looking forward to all this stuff! the admiral uniform looks great, and so does the ship skin.
but i think its time to rethink that romulan, and klingon, vet ship shield mod just a bit. the mogai and dhlean have a 1.0 and .92 shield mod, and are very close stat wise to the vet ship. they also have their own special consoles and everything, a .83 shield mod by comparison is unjustifiably bad. a fleet level version would be nice too, its hard to get by on 9 consoles these days
but i think its time to rethink that romulan, and klingon, vet ship shield mod just a bit. the mogai and dhlean have a 1.0 and .92 shield mod, and are very close stat wise to the vet ship. they also have their own special consoles and everything, a .83 shield mod by comparison is unjustifiably bad. a fleet level version would be nice too, its hard to get by on 9 consoles these days
This. Anyone flying a T5 mogai or dhelan already grossly outperforms the vet ship. Go the extra mile and get a fleet version, and there's even more distance between the two.
looking forward to all this stuff! the admiral uniform looks great, and so does the ship skin.
but i think its time to rethink that romulan, and klingon, vet ship shield mod just a bit. the mogai and dhlean have a 1.0 and .92 shield mod, and are very close stat wise to the vet ship. they also have their own special consoles and everything, a .83 shield mod by comparison is unjustifiably bad. a fleet level version would be nice too, its hard to get by on 9 consoles these days
Pretty much this.
9 consoles is no longer acceptable, especially if you have to give one up for the special abilities.
Also a 0.83 shield mod is absolutely rubbish. Another romulan penalty for no benefit.
Thanks for spending the time to give our Romulans their own unique vet rewards.
Just slightly disappointed by the Daeinos stats. Back in the early days of the game the Daeinos -and the two other vet ships- would have been great ships, but time has passed, and all three of them are now outclassed by cstore-3-pack, lockbox, fleet and even the free summer/winter event ships.
Releasing the new romulan variant would have been a good time to address this issue and bring all three of them on par with those ships.
This. Anyone flying a T5 mogai or dhelan already grossly outperforms the vet ship. Go the extra mile and get a fleet version, and there's even more distance between the two.
I've been so looking forward to this ship too.
At least I like the design better than the other two Vet ships.
...just a shame the "new" ship(read Daeinos Heavy Destroyer) is behind a ship that was designed/built 30 years before (read Scimitar)...although I get the qualifier is "Prototype"....oh well pretty ship.....
looking forward to all this stuff! the admiral uniform looks great, and so does the ship skin.
but i think its time to rethink that romulan, and klingon, vet ship shield mod just a bit. the mogai and dhlean have a 1.0 and .92 shield mod, and are very close stat wise to the vet ship. they also have their own special consoles and everything, a .83 shield mod by comparison is unjustifiably bad. a fleet level version would be nice too, its hard to get by on 9 consoles these days
The vet ship is balanced against other vet ships (KDF/Fed) and not C-store ships. They can't go and improve just the Romulan one and leave the others as they are, unless you're ready to take a tradeoff with your upgrade, which people asking for upgrades rarely are. And besides...
Cryptic does still want you to buy the C-store ships.
Anyway, looks pretty sweet. Between the new uniforms and new hull materials, the Romulans are practically Fedlings already. Our diabolical plan is working! More rootbeer, mister ambassador? Just sign here.
The vet ship is balanced against other vet ships (KDF/Fed) and not C-store ships. They can't go and improve just the Romulan one and leave the others as they are, unless you're ready to take a tradeoff with your upgrade, which people asking for upgrades rarely are.
You completely missed what was being asked for. The Chimera is fairly comparable to T5 ships of its faction stat-wise. The Pegh'qu barely is, and the Daeinos is obsolete right out of the starting gate. The latter two need some serious love.
9 consoles is no longer acceptable, especially if you have to give one up for the special abilities.
Also a 0.83 shield mod is absolutely rubbish. Another romulan penalty for no benefit.
Yes ... ALL the veteran ships need to be updated with 10 consoles (or maybe even 11 since they are veteran rewards after all).
The fact that most FREE T5 ships with 10 consoles available to new players are better than the veteran ships is horrible. Yes, the main console with tactical/regenerative mode and lotus attack are nice, but a good 10-console build on any other T5 ship makes the veteran ships obsolete.
The vet ships need at least one more console slot.
In the immortal words of Captain Sisko: "It may not be what you believe, but that doesn't make it wrong."
Don't believe the lies in this forum. I am NOT an ARC user. I play STO on Steam or not at all.
You completely missed what was being asked for. The Chimera is fairly comparable to T5 ships of its faction stat-wise. The Pegh'qu barely is, and the Daeinos is obsolete right out of the starting gate. The latter two need some serious love.
No, you're not getting it. If the veteran ships are pretty much equal across the board, and for one faction they're as good as anything else they've got, and for the other(s) they're sub-standard, that means those factions have qualitatively better ships. Congratulations. However that does not mean the veteran ship must also be updated to reflect that imbalance for those factions. It's a free ship. We all get the same one. Take it or leave it.
So besides the power penalty all Romulan ships have to compensate for battle cloak and singularity powers the Daeinos also has the 0,83 shield mod the Peghqu' has to compensate for its battle cloak? Cryptic, are you intentionally giving us a completely worthless ship?
This is the best looking of the 1000 day veteran ships. For some reason it reminds me of The Phoenix from Battle of the Planets. The uniforms look really great too.
An outstanding job and an added bonus to those of us who purchased a life time subscription.
The Starfish is happy, and can't wait to play with the new toys.
My only request is that the Scout gets a variant with better stats as a potential starter ship on the C Store.
The uniforms looks nice, hats off to the art team once again. The new ship skin might be my favorite of the rewards, it reminds me a bit of the TOS warbird color, but brought into the modern era of Romulan design.
Really, we need 10 consoles on the vet ship. There is just no justifying the summer event ship out-performing the vet ships. Also, that shield modifier is awful. At least the shuttle seems serviceable, and is a nice looking canon design.
No, you're not getting it. If the veteran ships are pretty much equal across the board, and for one faction they're as good as anything else they've got, and for the other(s) they're sub-standard, that means those factions have qualitatively better ships. Congratulations. However that does not mean the veteran ship must also be updated to reflect that imbalance for those factions. It's a free ship. We all get the same one. Take it or leave it.
Congratulations on missing the point for the second time. The vet ship's role isn't to provide a single absolute statistical benchmark for all three factions. Its function is to provide a ship comparable to T5 vessels of its parent faction, while allowing the player to show off that they've been around for 1k+ days (or a lifer).
At the current stat setup the Pegh'qu and Daeinos do the latter, not the former.
Congratulations on missing the point for the second time. The vet ship's role isn't to provide a single absolute statistical benchmark for all three factions. Its function is to provide a ship comparable to T5 vessels of its parent faction, while allowing the player to show off that they've been around for 1k+ days (or a lifer).
At the current stat setup the Pegh'qu and Daeinos do the latter, not the former.
Daeinos
.83 shield mod
34,500 hull
14 turn
mogai
1.0 shield mod
33,000 hull
14 turn
Dhelan
.95 shield mod
31500 hull
16 turn
one of these ships is pretty badly outclassed. the other 2 are overpowered sure, but the Daeinos competes with them regardless, and its competition has fleet versions with even higher stats too. it would not be a lot to ask for a .9 shield mod for this ship, same for the kdf version too. give the fed version a .95 mod in return.
and then a fleet version too. only vets would have the base version with the console, for everyone else, they would have to pay for 4 fleet mods, and have the ship without the console.
Uniforms look awesome, however i would have had the 200 day as the 900 (But thats my opinion)
The Vet ship: Looks great, much better than the Fed version so 10/10 on that however im with the majority saying the stats are a let down.
How can a 200 pound ship be less spec than a 45 pound ship.. kinda doesnt really make sense.
That being said.. 10/10 for all your work, Cheers guys.. look forward to the patch
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG! This thursday! Can't wait! I better hurry up and get my Rommies up to 50 so I can flutter about in that ship.
P.S. Love how it looks like the Griffin class from Star Trek Armada, and that 900 day veteran skin is very reminisent of the Romulan Fire Hawk warbirds from Starfleet Command, OMG, geeking out way to much!
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but i think its time to rethink that romulan, and klingon, vet ship shield mod just a bit. the mogai and dhlean have a 1.0 and .92 shield mod, and are very close stat wise to the vet ship. they also have their own special consoles and everything, a .83 shield mod by comparison is unjustifiably bad. a fleet level version would be nice too, its hard to get by on 9 consoles these days
This. Anyone flying a T5 mogai or dhelan already grossly outperforms the vet ship. Go the extra mile and get a fleet version, and there's even more distance between the two.
I'm also going to throw out how much I would like to see a fleet version of the vet ships.
Pretty much this.
9 consoles is no longer acceptable, especially if you have to give one up for the special abilities.
Also a 0.83 shield mod is absolutely rubbish. Another romulan penalty for no benefit.
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Just slightly disappointed by the Daeinos stats. Back in the early days of the game the Daeinos -and the two other vet ships- would have been great ships, but time has passed, and all three of them are now outclassed by cstore-3-pack, lockbox, fleet and even the free summer/winter event ships.
Releasing the new romulan variant would have been a good time to address this issue and bring all three of them on par with those ships.
I've been so looking forward to this ship too.
At least I like the design better than the other two Vet ships.
...just a shame the "new" ship(read Daeinos Heavy Destroyer) is behind a ship that was designed/built 30 years before (read Scimitar)...although I get the qualifier is "Prototype"....oh well pretty ship.....
The vet ship is balanced against other vet ships (KDF/Fed) and not C-store ships. They can't go and improve just the Romulan one and leave the others as they are, unless you're ready to take a tradeoff with your upgrade, which people asking for upgrades rarely are. And besides...
Cryptic does still want you to buy the C-store ships.
Anyway, looks pretty sweet. Between the new uniforms and new hull materials, the Romulans are practically Fedlings already. Our diabolical plan is working! More rootbeer, mister ambassador? Just sign here.
You completely missed what was being asked for. The Chimera is fairly comparable to T5 ships of its faction stat-wise. The Pegh'qu barely is, and the Daeinos is obsolete right out of the starting gate. The latter two need some serious love.
However is there any update on when the costume slots will be fixed so we can use the new costumes? Currently all mine are bugged.
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Yes ... ALL the veteran ships need to be updated with 10 consoles (or maybe even 11 since they are veteran rewards after all).
The fact that most FREE T5 ships with 10 consoles available to new players are better than the veteran ships is horrible. Yes, the main console with tactical/regenerative mode and lotus attack are nice, but a good 10-console build on any other T5 ship makes the veteran ships obsolete.
The vet ships need at least one more console slot.
Don't believe the lies in this forum. I am NOT an ARC user. I play STO on Steam or not at all.
.....I went to ESD to get mine......(The android Boff I mean)
No, you're not getting it. If the veteran ships are pretty much equal across the board, and for one faction they're as good as anything else they've got, and for the other(s) they're sub-standard, that means those factions have qualitatively better ships. Congratulations. However that does not mean the veteran ship must also be updated to reflect that imbalance for those factions. It's a free ship. We all get the same one. Take it or leave it.
This is the best looking of the 1000 day veteran ships. For some reason it reminds me of The Phoenix from Battle of the Planets. The uniforms look really great too.
An outstanding job and an added bonus to those of us who purchased a life time subscription.
The Starfish is happy, and can't wait to play with the new toys.
My only request is that the Scout gets a variant with better stats as a potential starter ship on the C Store.
Really, we need 10 consoles on the vet ship. There is just no justifying the summer event ship out-performing the vet ships. Also, that shield modifier is awful. At least the shuttle seems serviceable, and is a nice looking canon design.
Congratulations on missing the point for the second time. The vet ship's role isn't to provide a single absolute statistical benchmark for all three factions. Its function is to provide a ship comparable to T5 vessels of its parent faction, while allowing the player to show off that they've been around for 1k+ days (or a lifer).
At the current stat setup the Pegh'qu and Daeinos do the latter, not the former.
U.S.S. Maelstrom, NCC-71417 (Constitution III-class/flagship) --- Fleet Admiral Hauk' --|-- Dahar Master Hauk --- I.K.S. qu'In 'an bortaS (D7-class / flagship)
Daeinos
.83 shield mod
34,500 hull
14 turn
mogai
1.0 shield mod
33,000 hull
14 turn
Dhelan
.95 shield mod
31500 hull
16 turn
one of these ships is pretty badly outclassed. the other 2 are overpowered sure, but the Daeinos competes with them regardless, and its competition has fleet versions with even higher stats too. it would not be a lot to ask for a .9 shield mod for this ship, same for the kdf version too. give the fed version a .95 mod in return.
and then a fleet version too. only vets would have the base version with the console, for everyone else, they would have to pay for 4 fleet mods, and have the ship without the console.
On a side note, can we get a Temporal Romulan Vessel available?
Uniforms look awesome, however i would have had the 200 day as the 900 (But thats my opinion)
The Vet ship: Looks great, much better than the Fed version so 10/10 on that however im with the majority saying the stats are a let down.
How can a 200 pound ship be less spec than a 45 pound ship.. kinda doesnt really make sense.
That being said.. 10/10 for all your work, Cheers guys.. look forward to the patch
The Gig also looks nice. I need to run the Vault again to outfit mine with proper disruptors however.
Though, I honestly hope you plan on calling it something else than the "Captain's Gig". That name sounds kinda silly :P
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
P.S. Love how it looks like the Griffin class from Star Trek Armada, and that 900 day veteran skin is very reminisent of the Romulan Fire Hawk warbirds from Starfleet Command, OMG, geeking out way to much!