... I'm sure this will draw a lot of complaints, but the space STFs are waaaay too easy.
Just for laughs some fleet mates and I jumped in Captain level ships and completed the Elite Space STFs, optionals and all.
Surely we can do better. At least the old STFs had some sort of challenge.
I guess we'll drop down to Commander level ships and try it again.
Just for laughs some fleet mates and I jumped in Captain level ships and completed the Elite Space STFs, optionals and all.
Surely we can do better. At least the old STFs had some sort of challenge.
I guess we'll drop down to Commander level ships and try it again.
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But then again, only having 4, eventually it becomes muscle memory.
Star Trek Online, Now with out the Trek....
Star Trek Online, Now with out the Trek....
We need a 3rd difficulty level that has to be unlocked by rep or accolade.
Anyway, the problem as I see it, isn't just that STFs are too easy. It's that the Borg are too easy.
Tholian capital ships. The Crystalline Entity. That's the kind of battle fighting the Borg should be like. Not Worf showing up in the Defiant saying, "I got this".
Ironically, when they do try to make it more challenging, (the Hive STFs) they become unplayable in Pugs and the Leets won't touch it, because it takes too long. They want their speed runs.
So, it seems what we have, is what works for STO.
Well said. Written.
Hive is bugged, but still quite doable with all optionals in a premade. The fact that it is bugged is what makes it unattractive i.e being lanced at 25km out, while cloaked, etc.
lol, Yeah, that's a pain. It's been so long since I've played it, I forgot about that. Still not fixed, eh? I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Still, even before that became such an issue, "it takes too long" was the typical response given in PESTF as to why no one would join.
I'd be more than willing to add HSE to the lineup if it weren't bugged. Even while bugged it is still quite beatable simply frustrating. If you run ISE, KSE, and CSE you should have them done in less than half an hour. If you were to add HSE you might be closer to that hour long cd that exists.
My team and I did Infected Space Elite in Shuttles once. We had recently run the Vault event and forgot to switch.
It didn't go so well, but it went.
just a fresh example of my experience, KASE yesterday:
1. i had to kill all 4 cubes myself because all other people failed badly. in a risian corvette.
2. a guy in a kumari with a rainbow setup and died like 20 times.
3. 2 scimitars... have done more damage by talaron-nebula-of-death.
4. the only good player was in intrepid class and could have only ensured that no probes sneaked by.
On that thought, I ran an ISE earlier in which I've seen photonic fleet parse higher than some of those players.
Pics or it didn't happen!!
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I'm just messing with you. I believe you.
1) reduced
2) more skill based less build based
increased difficulty leads to player frustration and less income for Cryptic. Sorry.
Make a completely new one that is hard or clone the ones we have, make them harder and call them "Elite+" or something.
Keep what we got and make a new category gets my vote.
get rid of leveling entirely, Mk ~VII gear has no purpose in a mulitplayer game
Yes it would be nice to see something that could somehow be capped for only experienced players who can handle it (to prevent leechers/inexperienced players). The elites as is, are a joke.
Yes and another thing, there is a huge gap between a really bad PUG and a good PUG, not to mention a private run with good players.
So you can imagine the difference between a free VA beemboat and PUG to STF optimized C-Store ship with private queue and good players. It's enormous!
I've seen lot scimitars and good ships with mediocre captains, resulting taking longer to finish and missing the opt.. We normally do all the estfs less than 15min. It couldn't be done that fast pre stf nerf though.
Ground estfs can still doable with blue gears but require melee approach.
Also, with all the grinding, if its not done in 10 mins or less lots of people don't want to do it. CCE is great, it gives 85 fleet marks or 80 nukara marks and 5 fleet marks, but I know quite a few people that don't do it because it "takes too long." Which is a shame.
If you're running with four other professionals, armed with the best gear, and each of which know what they're doing then yeah, they're probably fairly easy. If you want a challenge, I direct you to Hive Onslaught.
However a lot of players seem to jump into STFs with Green or Blue gear, and not all of them know what they're doing. I've been in many STFs where people destroy the wrong objects in the wrong order, or don't protect objects that they're suppose too; they just run off and do their own thing which ruins it for everyone else.
What we need is more STFs, some of which are harder, and others which are of similar difficulty.
Because a you can play elite fresh on level 50 with all green and b all them casuals in sto who never played a game before.
The bright side of it is you can use whatever abilities on elite and still beat the maps and you can get end game gear without having to use money.
I don't STF for gear anymore, I STF because I like em. They are solid bite sized chunks (6/15m) of content & fail teams always manage to amuse me. As it stands only one of the ESTF's is pretty much a non fail with at least one half decent player, the others are far less forgiving with pubs who get it wrong, hardly impossible, but much more luck of the draw.
I've had far too many pubs where people are under 1k damage, no seriously 3k is not hard for any fresh 50 to hit. 5K requires a decent build & depends a bit on the captain's class & 6K should be possible for most ships with some effort & a little time, but beyond that things get harder.
There have been a few threads going around about 10k being "easy" for a fresh 50 in an ESTF, to witch I call BS. The game actually has a lot of gear out there today that will boost DPS by a lot, or make you much harder to kill, never die = no DPS loss & yes in an ESTF you CAN die. It all depends on aggro & timing, if you get hit hard while TT is down even with manual SD you can get one shot if unlucky. It doesn't happen all that often if you play smart, but it can happen.
Mk X Borg = Pure Survivability, great for new 50's
The new Elite drones = 3k DPS for a single hanger with out any effort, that's massive
Scorps = 1.5/2K Solid for those with out T5 Star Base
15% CrtH & 25% CrtD from 5 Romulan BOFF's at 10/14+ mill per BOFF
3% CrtH & 12% CrtD from the console Trio (Rep grind 1x OF T2 + 500Marks x1 + 200 lobi x1)
4/6% CrtH from weapons or 2/3x ACC with Mk XII (Fleet 100+k Dli (2 weeks)/Exchange $$$ Ec)
Now throw DOFFS on top for Extra survivability or DPS depending on build & you start to see that new players DO indeed have to gear up quite a bit to hit those bigger numbers. Tac's with too much survivability have lost access to GDF witch also has hit their DPS a bit, although you can still be crazy & go full glass cannon if you wish.
ESTF's are geared for fresh 50's pulling 3/4K DPS & frankly that IS where the bar needs to be, far too many pubs are filled with people who can't even hit those numbers so bumping the damage bar would kill pub groups for good. The same goes for complex strategy. The second things get too complicated everything falls apart, and the more complex things get the less likely it is for one good player to carry a team to victory, witch is one of the big reasons I still pug STF's.
Last time I was cloaked and talking in the fleet channel and on irc just guarding some pug guy spammed the chat saying the top guy on the map got 100 k and the rest of us around 60.
I know as far as the optional you need to deal damage but outside the accolades is it really that important.
Aslong as people know the map they can do as little damage as they want if you ask me. I play with people regularly who I'd rather have sitting on the bench than playing.
And again that's how it should be, same reason we don't have a votekick function. STO is and has to be a forgiving and easy game.
I do think there should be an STF based on skill, not damage output, giving the AI abilities to use and the ability to use them right to impede player progress (see HSN pre nerfs), now that was fun, of course with a good team composition it was actually easier than it is now. THAT is what elite STFs should be, with the right balance of damage input/output thrown in also.