It ws so pathetically low before that people could compact hundreds of doffs using a day's worth of dil.
I personally think that halving the current cost would be reasonable, but less than that would be too little cost.
I agree, and even halving it might be too low. Already the blue-purple is nearly the same EC profit as selling unreplicated materials, which is one of the more effective ways to turn Dil into EC. Still, I'd think half is worth looking at. Given all the dil sinks in fleets and reputation, and how frustrated people are with those, I think that it's better this be a tick lower than my own comfort level.
1. 5k to go from blue to purp is too damn high. Always has been. A price 1/2 of this might be tolerable.
2. Like a previous poster said, too risky to end up with a purple Chef, botanist, etc.
3. ALL existing doffs (except sector ones) should be in the available que. That is to say, the lockbox ones, the reinforcement packs, ALL of them should have a chance to be distributed with an upgrade (albeit small)
4. A way to chose at least the sub-category of Doffs you trade up to could also be a way to make it more desirable. I would bet you MORE people would spend the 5k dil if they had *some* control over what they got, albeit limited.
I'd rather grind the blue doffs into starbase food and buy what I want from the exchange than play an expensive lotto (takes 5 blues and a lot of dilithium) for a small chance to get a useful purple and a high chance of getting a garbage purple.
Reworking it similar to how the current Suliban recruitment missions work would be far better.
I'd pay a ton of dil or ec or even zen if I could decide everything about the doff. Traits, specialization, rarity, species, etc.
I agree, and even halving it might be too low. Already the blue-purple is nearly the same EC profit as selling unreplicated materials, which is one of the more effective ways to turn Dil into EC. Still, I'd think half is worth looking at. Given all the dil sinks in fleets and reputation, and how frustrated people are with those, I think that it's better this be a tick lower than my own comfort level.
The blue/purple doff prices are up because the supply is down since the Risa Summer event release due to a patch included there(stealth). If you have noticed, common refugee prices have gone down from 100k to 40k since then, while purple doff prices crept up. At this point, they can return the assignment to the original dil price and the massive blue doff to purple grinding wouldn't come back.
I agree the dilithium price to reasign those duty officer is to heavy it is why i left when season 7 came even with my lifetime account i just buyed. it burn me out to see how much we have to pay for a randome purple duty officer. i even buyed those on the zen store and it is useless caus i have to get always more dilithium to compact them into a purple.
i feel exausthed with this game . you raised the price of evrything since season 7. and i understand you need money to keep this game running but understand me. if you take too much from us it is only getting us keeping about money and we do not enjoy the game any more.
another thing i can tell is if you remember before season 7 we had a subtranswaped assimilated drive for 1 stf. after season 4 we needed 5 data chip to get it tath meen 3 elite stf. since season 7 we need about 15 000 dilithium for getting only a mark 10.
and i dont even talk about the crafting system you need now to buy unreplicable stuff tath cost dilithium at memory alpha for only a mark xi rare.
wath i mean is we just keep thinking about how is it gonna take time or $ in real life to get it and if we want to cut it with half real money to get half time getting wath we really want in this game it is not worth it.
if you would lower the price for the doff or if we could get something not random it would be totaly be fair and we could still think about having fun in the game and not always how is it gonna cost us $$$ to get the fun! cause all i think when i play rigth now is how pwe cryptic get more money out of our pocket evry season update.
Respectfully please consider it.
sorry for my laps of english cause im french canadian.
Well we should keep in mind that Heretic's original intention behind adding the compactor was to give people a third option for getting rid of extra doffs. It's not meant to be an easy way to get purples.
so now we need to pay 6000 to get rid of the extra? and how would you suggest we get the purple doff if it is not in compacting? and if i buy those doff pact if i want more rare or purple we need to pay to compact or deleted them?
how could anyone defend a point like tath?
now if we want to get something we want we need to make a figth with broker on the exchange who get pay real money to sell energy credit
Game is suppose to make fun! im working and i dont find tath making money out of people who try to have a little fun after work. this game is coming too much around paying always more and more if we want the better console or doff or gear. if we dont have those it is not fun cause we dont stand a chance in pvp cause the gear is not part of the level. once you did more than a 1000 stf and all those other mission wath do you have left to do? try to get better gear but it is impossible unless you put around 30 000 000 ec on the exchange for 1 mk xii purple console.
i would just like pwe to consider another way to get there money... cause it is like the stf before it is random drop alway for doff
if i could open a store on the reputation and pick the one i want or something like tath it would already be better. cause right now i could throw 300$ in a month and never know if i ever gonna get wath im looking for, it is pure gambling.
so please dont throw me tomatoes and think about it
For the most part it is definitely cheaper just to break down the 5 blue doffs and sell for starbase food then use ec gained to buy the purple that you wanted. Assuming you get market minimum (atm approx 25,000 ec) for your doffs that you break down to whites, you'll get 1,125,000 ec total.
Use that 1.125 mil (it will be more since it's statistically improbable that you would hit market bottom 45/45 times) as a good starting point to buy the doff of your choice from the exchange. Especially since if you play the reassign lotto you might spend 5 blues and a lot of dilithium and end up with a purple bartender.
While reassigning take note of what green doffs sell good. Sometimes greens are worth more ec than the total of the 3 whites you could turn them into. Examples include technicians and mam specialists. Keep in mind that faction has a lot to do with the pricing on these as well and that klingon doffs (green+) will generally go for more than the federation counterpart due to a lesser population and price accordingly. The new filter "only show usable items" works great for that purpose regarding doffs (terrible filter for almost everything else and I recommend you don't use it outside of doffs).
If you want purples, you can do academy recruitment incessantly. It does on very rare occasions give you purples.
Also, there are Asylum missions. Those are a relatively good way to get purples. Not guaranteed, but pretty good.
Then we have the officer exchange missions in Cardassian Space. They have a few interesting requirements, but they have a relatively high chance of giving you purples.
If you want purples, you can do academy recruitment incessantly. It does on very rare occasions give you purples.
Also, there are Asylum missions. Those are a relatively good way to get purples. Not guaranteed, but pretty good.
Then we have the officer exchange missions in Cardassian Space. They have a few interesting requirements, but they have a relatively high chance of giving you purples.
Not sure if you are talking to me or an above poster, but I enjoy the doff system more than the actual game. I spend far more time running doff missions than I do in queues and stfs.
thanks for the trick you told me but i knew them all already. i just asked to cryptic to consider the thing i was asking. cause i know i am not the only one thinking the same. passing to 500 dilithium to 5000 in season 7 for 5 doff compactor is to much i think 1000 should be enough. now it is 6000 and if no one says anything about it then sky is the limit.
i mean evry price as jumped high since season 7 and the retrieval of some good daily mission getting dilithium like Btran cluster va daily.
i buyed a lifetime of a game i liked and slowly becoming a game ... lot of my friend list active players dont play anymore for the same reason. i continue to play in hope it is gonna change or getting better but honestly i would really like cryptic to get those stuff better and try to get them back before it get worst.
still its not needed a lot of work to change those little thing i mentioned it not like creating another legacy of romulus.
imagine being able to go to memory alpha and being able to craft mk xii console purple it would be nice ... instead of tath there is a lotery drop or you can try to get one you need on the exchange for 30-40 million ec.
imagine log and play and have fun like in season 1-6 i just wich it could be possible to do tath again.
Rivera explained that the team did a lot of math to determine what the actual costs, based on odds, to obtain a purple duty officer in a duty officer pack versus how much it cost to "grind one up." He said Cryptic realized it was "way undercharging" for the grinding missions, and he believes the studio is still undercharging, but previously the costs were off "by orders of magnitude." He said that before the changes were implemented, the game risked losing duty officer sales because the cost-differential was so vast.
Even better is the part where he wants to fold the Doff system into the reputation system. Get ready to buy even more stacks of commodities and hypos.
And more slots to "insert coin"/dilithium
Btw:i bet the next thing we will see are quest lines, hidden within lockboxes.
Beta, LTA, CE, Multiple preorder Versions, all Addon Packs except AoY, nearly all KDF/Rom and ~50% of all Fedships, over 25 LockboxShips, Endurer of Atari's "Year of Hell", but...
Btw:i bet the next thing we will see are quest lines, hidden within lockboxes.
Given that they've already done that (Tal Shiar command codes), and that NW is implementing a reputation grind solely to open up missions, you're not that far off.
TBH I'm not sure why people would even buy the packs in the cstore if not to get the prizes that you can win.
They should expand what they have available. Sell for rarity, sell for active duty abilities, sell for traits. I'd like to see them have a cstore tab for doffs the same as a dil doff store tab is, you can see all the info on what you are buying.
Cost for a duty officer pack = 275 zen.
Cost for 275 zen @ 112dil/zen = 30,800 dil.
There's less than a 50-50 chance to get a purple in each pack.
This is Cryptic's math. By this math they feel that they are still under-charging for purple officers. Because of this they feel that they are losing sales of the duty officer packs.
Btw:i bet the next thing we will see are quest lines, hidden within lockboxes.
They already crossed that line with the stupid Khellid pet collection accolade.
Also, I think if their math was pure junk. I personally have never gotten purple doffs from packs. I once tried to get the purple Ferengi console builder off privateer packs. Best I pulled from those was a single blue doff.
They already crossed that line with the stupid Khellid pet collection accolade.
Also, I think if their math was pure junk. I personally have never gotten purple doffs from packs. I once tried to get the purple Ferengi console builder off privateer packs. Best I pulled from those was a single blue doff.
The RNG must REALLY hate you.
I've managed to get purples from academy recruitment.
Anyways, I think some people are underestimating Cryptic's perception of the relative value/scarcity of purples. AFAIK they're supposed to be hard to get, thus we must go to a lot of effort to obtain them. This was the issue with the compactor. It made it far too easy.
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I agree, and even halving it might be too low. Already the blue-purple is nearly the same EC profit as selling unreplicated materials, which is one of the more effective ways to turn Dil into EC. Still, I'd think half is worth looking at. Given all the dil sinks in fleets and reputation, and how frustrated people are with those, I think that it's better this be a tick lower than my own comfort level.
2. Like a previous poster said, too risky to end up with a purple Chef, botanist, etc.
3. ALL existing doffs (except sector ones) should be in the available que. That is to say, the lockbox ones, the reinforcement packs, ALL of them should have a chance to be distributed with an upgrade (albeit small)
4. A way to chose at least the sub-category of Doffs you trade up to could also be a way to make it more desirable. I would bet you MORE people would spend the 5k dil if they had *some* control over what they got, albeit limited.
Reworking it similar to how the current Suliban recruitment missions work would be far better.
I'd pay a ton of dil or ec or even zen if I could decide everything about the doff. Traits, specialization, rarity, species, etc.
The blue/purple doff prices are up because the supply is down since the Risa Summer event release due to a patch included there(stealth). If you have noticed, common refugee prices have gone down from 100k to 40k since then, while purple doff prices crept up. At this point, they can return the assignment to the original dil price and the massive blue doff to purple grinding wouldn't come back.
i feel exausthed with this game . you raised the price of evrything since season 7. and i understand you need money to keep this game running but understand me. if you take too much from us it is only getting us keeping about money and we do not enjoy the game any more.
another thing i can tell is if you remember before season 7 we had a subtranswaped assimilated drive for 1 stf. after season 4 we needed 5 data chip to get it tath meen 3 elite stf. since season 7 we need about 15 000 dilithium for getting only a mark 10.
and i dont even talk about the crafting system you need now to buy unreplicable stuff tath cost dilithium at memory alpha for only a mark xi rare.
wath i mean is we just keep thinking about how is it gonna take time or $ in real life to get it and if we want to cut it with half real money to get half time getting wath we really want in this game it is not worth it.
if you would lower the price for the doff or if we could get something not random it would be totaly be fair and we could still think about having fun in the game and not always how is it gonna cost us $$$ to get the fun! cause all i think when i play rigth now is how pwe cryptic get more money out of our pocket evry season update.
Respectfully please consider it.
sorry for my laps of english cause im french canadian.
My character Tsin'xing
how could anyone defend a point like tath?
now if we want to get something we want we need to make a figth with broker on the exchange who get pay real money to sell energy credit
Game is suppose to make fun! im working and i dont find tath making money out of people who try to have a little fun after work. this game is coming too much around paying always more and more if we want the better console or doff or gear. if we dont have those it is not fun cause we dont stand a chance in pvp cause the gear is not part of the level. once you did more than a 1000 stf and all those other mission wath do you have left to do? try to get better gear but it is impossible unless you put around 30 000 000 ec on the exchange for 1 mk xii purple console.
i would just like pwe to consider another way to get there money... cause it is like the stf before it is random drop alway for doff
if i could open a store on the reputation and pick the one i want or something like tath it would already be better. cause right now i could throw 300$ in a month and never know if i ever gonna get wath im looking for, it is pure gambling.
so please dont throw me tomatoes and think about it
Use that 1.125 mil (it will be more since it's statistically improbable that you would hit market bottom 45/45 times) as a good starting point to buy the doff of your choice from the exchange. Especially since if you play the reassign lotto you might spend 5 blues and a lot of dilithium and end up with a purple bartender.
While reassigning take note of what green doffs sell good. Sometimes greens are worth more ec than the total of the 3 whites you could turn them into. Examples include technicians and mam specialists. Keep in mind that faction has a lot to do with the pricing on these as well and that klingon doffs (green+) will generally go for more than the federation counterpart due to a lesser population and price accordingly. The new filter "only show usable items" works great for that purpose regarding doffs (terrible filter for almost everything else and I recommend you don't use it outside of doffs).
If you want purples, you can do academy recruitment incessantly. It does on very rare occasions give you purples.
Also, there are Asylum missions. Those are a relatively good way to get purples. Not guaranteed, but pretty good.
Then we have the officer exchange missions in Cardassian Space. They have a few interesting requirements, but they have a relatively high chance of giving you purples.
My character Tsin'xing
Not sure if you are talking to me or an above poster, but I enjoy the doff system more than the actual game. I spend far more time running doff missions than I do in queues and stfs.
i mean evry price as jumped high since season 7 and the retrieval of some good daily mission getting dilithium like Btran cluster va daily.
i buyed a lifetime of a game i liked and slowly becoming a game ... lot of my friend list active players dont play anymore for the same reason. i continue to play in hope it is gonna change or getting better but honestly i would really like cryptic to get those stuff better and try to get them back before it get worst.
still its not needed a lot of work to change those little thing i mentioned it not like creating another legacy of romulus.
imagine being able to go to memory alpha and being able to craft mk xii console purple it would be nice ... instead of tath there is a lotery drop or you can try to get one you need on the exchange for 30-40 million ec.
imagine log and play and have fun like in season 1-6 i just wich it could be possible to do tath again.
Source: Captains Log
What the F.
Even better is the part where he wants to fold the Doff system into the reputation system. Get ready to buy even more stacks of commodities and hypos.
Funny thing: And now they are losing duty officer sales because there is no way to store them.
And more slots to "insert coin"/dilithium
Btw:i bet the next thing we will see are quest lines, hidden within lockboxes.
Given that they've already done that (Tal Shiar command codes), and that NW is implementing a reputation grind solely to open up missions, you're not that far off.
They should expand what they have available. Sell for rarity, sell for active duty abilities, sell for traits. I'd like to see them have a cstore tab for doffs the same as a dil doff store tab is, you can see all the info on what you are buying.
Cost for a duty officer pack = 275 zen.
Cost for 275 zen @ 112dil/zen = 30,800 dil.
There's less than a 50-50 chance to get a purple in each pack.
This is Cryptic's math. By this math they feel that they are still under-charging for purple officers. Because of this they feel that they are losing sales of the duty officer packs.
They already crossed that line with the stupid Khellid pet collection accolade.
Also, I think if their math was pure junk. I personally have never gotten purple doffs from packs. I once tried to get the purple Ferengi console builder off privateer packs. Best I pulled from those was a single blue doff.
I've managed to get purples from academy recruitment.
Anyways, I think some people are underestimating Cryptic's perception of the relative value/scarcity of purples. AFAIK they're supposed to be hard to get, thus we must go to a lot of effort to obtain them. This was the issue with the compactor. It made it far too easy.
My character Tsin'xing