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aldo1raine
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Is this working as intended? Please advise.
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People can exploit it by keeping their pets close and watching the distance the pets show for the cloaked target - allowing them to utilize various decloaking abilities. It's pretty annoying...meh.
That is a problem that was supposed to have been fixed a few patches back. NPCs how ever still chase you in cloak.. But if they are doing it again, it probably means the patch came off the fix. :rolleyes:
Think about this:
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I hadn't really been PvPing in forever because of all the issues with LoR that are still floating around, but I had to go to Ker'rat to help pop some Scims - and yep, pets were still targeting me (not firing at me or anything, just targeting me and showing my distance (not direction)) while cloaked. I ended up spending most of my time just flying around popping pets out of annoyance.
It was never "fixed". Pets and NPCs in general will maintain target lock until they get a higher priority target even if you're cloaked. It's been like this at least since fed pets came out.
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Now that it effects most Feds :P. Thanks welcome change eitherway.
Also, if as a player is you're being constantly being followed by spam, drop your own. They'll usually become the higher priority so long as you don't shoot anything and maintain your cloak (this is easier w/EBC).
If normal BC or non-Rom, drop your spam before you cloak and stop shooting stuff.
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Thank you. It is appreciated.
If someone wants to detect cloaked ships, there are plenty of ways to do it already which fit canon.
That's appreciated...definitely.
Is this also related to how npcs on the ground can right through cloaked once agroed?
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OMG I CANT CLOAK KILL EVERYTHING TO DEATH..... STUPID SKIMITAR!
DARN YOU CARRIERS!!!!
Careful, your bias is showing...
If you mean TBRs, they're AoE they don't target anything. They just hit a limited number of things w/in that area for balance reasons. They don't force a decloak. In otherwords they're fine.
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The first fix of any kind to repulsor beam needs to be an IQ check to see if the player who wants to use it is gonna be smart enough to not push targets out of grav wells, other peoples tractor beams, or away from any other sound strategy for the sake of saying "Look, I just pushed these guys 10 kilometers".
I don't have a scim
Whiny player (not talking about you aldo, just making a joke): Then the Federation needs a full carrier with 5 Cmdr universal slots, 4 hangars, and can launch Nebula pets which can de-cloak any ship no matter where it is and keep them from being cloaked, because cloak is so OP and I don't wanna have to actually try and counter cloaking normally! :P
They visually target cloaked ships (allowing players to detect your presence and location) and I believe can do damage to ships under cloak, which is ridiculous considering that they are just "reversed" tractor beams and should not be able to target anything that their sensors cannot detect.
Cryptic has done a reasonably good job keeping abilities conforming to canon, but repulsors are an egregious exception. Nothing undetected under cloak should be detected or damaged by them. They should work like they did on the show. They should be "reversed" tractor beams that can only "repulse" things which the ship itself can detect, not an exploitative way for players to detect and affect cloaked vessels.
But punch beams are the funnest cloak detection.
They do strike cloaked vessels, yes. It's been a while, but I believe they hit three things, probably the closest. If one of those is a cloaked vessel, it's eating punch beams. Evasive+TBR to kill a battlecloaker is much more awesome than sensor scan+whatever, and... isn't usually as good--pug teammates aren't going to see the cloaked guy. And if the run fails, you've just helped them escape. I don't see it as fundamentally different from photonic shockwave and similiar abilities.
It gets very frustrating trying to deal with the epic amounts of spam people dump out in PvP.
The tractor beam mines are the only ones that I think should be nerfed. I can see normal mines exploding via some general "proximity sensor" but the tractor beam mines need to actually be able to detect and lock-on your exact location, and it makes very little sense canon-wise that they could carry such sophisticated sensors.
As for torpedoes, they are already locked onto you before you cloak and (based on the show) should be moving too fast to outmaneuver, even if you cloak, so I think it is fair that the destructible ones follow you for a while.
Well can we fix IQ of GW spammers to understand purpose is to kill stuff and GW by itself does little damage. Each skill has purposes. TBR is great for keeping a tgt in front of a player while he pew pews away. No need to loop around or slow down, etc. It effectively keeps guns on tgt much better for a player. (slowing down in an escort is bad, very bad) I get the whole GW and aoe thing but not everyone is on the same page. Perhaps I should be mad at you for GWing my intended tbr tgt
Yes TBR will point at a cloaked ship, but I fairly certain it doesnt damage them. Like stated above its a waste of one of the tbr beam/pulses. But I agree it shouldn't even be tgting cloaked ships. I also like that feds are agreeing that its silly how much reveals cloakers post LoR release. KDF tried to tell you guys its not what its cracked up to be. It'll be even more funny if Cryptic can fix all these oops I revealed a cloaker bugs within months of LoR and not years after KDF. Would just go to show . . .
Indeed. Every time someone complains about the battlecloak, there's a horde of KDF players detailing just how many vulnerabilities cloaks have in general. The big, noticeable difference between cloak and battlecloak is the 'cloaking while Red Alert is up', and that's a situational advantage. The battlecloak has a few other advantages over the regular cloak: When cloaked, you get a small turnrate and flight speed boost, and you get double the defense value boost (50% as opposed to 25%). Even that defense value boost isn't worth a ton, because decloaking under fire while flying a BoP is usually suicide anyways. You have to pop BFI and some other big hull resist buff to have a chance.
So, the battlecloak's advantages are situational. They allow BoPs and other battlecloaking ships to 'hit-and-run', and to ambush more regularly. It's an edge, but not as OP of an edge as some players tend to claim. It can be defeated, and there are ways to repel a decloak alphastrike.
Even though it has been badly nerfed, gravity well is still one of the best science skills in the game. It does a great job of crushing spam and slowing down ships, which can drastically lower their defense value. It also sets you up from things like SS which will often hit several ships and many pets if they are stuck in a gravity well, plus if you have sharp teammates, you can hit a ship with two or three GWs at once and then focus fire.
I cannot remember how many times that a ship is stuck in a GW or other localized effect or fire line and a TBR spammer comes along and pushes them away, sometimes out of weapons range. Cryptic probably needs to scrap TBR altogether and redesign it from the ground up, especially since dictates of the laws of physics and canon show that tractor/repulsor beams work very differently than how they were designed in game. If an escort locks a tractor/repulsor beam on a cruiser, it should be the cruiser, not the escort, that is doing most of the pushing/pulling because it has more inertia.