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rustiswordzrustiswordz Member Posts: 824 Arc User
Do you really think giving players kick options is a good idea?

Players getting booted for bringing the wrong ship. Using a console function in the wrong place. Suspected of being a noob or talking too much. Because you dont like some one or they belong to the wrong faction or fleet.

Need I go on. Cryptic has enough on their hands than dealing with a thousand disgruntled players whining they were wrongfully booted.

Players kiking players never happen.
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  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Yeah, never gonna happen. Or will it? :eek:

    I'd be more for letting people bail on terminally bad STFs or ones with AFKers w/o leaver penalty.
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    The only thing i can see happening is Cryptic doing what Microsoft does with Xbox live is, when players get in trouble , and bad ratings they get grouped with other "bad players' till there is a whole group of (insert bad word) playing with each other....but doubt they will give a kick feature.
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  • jetwtfjetwtf Member Posts: 1,207
    edited July 2013
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    The only thing i can see happening is Cryptic doing what Microsoft does with Xbox live is, when players get in trouble , and bad ratings they get grouped with other "bad players' till there is a whole group of (insert bad word) playing with each other....but doubt they will give a kick feature.

    Thats actualy a pretty good idea but can lead to abuse such as a certain fleet we all know flagging someone instead of using party poppers or fire extinguishers on them. A system like that would work for Xbox live because it spans multiple games and less chance of abuse. In an MMO any ability to flag other players that does not require a GM to take action should just flat out not be implemented.
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  • azniadeetazniadeet Member Posts: 1,871 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I don't know why people focus so much on a kick feature, when all we need is an 'escape hatch'. Allow players to vote to end the STF without a leaver penalty. That way when a team is critically messed up, they can just get together to end the whole thing with no penalty.
  • rustiswordzrustiswordz Member Posts: 824 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    azniadeet wrote: »
    I don't know why people focus so much on a kick feature, when all we need is an 'escape hatch'. Allow players to vote to end the STF without a leaver penalty. That way when a team is critically messed up, they can just get together to end the whole thing with no penalty.

    Thats the best idea yet. Allowing players to vote to end or reset a new game if the critical is missed. To make it fair once a critical is succsessful you cant vote out and you can only vote to end a match once with no penalty.
    Giving random players ban hammers is like giving a chimpanzee a minigun. Abuse and total disasterous misuse.
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  • captainednacaptainedna Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Giving random players ban hammers is like giving a chimpanzee a minigun.

    yet you and few friends can chat ban anyone for 24 hours.You can even use a chat command to chat ban that person when is offline ,so how was that chimpanzee saying again :rolleyes:
  • rathelmrathelm Member Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Its not a problem in WoW and that's a much larger game.
  • starboardnacellestarboardnacelle Member Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    jetwtf wrote: »
    Thats actualy a pretty good idea but can lead to abuse such as a certain fleet we all know flagging someone instead of using party poppers or fire extinguishers on them. A system like that would work for Xbox live because it spans multiple games and less chance of abuse. In an MMO any ability to flag other players that does not require a GM to take action should just flat out not be implemented.

    It already has been. The chat ban system operates exactly like that.
  • captainednacaptainedna Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    rathelm wrote: »
    Its not a problem in WoW and that's a much larger game.

    ever thought to check before you said that?

    all games which had or have that sheet also have threads about it where people complain.
  • rustiswordzrustiswordz Member Posts: 824 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Want to see a visual representation of the STO player base with banhammer powers.

    http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=GhxqIITtTtU&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DGhxqIITtTtU

    This demonstrates things far better than i could ever put into words.
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  • rustiswordzrustiswordz Member Posts: 824 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    yet you and few friends can chat ban anyone for 24 hours.You can even use a chat command to chat ban that person when is offline ,so how was that chimpanzee saying again :rolleyes:
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    Chat banning doesnt stop you from playing matches. Im talking banning people from matches. Very big difference. I can get by the chat bans. Little point being in this MMO if i cant actually play the games.
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  • ruminate00ruminate00 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    ever thought to check before you said that?

    all games which had or have that sheet also have threads about it where people complain.

    And the people that complain were all clueless leechers.

    Here's a recent complaint thread about the vote kick system from TOR:

    http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=655645
    ^This guy's friend did something that was the equivelent of going into elite STFs with a shuttle and got kicked for it.
  • captainednacaptainedna Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    h

    Chat banning doesnt stop you from playing matches. Im talking banning people from matches. Very big difference. I can get by the chat bans. Little point being in this MMO if i cant actually play the games.

    so chat is not important to make a team ?so everyone must be on team speak or something ,maybe I missed that ,it must be in options under BS section.
    ruminate00 wrote: »
    And the people that complain were all clueless leechers.

    Here's a recent complaint thread about the vote kick system from TOR:

    http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=655645
    ^This guy's friend did something that was the equivelent of going into elite STFs with a shuttle and got kicked for it.


    Ill take care to use that exploit against you and when you will come here to QQ Ill call you a leecher....sounds familiar?

    if something can be exploited in a game WILL be exploited.It is a well KNOWN fact.I thought most people over the age of 10 already know that .
  • rustiswordzrustiswordz Member Posts: 824 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    so chat is not important to make a team ?so everyone must be on team speak or something ,maybe I missed that ,it must be in options under BS section.

    What point are you trying to make exactly. You have noted that people can chat ban but you havent said if its a good idea to extend that to whole matches? Whats your bright idea?
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  • captainednacaptainedna Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    What point are you trying to make exactly. You have noted that people can chat ban but you havent said if its a good idea to extend that to whole matches? Whats your bright idea?

    you said is worse to get kicked from a match than get chat banned.When you will loose your voice and want to ask someone to join your team do not QQ because I will only laugh at you and remind you that chat ban is bad if not even worse than kickin players through vote.
  • ruminate00ruminate00 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Ill take care to use that exploit against you and when you will come here to QQ Ill call you a leecher....sounds familiar?

    if something can be exploited in a game WILL be exploited.It is a well KNOWN fact.I thought most people over the age of 10 already know that .

    What are you yammering on about? If something shouldn't be implemented because it can be abused, then I guess you should just kill yourself off because there isn't a single thing in the world that isn't abuseable.

    ...oh, and good luck trying pass a troll vote kick on me when you're grouped with 3 other random people.
  • rustiswordzrustiswordz Member Posts: 824 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    you said is worse to get kicked from a match than get chat banned.When you will loose your voice and want to ask someone to join your team do not QQ because I will only laugh at you and remind you that chat ban is bad if not even worse than kickin players through vote.


    Well thats your opinion. If i got match banned for 24 hours like a chat ban Ill take my custom away from sto for those 24hours cursing all the way. If i got chat banned I could pug it for a day or two.

    At least id still be able to play something.
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  • captainednacaptainedna Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    ruminate00 wrote: »
    What are you yammering on about? If something shouldn't be implemented because it can be abused, then I guess you should just kill yourself off because there isn't a single thing in the world that isn't abuseable.

    ...oh, and good luck trying pass a troll vote kick on me when you're grouped with 3 other random people.

    So I have to kill myself because you have no arguments.

    well another idiot on my ignore list.
    Well thats your opinion. If i got match banned for 24 hours like a chat ban Ill take my custom away from sto for those 24hours cursing all the way. If i got chat banned I could pug it for a day or two.

    At least id still be able to play something.



    Hello mr sociopath.I normaly like to talk with my friends.
  • ruminate00ruminate00 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    So I have to kill myself because you have no arguments.

    well another idiot on my ignore list.

    I thought my argument was clear. If english is not your strong suit, then I suggest not arguing in a language you barely understand. Here, let me rephrase it:

    My argument is that if you want to avoid any and all hypothetical potential for abuse, then the best course of action would be to kill yourself.
  • rustiswordzrustiswordz Member Posts: 824 Arc User
    edited July 2013




    Hello mr sociopath.I normaly like to talk with my friends.


    Well I have plenty of in game friends. Many of them have been chat banned for no real reaso so they would understand.
    And because you have now begun to hurl abuse at me by calling me a sociopath its clear you have lost the argument and gone down the insults route.
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  • captainednacaptainedna Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Well I have plenty of in game friends. Many of them have been chat banned for no real reaso so they would understand.
    And because you have now begun to hurl abuse at me by calling me a sociopath its clear you have lost the argument and gone down the insults route.

    you probably are still in the center of the universe and if it doesnt affect you or if you pug it means everyone plays the game the same.When you will move abit from the center of the universe you will see that some people pvp and need chat to call targets ,other play only with their fleets.Btw sociopath is not an insult ...check wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociopathy ...you keep saying you dont need to communicate with other people to play a multiplayer game and probably think others in your team are bots.
  • jetwtfjetwtf Member Posts: 1,207
    edited July 2013
    The chat ban is a perfect example as to why allowing players the ability to kick other players should not be added. It is exploited. The chat ban should be removed because of that reason. communication is essential to an MMO and players having the power to disable that just because they think it is funny should result in those players meeting a GM's ban hammer. The only player a player should be able to have any affect on outside normal play is themselves. chat bans and vote kicks are outside normal play.
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  • rustiswordzrustiswordz Member Posts: 824 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    you probably are still in the center of the universe and if it doesnt affect you or if you pug it means everyone plays the game the same.When you will move abit from the center of the universe you will see that some people pvp and need chat to call targets ,other play only with their fleets.Btw sociopath is not an insult ...check wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociopathy ...you keep saying you dont need to communicate with other people to play a multiplayer game and probably think others in your team are bots.

    I have no interest at all to be baited into any further discussions with you at all. The conversation between us has ended. I bid you good day. To you it may not be an insult but to me it is.

    I shall repeat. Not interested in anything you have to say from now on.
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  • ltsemperltsemper Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I am a founder of a fleet for about a year. Today I log on after being offline for about a week and suddenly I have dropped from the top level and a level down and 5 other people have control of my fleet. What is up with that?!
  • rustiswordzrustiswordz Member Posts: 824 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Sounfs like you had your fleet options and settings all wrong and you allowed yourself to be overthrown. I dont have a solution other than redoing a new fleet and making damn sure no one can promote yourself to your level. You are the boss you and only you should have max powers and the top level. Everyone else should be limited to level below you.
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  • solidneutroniumsolidneutronium Member Posts: 510 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    If you want to see what a Cryptic kick mechanism looks like check out Neverwinter which has a kick function. Solely in the hands of the randomly picked team leader in pugs. Muahahahaha. Be careful what you wish for.
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  • krenzikkrenzik Member Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I'm not in favor of changing the current system in STF's/PvE queue missions. I've noticed that people in this thread who want a player vote kick system in this game cite SWTOR and their current setup as a positive. It's not the great idea they make it out to be if you read the entire forum thread another poster in this discussion linked. Note the petulance and smug geek megalomania throughout. SWTOR is a game that has been catering to socially crippled emotional milk babies since it's inception. It shows in the game's kick system, the mechanics of pve mission/story play and in the lack of security in pvp. This is not a game STO wants to emulate in any way.

    I've had my share of jerks in stf's minetraps, etc. I'm not talking about people who don't know what they're doing or perhaps undergeared. Unless an STF ends up being unwinnable due to these factors, I'll trudge through and maybe comment on the lack of dps or knowledge of mission and leave it at that unless someone wants to flame me over it. That's no big deal, but that's something SWTOR-kick system advocates in this game want a Johnny Leetpro kick button.

    I've put up with jerks in Mine Traps, STF's etc. that go out of their way to make sure ppl can't complete the mission. Yeah, I can't kick them, but I'll report them and move on after making that person know what I think of them.

    So, you a milkbaby or a grownup who likes to play games?
  • ruminate00ruminate00 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    krenzik wrote: »
    I'm not in favor of changing the current system in STF's/PvE queue missions. I've noticed that people in this thread who want a player vote kick system in this game cite SWTOR and their current setup as a positive. It's not the great idea they make it out to be if you read the entire forum thread another poster in this discussion linked. Note the petulance and smug geek megalomania throughout. SWTOR is a game that has been catering to socially crippled emotional milk babies since it's inception. It shows in the game's kick system, the mechanics of pve mission/story play and in the lack of security in pvp. This is not a game STO wants to emulate in any way.

    I've had my share of jerks in stf's minetraps, etc. I'm not talking about people who don't know what they're doing or perhaps undergeared. Unless an STF ends up being unwinnable due to these factors, I'll trudge through and maybe comment on the lack of dps or knowledge of mission and leave it at that unless someone wants to flame me over it. That's no big deal, but that's something SWTOR-kick system advocates in this game want a Johnny Leetpro kick button.

    I've put up with jerks in Mine Traps, STF's etc. that go out of their way to make sure ppl can't complete the mission. Yeah, I can't kick them, but I'll report them and move on after making that person know what I think of them.

    So, you a milkbaby or a grownup who likes to play games?

    So you prop the way you play the game as holier-than-thou while painting them as "smug geeks", "johnny leetpro", and "milkbaby".

    Its funny that you mention megalomania...

    Regardless, you're misunderstanding something important. I never referenced TOR as a positive. I referenced TOR as to what kind of complaint threads would emerge with TOR's version of a vote kick system. (TOR's system only needs 1 other person to pass the vote)
  • krenzikkrenzik Member Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    ruminate00 wrote: »
    So you prop the way you play the game as holier-than-thou while painting them as "smug geeks", "johnny leetpro", and "milkbaby".

    Its funny that you mention megalomania...

    I'm calling it like I see it, and those who want the ability to kick anyone at any time for any reason generally fall into that category. The thread you cited at the SWTOR website proves it.
    Regardless, you're misunderstanding something important. I never referenced TOR as a positive. I referenced TOR as to what kind of complaint threads would emerge with TOR's version of a vote kick system. (TOR's system only needs 1 other person to pass the vote)

    I didn't apply a value judgement to you linking the kick thread in your post. But those in that thread who want even more power to kick other players just want a license to bully others and have a mechanic to feel arbitrarily superior to others.

    It's sad that some people think my "give 'em hell and move on" approach to encountering undergeared/ inept players or those who grief instances as some form of "megalomania."

    I may not want a bullying mechanic built into this game, but that doesn't mean jerks should just get a nod and a smile every time.
  • ruminate00ruminate00 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    krenzik wrote: »
    I didn't apply a value judgement to you linking the kick thread in your post. But those in that thread who want even more power to kick other players just want a license to bully others and have a mechanic to feel arbitrarily superior to others.

    It's sad that some people think my "give 'em hell and move on" approach to encountering undergeared/ inept players or those who grief instances as some form of "megalomania."

    I may not want a bullying mechanic built into this game, but that doesn't mean jerks should just get a nod and a smile every time.

    I'm not saying you applied a value judgment. I'm saying you're putting words into my mouth:
    I've noticed that people in this thread who want a player vote kick system in this game cite SWTOR and their current setup as a positive.

    Again, I never referenced TOR as a positive. I referenced TOR as to what kind of complaint threads would emerge with TOR's version of a vote kick system. Cryptic can never stop people from complaining. The only thing they can do is make changes that will give them the kind of complaints they want to hear.

    And the posters in that TOR thread do "give 'em hell and move on"... by kicking them.
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