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neok182
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This is the 900 day Veteran outfit. the romulan Admiral outfit:
http://images-cdn.perfectworld.com/www/pictures/1374256569391.jpg
Look familiar? it should, it's a romulan version of the FREE Federation VA outfit. Personally I'm not happy about this.
FED/KDF Vet outfits are incredibly unique and have nothing else in the game that looks like them. gold trim and other unique features. But this romulan one is just the standard romulan outfit in the VA coat. No gold trim, nothing special at all.
Now i'm not saying that i don't appreciate the work, i do, and i love the formal outfit. But this for our 900 day Veteran outfit is a bit of a joke.
This outfit should be free for all romulans as the standard level 50 outfit like what FED/KDF get. And a new unique outfit with veteran features should be created. Personally i would have no problem waiting another month or two for a true veteran outfit and not just an admiral one.
Maybe i'm alone here and if so i'll gladly drop my complaint but if not then urge others to speak up and though doubtful maybe we'll get a response.
http://images-cdn.perfectworld.com/www/pictures/1374256569391.jpg
Look familiar? it should, it's a romulan version of the FREE Federation VA outfit. Personally I'm not happy about this.
FED/KDF Vet outfits are incredibly unique and have nothing else in the game that looks like them. gold trim and other unique features. But this romulan one is just the standard romulan outfit in the VA coat. No gold trim, nothing special at all.
Now i'm not saying that i don't appreciate the work, i do, and i love the formal outfit. But this for our 900 day Veteran outfit is a bit of a joke.
This outfit should be free for all romulans as the standard level 50 outfit like what FED/KDF get. And a new unique outfit with veteran features should be created. Personally i would have no problem waiting another month or two for a true veteran outfit and not just an admiral one.
Maybe i'm alone here and if so i'll gladly drop my complaint but if not then urge others to speak up and though doubtful maybe we'll get a response.
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This looks like its not just a coat, but a pretty complete uniform. The Undershirt and Boots are certainly new.
The Admiral's Coat was Jacket only, and I agree there should be some parity there. This looks like it's based off the higher collar version of the Romulan Republic Uniform. Maybe they could make a version with the low cut collar for the Admirals coat.
Meaning: when under environmental lighting, the texture looks matte and drab.
The formal dress is a fair 200 day reward. But this?
This is a very weak standard for the benchmark previously set by other veteran outfits like the Jupiter uniform. So, I agree with the opening poster: this is an Admiral outfit that should be unlocked at level 40 like its Federation counterpart. I'm glad for the addition, but this doesn't qualify as a Veteran uniform reward.
Want an hint? Grab something that resembles the silhouette of the Tal Shiar uniform, and then add the sort of glossy coolness you'd find on the allied uniforms: perhaps combining the sleek figure-hugging of the KDF outfits with the metal-bling of the Federation ones. Many players consider the jump from Republic Neutral uniforms to Aligned uniforms as an improvement; and I'd heartily recommend that the Veteran uniform you'd provide would not feel like a step back.
When you get your veteran uniform, you're supposed to feel cooler about achieving that status, not feel you're back to the drab uniforms you were wearing back when you were a lieutenant.
The Fed vet uniform is pretty clumsily made, and the only good bit of it only works if you spend Zen on the actual jupiter uniform pack. Can't speak for the klinks, haven't used them very much...
But, your complaining that the ROMULAN vet uniform looks too romulan?
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If you enjoy having an Admiral jacket, more power to you. but that doesn't make it a 900-day vet reward.
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I think the formal dress outfit looks great. Thing is, though, that it's a "formal dress" uniform.
It doesn't visually fill the presence the actual 900-day veteran uniform could've filled. It's rather minimalistic compared to much of what a Romulan character has access to at level 11+
In my mind's eye, the Romulan character starts as a civilian and has access to those outfits. Then you join D'tan's ragtag resistance movement and get access to the uniforms they've tried to get cobbled up in an effort to establish their fledgling military force.
Then you have the Khitomer conference, and with it over the Romulan republic is firmly established as a 'thing'. Your character becomes part of a joint-force effort one one of the two factions, and you get access to those faction-aligned uniforms. Those aren't straight out Fed/KDF uniforms, they clearly have a Romulan flavor to them, as if the Republic was borrowing resources from their ally to better outfit its people.
It's a journey of progressive visual identity defining itself, and once you're dealing with level 50 veterans, it feels odd to take steps back on this journey. The win-win scenario for a 900-day veteran uniform would've been to share visual characteristics of both KDF and Fed-allied outfits so that those would feel at home on characters based in both camps. In taking the sleekness of the KDF-allied uniform and combining it with the metallic presence on the Fed-allied uniforms, that could've been an exercise of Republic designers grabbing the strong points of each uniforms and then making their own improved version that would be their own.
After all, by level 50 in the story and Tier 5 reputation, the Romulan Republic is no longer this rag-tag resistance movement. It's stood against all comers and thanks to the contributions of its brave captains and its collaborators, it survived its enemies to the point of being able to start flourishing.
A 900-day veteran uniform could've represented that. It could've stated that message. But instead it's returning to the militia-like outfit and giving a coat-variant meant for admirals to its veterans, rather than taking all the cool features of the uniforms preceding that progression and making them their own in a single unique package that could've represented the future of the Republic now that it's no longer rag-tag and desperately clinging on to its cause.
That's why I'm not enthused by this. I feel the character artists dropped the ball for this Veteran uniform. The Admiral uniform is a decent outfit - I'm sure it'd be welcome for silver players whom would progress up to level 40 and add it to what they can wear... but a 900-day veteran uniform deserved better than that.
100 days = Badge
200 days = Special Veteran Costume Piece
500 days = Fed Jupiter/KDF Shoulder Cape
900 days = Unique Uniform Variant
But the Romulan Republic Uniform is the official uniform. Its what the NPCs at Command and the Flotilla wear, and probably what more NPC on New Romulus should be wearing. I can't think of a single NPC that wears the Fed or KDF versions.
I see the RR Uniforms as a evolution from the Nemesis Romulan Uniform. This uniform started to move to a more formal collar style and toward straight legged pants. It also started to add more earth tone elements to it.
This a clear move away from the black and grays with some touches of color, and culottes that was seen in early incarnations of the uniform.
I think if STO went darker and blacker with the uniform and had the color pattern pop out a bit more a lot of people that hate them would probably think there were the best thing since sliced bread.
You're right, it doesn't.
What does make it a 900 day vet uniform is the fact Cryptic made it and said "This is the 900-day vet uniform."
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I'm not saying the whole design scheme behind the Republic Neutral uniform is bad, but the Republic uniform have one huge flaw.
They're very matte and drab.
Bring them to a replay of "Colliseum" and look how well the specular/glossiness holds up in the Nopada Desert night-time map (this map, I believe, has some of the best lighting environmental work in the game). Many outfits you'll have will have light play across the uniform in interesting ways. But Republic Neutral? It won't. It'll come under the moonlight, barely react to it, and generally look boring.
I was actually a big fan of the art for Republic Neutral uniforms - the Romulan woman on the poster as much as the concepts released (I still want that chevron-collar undershirt!). But in-engine, it's weak! If you darken it, you'll notice a bit of squary glossiness, but it's just a sad little bit. If you keep to the 'official' coloring, it doesn't even show in most lighting - especially not on the Nopada ground map.
I wouldn't be adverse to a veteran uniform drawing a lot from the Republic Neutral scheme, but the textures need some serious sprucing up for that badass "I'm a vet wearing the veteran uniform for my faction" feel... which the admiral coat doesn't cover. The formal dress uniform strikes a lot of good cords, but it's formal dress and not a republic uniform either.
I like the outfit, i do, and i will be using it. it fits with the standard romulan ones and looks good and comparable to the VA coat that feds get and the KDF version, that however is a FREE outfit.
For the 900 Day vet outfit i feel that this is a joke, compared to the 2 uniforms (not including varients) that FEDs get and the uniform that KDF gets that is incredibly unique this is a bit of a joke since there is nothing unique about these. It's the standard romulan outfit turned into a coat.
The Formal one does look great and i love it, but for this being the 900 day item. It's a bit of a joke. This should of been a free lvl 50 item, and a real 900 day vet uniform on par with FED/KDF should of been made.
Right now, the standard fed/rom uniform looks a lot better, and has the metallic trim that all other 900 day vet uniforms have.
Its not comparable to the Fed Coat, as the Fed coat is only a coat. This is a Coat, Undershirt, and Boots. Since we can't see the bits on Tribble yet, it might even be Gloves and Pants.
The Vet Jacket looks based off of the Romulan Republic 1 collar. They should make a version based on the Romulan Republic 2 collar and have that as the Admiral Rank reward jacket.
It's comparable because it's the same basic design. Though yes this does include more than just the upper outfit.
But aside from the multiple parts, compared to to the FED/KDF vet outfits it's a disappointment.
Couldnt agree more..
like i said, not trying to be ungrateful, but this outfit is in no way comparable to the quality and uniqueness of the FED/KDF 900 day uniform(s)
All this. I like the look. Can't wait for the boots.
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I find recolouring them makes a huge difference.
The default colour scheme is horrendously beige. Move into nice Romulan greens and introduce at least one other colour and they look amazing.
BTW, still waiting on that Dahar Master coat which all the Klink NPCs are sporting. Most of the KDF players, when asked about being able to wear this, will respond the same way.
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Then by that standard none of the uniform jackets are acceptable veteran rewards because they are all based on the same basic designs that are used in non-vet rewards.
If the problem is there isn't gold or silver shoulders like the fed uniform, say that and maybe they can add it as an option, like its an option on the Jupiter, but this wishy washy "the quality of the design isn't up the the same standard" has no basis in fact, its purely an opinion.
The Leveling up Admirals Coat for the fed is nothing but a low quality coat design, probably hastily converted from the NPC version Adm Quinn wears. If you pick a light colored trim you can clearly see how it bleeds out well past the trim in many places.
Like the other veteran uniforms this is a complete, or nearly complete uniform, that has pieces for most of the visible slots. By that standard alone it's certainly on par with the other uniforms.
The uniform not having metallic bling or being shiny enough is certainly worthwhile criticism due consideration as selectable options, but it really doesn't rise to the level of making this uniform any less worthy of veteran status. KDF and Fed Veteran uniforms rewards certainly aren't very similar either.
It does not look that Romulan it looks too Cowboy Duster/Firefly esque.
No offense to the Devs for their attempts to make a new style for the Romulans but making them go Wild West sort of made me a bit ill. These are Romans not some Ranch Hands from America. Their style of clothing should take more cues from Ancient Rome rather than (what is by this time line) Ancient Western America.
Also, your character is no longer some Civilian (in story anyway), they are part of a Military Fleet. They are either part of the KDF or Starfleet and also the Romulan Republic. So their outfit should probably either be two different outfits based on which side you are with or a Romulan Republic specific one that is modern and very Romluan in feel.
I will be sticking with the TNG and TOS style outfits myself thanks...
BTW: About Klingon Vet Uniforms... Um... What is the Klingon Vet Uniform? I mean I know you get special shoulder pads and the capes but besides that is there some sort of main piece that is different because I have never really noticed it?
I will however reserve full judgement until i see it live.