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wayotwolf
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Does anyone know if there is a poker minigame in the upcoming STO plans? I know there is Dabo but I'd really find poker to be more fun. I see a lot of potential for a poker minigame to grow in STO especially when designed with different modes (casual and tournament structure). This would also be an excellent minigame to play with friends inside your ship interior.
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There needs to be. In fact, it should be playable with your Boffs in your ten-forward, or with friends in your ten-forward. There is a certain snarky Vulcan first officer on my crew I'd like to school in Hold em. Lol.
FYI - I would pay 550 zen to have both in my 10 forward.
Me playing UT2k4 (red guy) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz0DnP7wXnU
Dabo probably only managed to get in because a. its not a RL game named in any countries laws/licensing and B. its played for a currency that basically has no transferable value.
adding something like Poker to an MMO is potentially fraught with a great many legal pitfalls that would be highly expensive even to just have looked in an exploratory way by suitably qualified lawyers.
for example it was labelled as online "gaming/gambling" under US law its illegal at federal level and even in counties that do allow online gambling there are strict age limits, licensing agreement/restrictions and usually some for of taxation.
and yes a game like poker in an MMO that makes use of any in game currency that can be readily converted somehow into a monetary value (which ofc is open to interpretation) is considered as much "online gambling" as one of the big online casino companies.
3D chess?! I didn't even think about that. That would be amazing in addition to poker.
STO can spin poker in a way that its similar but not exactly. Both poker and dabo can share similar characteristics in regards to legality.
Then add a competition game currency like chips that can only be exchanged for random prizes. Like a tophat with poker cards in it, or a card pouch, etc. I see what you mean, but if you just won useless chips that are only good for cosmetic value, everyone would have fun and no illegal gambling would be present.
I see what you did there.
/signed for Poker, Chess, Blackjack, Fizbin, Tongo, Tsunkatse, Darts, Racketball, Anbo-jitsu, Dom-jot, basically any game from the series that seemed remotely interesting and luckily since the rules for these games weren't explained in depth, Cryptic could just do whatever with them.
i mean even without going into technical legalities put your personal wants to one side just for a moment and consider how some political groups are likely to react to something they might well see as "introducing gambling to children" because in most of the world even legal gambling (and things like competitions) have strict societally accepted ethically/morally justified age limits and MMOs...don't.
such tangles are not something companies like Cryptic or PWL want to get into.
at all.
and yes i fully understand the lockboxes are a punchline in that respect but the general population (and their politicians) don't know what a lockbox is unlike poker or blackjack.
you're basically talking about something potentially massively problematic being endured by a company for the sake of, let's be honest, little more than in game fluff.
on a conciliatory note however i can see no problems with asking for some of the other more sport like Trek lore games that don't involve gambling to be added to the game.
quite surprising, now that i think about it, that (afaik) we've never even seen a 3D chess board as a prop...
and darts at Quarks is a glaring omission (and it would seem a relatively simple minigame to make).
* running or patronising "a casino" in WoW for example (which used the /roll function within that game) was against the EU TOS right from the beginning and afaik is now an account actionable offence on both sides of the Atlantic and that wasn't even in a game where any form of in game wealth can be somewhat legitimacy aligned with rl money unlike a "f2P" game with a store currency and multiple legitimate ways to convert one in game currency into another.
Don't forget that there are entire games out there that are dedicated poker and are perfectly legal. One of the more popular ones these days is Poker Night 2 (on steam). Poker just needs to avoid being tied to real money. If necessary, a modified version of it can be implemented similar to Dabo / Roulette.
My worry though, is if we got these two games, too many people would start expecting / demanding more. I wouldn't want STO to turn into an iPhone or Miniclip (etc). Games would need to be limited, and only the real popular ones should be allowed (such as Poker and Chess).
Most of this post is pure b/s. Poker with no real life currency involved is harmless.
Not it's not. I don't hold a law degree, but even I could tell you how it would be considered gambling with real currency. Just because the transactions are a few steps removed from 'direct' doesn't make a difference. I don't have the energy or inclination to explain/type further if you can't figure it out.
Here, allow me to help you.
They have lockboxes in this game with hidden winning percentages. While these lockboxes guarantee a prize of some kind, they do not guarantee the prize you want (exactly like a minimum-payout slot machine). Players can spend hundreds in pursuit of something they may never receive.
Would you consider that to be gambling?
O.k!..now that would be great,ever since i saw Captain Picard playing 3D chess,
I wanted to play it in STO.
"I see your Poker mini game and raise you a 3D chess mini game!":)
"This is Admiral BumBleBush!..Captain of the U.S.S. Prometheus!..I order you to lower your shields and weapons or ill be forced to fire upon you!!!"
"This is Fleet Commander BumBle!..
Vice Admiral of the U.S.S. Prometheus!..
I order you to lower your shields and weapons or ill be forced to fire upon you!!!"
Data's visor.
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon
You "can make or lose money" while doing the DOFF system. What's the difference?
Whats wrong with gambling if its just EC and latinum? It's not real gambling if it doesn't use RL money, or currency purchased with RL money like Zen. Gambling with EC and latinum isn't nearly as bad as gambling by opening lockboxes either, now that gets closer to real gambling.
I would absolutely hammer those games. I'd much prefer to play those types of games rather than collect x of this and that quests. 3D chess will be a lot of fun too.
Queue for a match or tournament and u chose the amount of chips each player starts with. No EC or Latium need be involved.
Perhaps trophies and accolades could be rewarded.
I can see it so clearly now, minigame reputation.
Could even add a Queue.
Theres an MMO made by Disney, Pirates of the Caribbean online. They had poker using MASSIVE ammounts of ingame currency. (You can win up to the gold cap worth of money there) and they have no legal issues.
So Poker for EC shouldn't be too bad. And then Poker chip Poker. Would be a fun non-profit way of doing it. You can buy 10000 Poker Chips for 10000 EC. ONLY if you have under 100 Poker Chips. And then rewards at High number of chips that are cosmetic, WITH NO WAY OF TRANSFERING BACK.
Good ideas. Rewarding expertise/xp shouldn't hurt too.
I suggested once only slightly tongue-in-cheek that a Wadi faction be added to accomplish this. A reputation would certainly go over better than a full-blown faction.
Since Dabo is basically space roulette, I think you could do something with poker to make it not-poker, but still poker. Maybe call it Tongo since as far as I can remember we never really saw good rules on how to play it.
Well, we do know it included a wheel as well as cards.
Since it has stuff like "total monopoly" it might work best as a "space game of life", which also has a wheel at its center. It's based on chance and rewards taking risks.
It could be adapted to focus on...economic power.
Instead of going from college to retirement you go from...whatever the Frengi call college to either the "Divine Treasury" of the "Vault of Eternal Destitution".