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Why KDF So "Klingon Based" While FEDs and ROMs Are Open To All Alein Views?
blagorm
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http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=739251&page=4
Go to this Fourm. It mostly states what I mean. You dont have to read whole fourm, but this Page LARGELY Shows how much the KDF is locked to be Klingon, taking out all Gorn, Orion, Naussican, Fersan, and Lethean Values of THIER belife/occupations in the Empire. Like Gorn Rebellion... etc etc.
P.S. Since FEDs get Special Combadged For Races, Also Intwined With them being Alien Open, Can WE, KDF, Get Special Combadges For Gorn, Orions, ec etc as well as Costumes? CAuse we ALL KNOW all Klignons dont jsut wear spikes a targ hide! :mad:
Go to this Fourm. It mostly states what I mean. You dont have to read whole fourm, but this Page LARGELY Shows how much the KDF is locked to be Klingon, taking out all Gorn, Orion, Naussican, Fersan, and Lethean Values of THIER belife/occupations in the Empire. Like Gorn Rebellion... etc etc.
P.S. Since FEDs get Special Combadged For Races, Also Intwined With them being Alien Open, Can WE, KDF, Get Special Combadges For Gorn, Orions, ec etc as well as Costumes? CAuse we ALL KNOW all Klignons dont jsut wear spikes a targ hide! :mad:
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As for Romulans, we really haven't seen that they are all that open. Other than the token inclusion of Aliens for players to create, the RR is pretty exclusively Romulans and a few Remans.
This is a good thing, too. Turning the Klingons into a true Red Federation that openly accepts all aliens and respects their values equally would be stupid. It's already dangerously close to that as it is.
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There are no special combadges. There were screenshots once but they never made it into the game.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
Drink the bloodwine, say "Qapla'!" a lot, kiss up to J'mpok and bide your time...
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon
Yep, right there.
The Federation storyline/mission stuff is less 'open to alien races' than it is 'deliberately bland and non-specific about everything'.
It's always amusing when my Vulcan visits Vulcan and asks the sort of basic questions that should have the other Vulcans looking at him like he's a particularly stupid child. "OMG! We have monasteries?!? NO WAI!" :P
what are you talking about race combages? the only race with its own combadge is the Bajorans have there own do to the a set that came out that had a bajoran uniform and weapons and the belfast ship inside. but to date have not seen one any race combadges in game. but i do know atone time they talked about each race having them. but that seams to fall to the side of the space lanes.
Now what maybe more realistic would be a mission where you say become an honorary guard for King Slathis, or defend the Gornar from an attack by the Iconians or something, or visit a temple of the egg bringer that might be realistic.
Also more flavourful duty officer missions based on race, like a Gorn Ambassador could give duty officer missions heavily based on the Gorn Culture, Politics, Military, territory and so on, same with Leathean, Orion, Ferasan, Nausicaan, even Trill Ambassadors, doff assignments that only doffs of the right race can do.
Just a starting point mind you.
jegh'pu'wI do not have equal standing with Klingons in the Empire. They aren't mistreated, but they don't have the same status. Klingons hold the political power and dominate the military. The jegh'pu'wI are 'conquered peoples'.
You have to remember: The Klingon Empire doesn't follow the concept of democracy or multiculturalism. jegh'pu'wI are presumably allowed to retain their own culture to a certain extent, but it's not allowed to spread. The Klingon Empire is not the Federation, and it really shouldn't be.
Where do you get that the Federation or the Republic are wellcoming to alien views??
The content of every faction in STO currently revolves around one axis - In the case of the KDF it's the Klingon species. In the case of the Federation it's neutral and that creates some ridiculous situations where NPCs discuss emotions to my Vulcan captain. Not very open to Vulcan views it seems. It's the same with the new Romulan Republic - it is heavily Romulan based and in many instances it seems weird for a Reman. (although efforts have been made to be more Reman accomodating in certain scenarios, like with Obisek)
This is not an issue that is exclusive to the KDF - it's a gameplay mechanic and development decision that affects every faction.
To be honest, the Klingon side should have been restricted to Klingon, and hybrid, just like the Romulan side should have been restricted to Romulan, Reman and hybrid. Maybe add the Joined trill, but that's all. Then make a special "mercenary" group, made of Aliens, Letheans, Orions... with different dialogues, and tutorial.
A wider KDF racial costume choices for the non- klingon would be cool.
As would a long coat and monk robes option.
I actually wish the Devs would start broadening the Gorn, Orion, leathen, etc races precense on the game.
Still one must remember that the Empire expects service and loyalty from its residents. As such as ranking officers in the KDF operating off the klingon home world we are blinded yo the diversity of the new Empire.
It would be cool to have a Gorn homeworld social zone with a Uprising/Rebellion series of missions on it.
How about an Orion conspiracy series of missions?
The doors are wide open for all sort of tangent story ideas.
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- not all minor races were "conquered". There was no real war against Nausicaans, Orions or Lethean.
- The military and fleets of the minor races were pretty much absorbed. All those Gorn ships flying under kdf insignia are still manned primarily by Gorn. And the Nausicaan pirates are exactly the same they were before.
- The empire had a vast expansion of territory and now Klingons are not a majority of the population anymore. Most Klingon Empire subjects don't share Klingon tradition and beliefs. The gouvernment might still be klingon, but most problems and conflicts inside the empire simply don't have Klingon participants
- The recent expansion is bigger than ever before. And it was fast. How tight is the Grip of the Klingons anyway ? Do they have the power not only to hold all of it together but in addition annoy all those new citizens by ignoring their culture or religion ? Maybe they need some cooperation ?
- The Klingon civilization is in essence feudal. Feudalism works very well with incorporating different cultural groups. It pretty much never was about establishing homogenious ideals.
So, yes, i could see a lot of other cultural referrences in Klingon stories missions or npcs. Unfortunately that would be a lot of work, as canon cultural referrences for all those non Klingons are pretty sparse. You would have to design the culture first.
But if you want to continue to agitate for one of the KDF races to get more attention, be advised that there are more players with Orions than all other KDF races combined. Who do you think will get the attention? The true rulers of the "Klingon" Empire, of course: the Orions.
That "fact" is based on the assumption that the Klingons are as stupid as...Archer...you know..this guy:
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/1576/3b8.png
:rolleyes:
Well... I'll challenge that
Have you ever tried to make your income tax on something that's smaller than a gameboy?
Now imange the extended version with Ferengi finance gibberish thrown in...and you have about a fraction of what Quark just put the High Council through...for an unknown period of time.
Besides...Gowron actually UNDESTOOD what was going on and managed to compress the entire matter into a single sentence.:)
He was frustrated...but not confused.;)
Males of any species get pretty stupid when all the blood rushes to their ... um ... yeah, you know where.
Cant speak to pigs but judging from the doom and gloom, "the Devs hate us" and the other "we are dead" posts I keep seing on the forums, someone wants us KDF fans to believe we are full of quitters and weak willed players.
Its sad to see such blind hate in a time of new growth.
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While you managed to point out the obvious...that's not quite the issue here.:)
The Orions manage to achieve this effect due to special pheromones that make them nearly irresistable to males and cause headaches in females as a "keep away, bit...I mean...competition" affect. What I meant was that thay8472's assumption that Klingons are now controlled by the Orion hinges on the idea that they were oblivious to this fact.
We learn from the Federation "Past Imperfect" story that Klingons were smart enough to stay out of the Temporal Cold War for example...so they've proven they're more keen observers than others tend to give them credit for.;)
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^ PS: The Gorn to you, you may think "YAH RIGHT" but you don't think of the coup d'eat that happened in the Goverment? YES! Slathis is a ruler in a coup d'eat! He took his father's place after he died. Infact, from another post, the Gorn were diplomatic with the Federation, until the Black Crest, a Gorn group that lead to the rules of Slathis and Xrathis, did not want Diplomancy, and after taking over attacked Cestus III... So TRUE GORN HONOR is Above this explaination!
Who is thay8472? It was I who drew the conclusion (not made the "assumption"), based on the premises, via the rules of inference.
Sure, Klingons may be observant. It doesn't mean that they have developed some way to immunize themselves from the pheromones. Further, somehow the information provided to Archer & Co. must have been lost, suppressed, or forgotten before the TOS era, or surely even Federation personnel would have taken precautions in that time period.
darnit, sorry, I somehow got stuck on the wrong page.:o
Given we never see Federation personnell so enthralled by them they're willing to kill somone else, like the poor dude in "Bound"...I think they actually DO take precautions.;)
Humans had little experience with the Orions up to that point. So, his actions can be excused.
Excluding the Gorn, whose "rulers" at home are a puppet government within a formerly legitimate state, incorporation of criminals, scum, and mercenary lowlifes into the Empire was both a stroke of political genius and potential trouble. From my Federation/Republic player point-of-view, the Klingon Chancellery and High Council is playing an especially dangerous game dealing with the Syndicate. The Empire should have taken the opportunity to deal a major blow against them, possibly smashing them for good.
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