Wow.
Once in a while someone posts something that just...wow.
There were so many eyes rolling at once that the Earth's axis shifted.
The KDF got levels 1-20 and 2 low tier ships to match, just so players can ONLY NOW choose them as their starting Faction...big woof.
Meanwhile, Fed players are still enjoying the new car smell from the 3 Vesta and 3 Andorian ships they got within the last YEAR was it?
So, I think we should all bombard Cryptic with emails to give something to the Fed players for being left out of the LoR bonanza.
NO to ARC RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
The newest KDF ship is the Khamarag.. the tier 1 and 2 KDF ships have been there all along, but when the switched the KDF starting level to 20 they got left in the closet.. you could still get them in the ship yard strangly nuff..
Theres a lot of unadressed bug with the KDF.. if the population number for the faction grow Cryptic will likely do something about them. Untill then.. we're stuck with a lot of minor but none the less annoying bugs.
I have been a KDF lurker for some time now. I was fed and now Romulan.
The Romulan faction brought a lot of content to the game for all sides but also made Fed a little worthless to play and KDF even more worthless. I flew an escort in the fed side but quickly changed to romulan, as why would I fly an escort in FED anymore, when I can fly a comparable escort with singularity powers and a battle cloak? Other than looking like a deranged space elf, mechanics wise, I don't see why you would roll anything else. You even get access to some KDF or FED ships, DOFFS, BOFFS, their stations, and things that KDF and FED do not.
Having never played a KDF, here is why I probably wont do so until something gives:
- Their(KDF) rants are valid, yet on the sheer amount of threads I have read about the issues trying to decide whether to play one or not, I have not seen ONE Dev reply to any of them or their concerns. That is sad.
-They(KDF) have the best modules, but if I fly KDF I have to pay for all of them in the Cstore for real life money (unless you grind dil, that would take forever). In my old fed ship (now retired due to Romulan dominance as with FED alliance I have access to the same modules) I have subspace jump, isometric discharge, theta radiation, and bio-neural warhead all on the same ship, it cost me roughly 3.7 million ECs to get all those modules, in comparison I would have to pay $55.00 USD and buy the Qorgh, CH'tong, Scourge destroyer, and Vor' Kang. In retrospect if I did roll a Klingon the only FED console I would be remotely interested in is the point defense module. The KDF even lost their plasmonic leech, while admittedly pretty useless unless in pvp, it was a pride thing and added to the unbalanced toy give away above.
- They(the KDF) although loyal, have little to no player base because of the above issues and many many many more listed by their community. As a fed I'll be browsing DOFF's on the exchange and see many of their doffs on the market. Their doffs go from anywhere from really cheap compared to FED side ones, to hugely expensive and there is a direct correlation between this and the lack of player base for that faction and thus doffs available on the exchange.
In summary the KDF need to have their bugs addressed and they also need an edge to get other players to want to use them to gain that edge. This is why you will see more and more players flocking to the Romulan side and its not just because they are new, it is because they are better in every way and what they are not better at, they usually gain from alliance with either of the other two factions.
People go with what is hot, what is slightly overpowered, and what is cool. The new floaters on the summer event is one example of all the rage and they want them permanent. Now if, while everyone else was getting wasted and picking sand out of their crack, the KDF were secretly plotting to steal this technology...
This might be an extreme example to give floaters to the KDF and a bit tongue in cheek to prove a point, but you can be darn sure it would work, and people of all factions would FLOCK to the KDF, even if only temporary. The point is people want the best, the most advantageous, or the coolest stuff and the KDF has none of that, that can not be acquired for pennies on the dollar from the exchange. So far the only thing cool about being KDF is that you play KDF because it is horrible and you play it anyway. This might be enough to keep a stubborn Klingon playing his/her broken faction and being proud despite it, but it is not enough to bring players to their dying community.
With all the unanswered concerns by the KDF community who pay for their toys with real life Cstore money and arguably spend more Zen than any other faction because of it, I would think they would have a stronger voice. I am almost tempted to state that Cryptic is saving a KDF revamp for a rainy day when they are losing players to other games in the future.
"Come back to STO, we have fixed the Klingon race!! They now get access to X,Y,Z, and also many new features and bug fixes, there is no better time to come back to STO and experience what the new revamped KDF has to offer..."
Most issues with KDF at this point are minor and I've been primarily a KDF player since day 1. However, if there was one thing I would change with STO, it would be doff faction. Doffs having faction actually punishes the KDF and Rommies that align with the KDF.
How? Because the player base is much smaller.
Why would this matter? It matters because there are less doffs available for trade.
This means that a fed doff on the exchange that sells for 5000000ec because there are 60 of them, it's kdf counterpart sells at 5x the price because there are three.
Basically, having factions tied to doffs punishes the KDF player base.
I'd remove those factions entirely.
You know Cryptic has Jumped the Proverbial Shark when they introduced Tractor Pulling to Star Trek Online!
The only thing that will improve kdf faster than is currently projected is more people playing it. That will create a demand for more zen purchases and such. Now what would happen if they made a kdf zen store sale people might see a shiny that was reduced and make a toon to get it. Once they are invested I think they would like it. Dilithium is easier to get hands on, the ships can be a lot of fun and provide more variety.
Ulitmately the starbases as a whole are greatly lagging behind, this is primarily to fewer kdf players. Fewer doffs for sale, fewer fleet marks earned and so son. If the kdf fleets cannot get starbases up soon enough I think it will apply pressure to many players to stay fed and wait till their kdf alt fleet grinds out the holdings.
This and the small fleet issues would have been solved if starbase holdings were much much cheaper and the provisions cost the resources, then the starbase would be scaled to fleet size nicely. sure the bigs would get the starbase instaquick, but then they can grind their provisions till they are blue. Also have the provisions costs increase at a greater rate for each tier, that way they are gated by planning ahead for provisions.
Not rocket surgery, but the starbases and ships are, in my mind the greater inhibition, because most the endgame content seems to be stable that I have found.
PvE Jem'Hadar motto:Participation Ribbonsare life.
Most issues with KDF at this point are minor and I've been primarily a KDF player since day 1. However, if there was one thing I would change with STO, it would be doff faction. Doffs having faction actually punishes the KDF and Rommies that align with the KDF.
How? Because the player base is much smaller.
Why would this matter? It matters because there are less doffs available for trade.
This means that a fed doff on the exchange that sells for 5000000ec because there are 60 of them, it's kdf counterpart sells at 5x the price because there are three.
Basically, having factions tied to doffs punishes the KDF player base.
I'd remove those factions entirely.
You know there should be a daily quota of new officers (basically how many recruits are coming up from the academies) that the entire community can draw upon. Everyone puts in for doffs and they get a share of the doffs alotted.
This means that the doff recruiter has 10,000 (made up number) doffs to assign today, people put in their requisition and everyone that puts in gets an equal number of the share. KDF having fewer players gets mroe doffs per captain than fed which equalizes the disparity.
This is an odd idea and one that I am not sure how implementable. But I dont want to just gripe be suggest new ideas that can maybe spawn someone else that is brighter to made a good suggestion.
PvE Jem'Hadar motto:Participation Ribbonsare life.
I'm looking forward to global rep where the Klingons can draw attention and resources to things they want by completing these projects. So like the KDF has complained about not enough science ships, so a really good science ship could be a project, and filling it would prove to cryptic its worth doing. I really hope they have that running by season nine or sooner.
The KDF still has issues. All the factions have issues.
We KDF are currently in a far better place than when we first appeared in STO and the future looks bright for us if we continue to let our concerns be made known.
To think the KDF is unplayable though is silly. We are in the best shape for play now than wr ever where and can only get better.
The KDF still has issues. All the factions have issues.
We KDF are currently in a far better place than when we first appeared in STO and the future looks bright for us if we continue to let our concerns be made known.
To think the KDF is unplayable though is silly. We are in the best shape for play now than wr ever where and can only get better.
I have to echo Roaches sentiment. The Devs have been busting their chops and the KDF future is looking great.
I personally am looking forward to my Negh'Var retrofit and the introduction of the iconic K'Vort at some point soon I hope.
Everybody seems to forget the plasmonic leech console that LoR made it available to federation and if before the best raptor in game was fed now that raptor became better while kdf raptor's have still the same stats as before LoR with no 5 tac console,no 5 fore weapon's slot.It is just logical that kdf ships are not money bringers
The scimitar on the other hand is much better that bortasq so again who will buy a bortas instead a scimitar ?
For me Kdf ships look like they were made inferior to other faction's ships.
"There already is a Borg faction, its called the Federation. They assimilate everyone else's technology and remove any biological or technical distinctiveness and add it to their own."
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
There are a bunch of little things that can be done. With the summer event KDF and aligned ROM's got access to off duty and formal costumage.. Now all of the costmage needs a good once over to fix some OLD clipping issues, and doing something about the color palettes. Klingons seriously could use more costume options (even if they are cash store) Running a SALE on the current KDF items on the C-store (and promoting it!) say 20% to as much as 50% off and run it for the next 3 months) would do several things.
1. Encourage KDF numbers...
2. Generate revenue on c-store items that have historicly not sold well.. (imho due to the aformentioned LACK of KDF players)
While I realize that there are voices that say why should this be done. it's very simple. If Cryptic hasn't made "sufficient" revenue off of KDF c-store items, it they are NOT selling, then you do what you do in any RETAIL business does.. you drop prices and get customers in the store and buying. These are all virtual goods.. they only have to be made ONCE... after that the replicator (*grin*) does the rest. The reality of virtual items in MMO's is the cost of creating them is a write off in all practicality. There is no cost to make more of the same item, not stock to be maintained, no warehouse needed to store, or personall needed to interact with customers and deliver product. I've always found the complaints of Mr. daniel Stahl to be more then a bit hollow. I've run a brick and mortor store.. if a product doesn't move, it its being what retailers call a "Shelf Dog" then the item goes to price reduction to get it moving, and if it still doesn't sell, then you dump it and write it off as a loss on taxes.
I'm a firm beliver that the people at studio's and companies running MMO's NEED someone around with real retail experience because most of them just simply do not understand real world marketting, and how it relates to the sale of virtual items, or how to sell product... especially cash shop items.. if its treated like a retail store, and it good handled under the same rules then its understood that if a product is not selling there is either a lack of demand, or its simply priced to high. They're great at selling thier game, but don't seem to grasp that cash stores of virtual items are an entirely different entity, and need to be treated as such.
I have no problems playing my KDF char. and iw ould say there are on par for the most part.It would be nice if the kdf got some free sci ships of the Gorns but on the same note the kdf have far better criusers that turn on a dime unlike the Feds.
I remade my kdf tac after thee LoR update and fond it just fine all the missions had no bugs in them all played out fine.
I would say to the Op just because you had problems might be game play with your account which you need to submit a ticket.
The state of the KDF ship line is this: The KDF's strengths are in battlecruisers (though it's less of an edge with the advent of the Romulan ships) and carriers. We have undeniable advantages in these classes. On the negative side, we have weaker escorts (less variety and most of our models don't turn as well as Federation counterparts, and actually don't have a real counterpart to the Fleet Patrol Escorts or the 5 tactical console/weapon slot ships)) and a weaker science ship line. The Bird of Prey class is versatile but its advantages have been watered down over the last year or two. Universal boff stations are now widely distributed to lockbox ships, Fleet ships, and probably new C-store ships that will come out. The battlecloak is now EVERYWHERE, thanks to the introduction of the Romulan faction that both sides can use. The Bird of Prey class needs a buff somewhere to keep it competitive. . .an impulse modifier boost or a buff to the KDF battlecloak mechanics.
Cryptic has done things in the recent past that I strongly disagree with. Their tendency to give the Federation faction cheap, easy access (you can buy Plasmonic leech for a few million EC, a paltry sum) to our most coveted consoles, while forcing the KDF to continue paying lots of zen to unlock access (1k for Plasmonic Leech, for example) is annoying. Their tendency to also give lockbox/cross-faction ships attributes that would normally just be on Klingon ships (and maybe Romulan ships), so that the Federation players can have access without having it be 'their' ship is also irritating.
The state of the KDF ship line is this: The KDF's strengths are in battlecruisers (though it's less of an edge with the advent of the Romulan ships) and carriers. We have undeniable advantages in these classes. On the negative side, we have weaker escorts (less variety and most of our models don't turn as well as Federation counterparts, and actually don't have a real counterpart to the Fleet Patrol Escorts or the 5 tactical console/weapon slot ships)) and a weaker science ship line. The Bird of Prey class is versatile but its advantages have been watered down over the last year or two. Universal boff stations are now widely distributed to lockbox ships, Fleet ships, and probably new C-store ships that will come out. The battlecloak is now EVERYWHERE, thanks to the introduction of the Romulan faction that both sides can use. The Bird of Prey class needs a buff somewhere to keep it competitive. . .an impulse modifier boost or a buff to the KDF battlecloak mechanics.
Cryptic has done things in the recent past that I strongly disagree with. Their tendency to give the Federation faction cheap, easy access (you can buy Plasmonic leech for a few million EC, a paltry sum) to our most coveted consoles, while forcing the KDF to continue paying lots of zen to unlock access (1k for Plasmonic Leech, for example) is annoying. Their tendency to also give lockbox/cross-faction ships attributes that would normally just be on Klingon ships (and maybe Romulan ships), so that the Federation players can have access without having it be 'their' ship is also irritating.
I've been playing the KDF faction a lot more since I made this thread. If I can get around some bugginess with certain editors and missions, its actually very good. It feels different - new - even moreso than the Romulans - if you've been maining Fed and leaving it alone all this time.
I think you're right. They should buff the BoP and I also think they should buff Raptors as well. I don't agree that they should necessarily be worse than Fed escorts, but I think they should make them ''KDF unconventional''. Maybe pushing firepower and damage and sacrificing survivability to a borderline-insane level? Battlecruisers are good. They are more mobile than Fed/Rom cruiser ships and still have good damage and durability.
Also, I like the way the Romulan Battle Cloak and the standard (Klingon) Battle Cloak are slightly different. It seems more correct that the Romulans have better cloaking technology, since they originally gave it to the klingons. The buff for BoPs should impact, like you said, their speed or resilience. Nerfing the more maneuverable warbirds wouldn't be bad either they already look pretty huge. Give them more durability or something in exchange.
I do find it amusing that items like that Dilithium Mining Ticket are character bound, but the Uni Console box prize is not..
The problems with buffing up the BoP comes from PvP. BoP are really great snipers that can already kill most ships within a few seconds if done properly.
It's worth noting that BoP and Raptors were already beefed up two months ago.
You know Cryptic has Jumped the Proverbial Shark when they introduced Tractor Pulling to Star Trek Online!
I've been playing the KDF faction a lot more since I made this thread. If I can get around some bugginess with certain editors and missions, its actually very good. It feels different - new - even moreso than the Romulans - if you've been maining Fed and leaving it alone all this time.
I think you're right. They should buff the BoP and I also think they should buff Raptors as well. I don't agree that they should necessarily be worse than Fed escorts, but I think they should make them ''KDF unconventional''. Maybe pushing firepower and damage and sacrificing survivability to a borderline-insane level? Battlecruisers are good. They are more mobile than Fed/Rom cruiser ships and still have good damage and durability.
Also, I like the way the Romulan Battle Cloak and the standard (Klingon) Battle Cloak are slightly different. It seems more correct that the Romulans have better cloaking technology, since they originally gave it to the klingons. The buff for BoPs should impact, like you said, their speed or resilience. Nerfing the more maneuverable warbirds wouldn't be bad either they already look pretty huge. Give them more durability or something in exchange.
Be warned, rant ahead.
The big issue with the raptors is the turnrate. Not only do they have 16 turnrate, but I think they still have that stupid, stupid turn rate axis issue. Fix the issue, add a turnrate point or two, and make a 5 tac console variant and 5 fore weapon variant, and there'd be no difference from the Federation ones. The Raptors have been deliberately nerfed in comparison to Federation escorts, in my eyes, despite this making zero sense given the types of ships the KDF likes to use (fast, maneuverable ships designed to dish out firepower). The only competitive escort-level ship the KDF has at Tier 5.5 is the Fleet Scourge, because it has 17 turnrate and doesn't have a screwy turn axis. However, it is NOT as good as the Fleet Patrol Escort (the nearest equivalent), it's like a somewhat downgraded version of it. Another deliberate nerf, in my eyes. They're keeping the KDF escort options weak while constantly giving the Federation better ones.
I really wouldn't mind ship class disparities, if they would honor them for both sides. Instead, what they do is make things 'cross faction' so KDF presumably won't have a leg to stand on in terms of complaints. Notice how 8 out of 11 'cross-faction' ships are either carriers of some sort or some variant of battlecruiser/combat cruiser? It's because the Federation already has plenty of powerful escorts. This allows Federation players to buy ships like the Jem Hadar Dreadnought, Recluse, and other powerful ships en-masse, ships that are better than anything the KDF has in carriers or battlecruisers. For anyone with means, there's essentially zero point in playing KDF beyond 'I like Klingons'. You can get everything they have via the Romulans, cross-faction ships, or superior Federation versions. Sure, you can get the ships as a KDF player, but it still does nothing to encourage people to play KDF, especially since KDF has other problems (doff options are more expensive, fewer numbers for PvP, etc).
And Cryptic 'wonders' why the KDF faction is doing so poorly. It's their incompetent management of the factions that led to it. Their eagerness to peddle everything they can to the Federation players so they can suck all the money they can out of this game before a decent competitor decides to come out.
One of the big issues with cryptic handling of a multifaction MMO is they have ZERO experience doing it. Honestly.. I've heard Daniael Stahl say "he has a KDF character" and that "I play other multi faction MMO's" etc etc etc.. and on and on..
And if you look at the MMO HE is the Executive Producer of you would never guess it.
There isn't much of a hint of HIS experience playing multifaction MMO's. No understanding of any concept of faction balance.
Faction balance is NOT achived by a balance of player numbers in each faction. It's achived through a balance of opportunities, and in the case of STO availibility of "character Classes"
Ship's are "Characters" as much as the players avatars.. And there are fewer of the ship "Character" classes availible to the KDF then there are to the federation faction players.
He say its about the development dollars.. I can go online and read PWI annual, and wuarterly reports and have a pretty solid idea of just how much money STO is making for its owners..
The issue is not money for development. It a matter of "WILL" or "won't" ..
When it comes to KDF "balance" it's more won't then will 'cept when its a matter of "Put up or shut up, or loose any and all confidence in what you have to say".
KDF develelopment was not a stretch goal (as stated in the gates of Sto'vo'kor" interview... not to the KDF player base.. Stahl had stated several times that no new faction would be introduced untill the KDF was fully fleshed out.. If the KDF material had not been included in the romulan expansion I'd render an educated guess that a majority of the KDF player base would have just given it up. I was ready to go play Eve.. And unless there is some remarkable improvement over the next 2 years I'm off to Star Citizen when it launches in 2016.
Well, we're better fleshed out, but somewhat short of fully fleshed out. There is hope for the future but little proof that what he stated in the interview is something he intends to follow through on. ((translation: we've heard this song and dance before.))
More specificly KDF development is still direly needed. Fed players have pretty much all they will need to enjoy the game for quite some time, and they'll still get c-store stuff added. They'll be more FE type material, adventure zones, etc.
I've very happy with what has been done, but it only meet the MINIMUM expectations of what the faction needed done for it.
Honestly, were he my employee, I'd be looking for a replacement due to job non performance. And worse.. Decieving the customers.
Trek fans are not total complete idiots.. Might be a bit starry eyed and head in the clouds at times but to put it plainly, if your going to have a bad guy faction, you best give them just as much love as the "good guy" faction.
Thats the main reason why WOW is still king of the MMO's after a decade. The Horde, and the Alliance are balanced in play opportunity, story, PvP, PvE... the works. Even STO's genre competition TOR had sense to make sure BOTH factions have balanced play opportunity. STO will continue, but it runs a real risk of turning into a kiddie game without some serious attention to faction balance.
As KDF fans have said any number of times, Build it and they will come.
Looks comforting to me that a FED player originally posted this after years and years of KDF been tagged by the FED community as a whining bunch of sissies. Anyhow...
The problem is real and I think it streams from the very nature of this game. In a nutshell this game IS NOT a game that promotes competitive gaming or a true multi-faction game.
The balance between factions IS and WILL always be off if the current trend continues. Reason for this is because the bulk of player base consist of Star Trek fans and Star Trek was always about the Federation and that's it. Will see how the Romulans will fair into this, as of now they are the new hype. If I was to predict, the population will be FED>ROM>KDF after the things settles and that's mainly because of the effort Cryptic put to make the Romulan "faction" desirable.
To me it looks that this game is just a "collectibles" cash-shop for Trekkers. The business model I see here is similar to a souvenir shop, a CBS-Star Trek souvenir shop. "Want a Scimitar T-Shirt with a brand New Romulus logo? Here, you can have three at the price of two". As it is now I really don't see any reason why they would bother balancing the game, faction wise, if that said faction will never sell good. It's like; "hey I am in Berlin I want to buy a swastika badge from a souvenir shop, oh wait... I can't find any because no one in the right mind will sell them".
Case study:
"If we don't develop new content or fix existing issues for a said faction its population will never increase" TRUE?
"If the population is not big enough for a said faction we cannot develop new content or fix things because it doesn't pay" TRUE?
I would say both are true and form a vicious circle that will make the situation ever stagnate unless one of the two becomes false.
Things will be different if Cryptic didn't run a "Souvenir Shop" and would run a "Competitive Game". You cannot have competitive matches if you don't have at least two opposing factions AND those are EQUALLY balanced. If I would to make an analogy... imagine an American football game with one team wearing Baseball hats and NO suspensors and other one the regular gear. On what team would you bet your money?
IMO what would make this game competitive is a form of territory control that involves both PVP and PVE play. Almost all other successful MMOs have it. BUT you cannot have that launched BEFORE you balance things faction wise. Other MMOs don't have Cryptic problem with the Trek "CANON" and to balance things is easy, give both factions same playable classes and gear and you have balance. Here things are a little tricky, CBS don't want FEDs fly B'Rels or KDFs fly Galaxyes, oddly enough it doesn't have any problem with the Romulans to do just that, but that's another matter. I think things CAN be balanced but will take a bit of work to do it in this non-heterogeneous mix of gear that factions have at their disposal. All that is needed is the WILL to do it and so far seems that is in low supply at Cryptic Studios. And that is mostly because people like ME and YOU support them and pays for their shinnies and thus supporting their "Souvenir Shop".
Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of this game and I want to see it succeed, all of the above are my concerns with it. And if you ask, YES I am a KDF main player and I'll never regret my choice only that from time to time it is hard not to remain disgusted at the state of the game, that I see from my chosen faction perspective anyway, and start posting long rants like I just did.
Now don't you worry, I am way past you on long rants, and might possibly qualify as one of the mighty kings (or queens depending on your POV) of the wall of text RANT..
Thats right son, you got a lot of catch'n up to do before your accused of true wordiness!
To me it looks that this game is just a "collectibles" cash-shop for Trekkers. The business model I see here is similar to a souvenir shop, a CBS-Star Trek souvenir shop. "Want a Scimitar T-Shirt with a brand New Romulus logo? Here, you can have three at the price of two". As it is now I really don't see any reason why they would bother balancing the game, faction wise, if that said faction will never sell good. It's like; "hey I am in Berlin I want to buy a swastika badge from a souvenir shop, oh wait... I can't find any because no one in the right mind will sell them".
Couldn't have said it better myself. This is exactly what STO is, nothing more, nothing less, it turned into that about 2-3 months after the game went live and every review destroyed it. With only a skeleton crew manning the game, there simply is no way of having multiple department/faction heads sitting down together and discussing balance or anything of sorts, you know, things you have in normal MMO's with solid playerbase counts. Only thing that matters now are.. numbers. PWE execs check them out and make a decision what will be created/put into c-store, that's it. As long as something sells better, it will always be prioritized.
And that is why I hate f2p mmo's, its all about numbers. They'll keep telling you, 'we are hiring new people', 'we are fixing the game', 'were on it!' and similar, but in general they don't give a *beep*. You think Romulans as third faction were introduced because this will make the game better or something? C'mon, stop being naive. They were created because both sides were saturated, players made a firm choice what side they plan to play and sticked with it, meaning they already bought all the ships they wanted. Releasing another faction got players from both other factions rushing to them, filling company's pockets with cash from now EVERYONE purchasing new ships, not just some players on either side.
tl;dr - you see that Wall-mart across the road? Now imagine it says "Star Trek Online" instead, there you go.
I don't know about you, but I play the KDF just fine. It's buggy, the ship variety is very small, ship customization as a whole is unimpressive... and I really wish the gorn had tails. I also wish more people played KDF so there would be more active RP among the KDF ranks.
However -- that's not to say that the KDF is bad or needs to be suspended. I have a blast playing my two Ferasan alts, they are fun and exciting. The uniqueness of the KDF ships compared to the Federation is a good, refreshing sight. I spent money on my KDF character and if that was taken away from me, I'd want a full refund.
im actually at battle at myself with the KDF.. I have been loyal for 2 years, and all they give us is nothing at all of which is actually likeable. For your comment, I would love Gorn tails, for they do have them, just not really big ones.. and even the possibility of "veloceraptor Gorn Play" with no change to the race's traits. but in all, I am on KDF for the Gorn. And sadly, I am thinking of going more Romulan or FED, which I hate that I am falling this way... after all I used on the Empire, because I know they dont do anything that will be worthwhile to save up the Zen for.
We aren't unique cloakers... minus the fact our cloak is dead gagh compared to the Romulans... our ships are out of date, balrey anything for us Sciences to do, mostly FORCED to Escort ourselves, and worse of all, you broke the promise you'd fix us before Romulans. If Gorn were allied with Romualsn or FEDS, bye bye KDF. And if Gorn were with the Tholians/Dominion (AKA if that was an avalible faction) Also Bye bye Fed and Romulans... I wil stay playing STO, but as time passes.... KDF just gets near the death and Feds and Roms get near the new.... however, I will NEVER give up my Gorn, S'kaa.... no matter the pain.
R'tolves Will Spread Thier Peace and Will Prevail Over the Hostiles Who Dare Hurt Such A Isolationist Consitutional Monarchy!
And that is why I hate f2p mmo's, its all about numbers. They'll keep telling you, 'we are hiring new people', 'we are fixing the game', 'were on it!' and similar, but in general they don't give a *beep*. You think Romulans as third faction were introduced because this will make the game better or something? C'mon, stop being naive. They were created because both sides were saturated, players made a firm choice what side they plan to play and sticked with it, meaning they already bought all the ships they wanted. Releasing another faction got players from both other factions rushing to them, filling company's pockets with cash from now EVERYONE purchasing new ships, not just some players on either side.
tl;dr - you see that Wall-mart across the road? Now imagine it says "Star Trek Online" instead, there you go.
And they will never do anything unles KDF turns viral... which will happen when?
R'tolves Will Spread Thier Peace and Will Prevail Over the Hostiles Who Dare Hurt Such A Isolationist Consitutional Monarchy!
its always been worse than feds i guess that why so many refuse to play kdf, alos heart breaking when u see fed ship after fed ship added and told its not bang for buck to make kdf ships.
ps. i rarly play feds i have 9kdf and 5 kdf/rom, 3 feds that i never play
7 KDF - 2 KDF/ROM - 1 FED.. sadly mighyt change
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LoR was technically Season 8 (renamed internally) - and the next Season update will be number nine (stated in other interviews.) So, you're saying after all they added for LoR (Season 8) - basically finally giving the KDF a level 1 -50 path, and it's own tutorial and a starting storyline that is now quite "Klingon" - the fact they now want to move the general story of STO forward (for all factions in the end game) with Season 9 - and will give the KDF some new ships in Season 10 - is suddenly 'neglecting the KDF again'?
Wow.
May I add... 1. Did you TRY KDF? 2. Look at the Value of the New Content
3... Comapre it to Romulans.
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Most issues with KDF at this point are minor and I've been primarily a KDF player since day 1. However, if there was one thing I would change with STO, it would be doff faction. Doffs having faction actually punishes the KDF and Rommies that align with the KDF.
How? Because the player base is much smaller.
Why would this matter? It matters because there are less doffs available for trade.
This means that a fed doff on the exchange that sells for 5000000ec because there are 60 of them, it's kdf counterpart sells at 5x the price because there are three.
Basically, having factions tied to doffs punishes the KDF player base.
I'd remove those factions entirely.
As long as my Characters Could be Moved, more so S'kaa to another Factoin, I would 100% Agree that the KDF should be aboninated.
R'tolves Will Spread Thier Peace and Will Prevail Over the Hostiles Who Dare Hurt Such A Isolationist Consitutional Monarchy!
Everybody seems to forget the plasmonic leech console that LoR made it available to federation and if before the best raptor in game was fed now that raptor became better while kdf raptor's have still the same stats as before LoR with no 5 tac console,no 5 fore weapon's slot.It is just logical that kdf ships are not money bringers
The scimitar on the other hand is much better that bortasq so again who will buy a bortas instead a scimitar ?
For me Kdf ships look like they were made inferior to other faction's ships.
I dont care how many posts im posting on this fourm page, but I agree woth you 100%
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Have to say love the fed peeps who say hey they finally actually did something for klinks so be happy I didn't get anything (still feds cry about well everything lol). Content wise they did bring us a lot which is good. However klinks are still behind compared to roms and feds but I am happy with some correction atm.
Ships they need to add--Better sci vessel options, and a 5 tactical slot BOP how the Fleet HOH'SUS didn't have 5 tac slots is just crazy. So add a new fleet BOP or A Raptor with 5 tac slots. Also 5 Fore Weapons slots as well to either raptor or BOP but has to be on the same ship you add the 5 tac slots
Couldn't have said it better myself. This is exactly what STO is, nothing more, nothing less, it turned into that about 2-3 months after the game went live and every review destroyed it. With only a skeleton crew manning the game, there simply is no way of having multiple department/faction heads sitting down together and discussing balance or anything of sorts, you know, things you have in normal MMO's with solid playerbase counts. Only thing that matters now are.. numbers. PWE execs check them out and make a decision what will be created/put into c-store, that's it. As long as something sells better, it will always be prioritized.
And that is why I hate f2p mmo's, its all about numbers. They'll keep telling you, 'we are hiring new people', 'we are fixing the game', 'were on it!' and similar, but in general they don't give a *beep*. You think Romulans as third faction were introduced because this will make the game better or something? C'mon, stop being naive. They were created because both sides were saturated, players made a firm choice what side they plan to play and sticked with it, meaning they already bought all the ships they wanted. Releasing another faction got players from both other factions rushing to them, filling company's pockets with cash from now EVERYONE purchasing new ships, not just some players on either side.
tl;dr - you see that Wall-mart across the road? Now imagine it says "Star Trek Online" instead, there you go.
This is what Most MMO"S are they all TRIBBLE balance to provide a new flavor of the month and they most have cash shops to collect items , ships, weapons, armor, PETS---lololol----even WOW opened a cash shop on top of all their money making to make even more. In the End their all their to make money its just a question of how they go about doing it. Some are less greedy than others and some are more.
Now I have supported kdf since launch and have also spent money to help support kdf side but that may change soon and I will not move to a new faction and keep playing simple as that. KDF was left out since beginning when they said two factions and lied. We have received some stuff now not great stuff but stuff lol, if they don't add certain things to kdf coming up im out.
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Wow.
Once in a while someone posts something that just...wow.
There were so many eyes rolling at once that the Earth's axis shifted.
The KDF got levels 1-20 and 2 low tier ships to match, just so players can ONLY NOW choose them as their starting Faction...big woof.
Meanwhile, Fed players are still enjoying the new car smell from the 3 Vesta and 3 Andorian ships they got within the last YEAR was it?
So, I think we should all bombard Cryptic with emails to give something to the Fed players for being left out of the LoR bonanza.
RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
KDF allready had those ships.. had 'em at launch.
The newest KDF ship is the Khamarag.. the tier 1 and 2 KDF ships have been there all along, but when the switched the KDF starting level to 20 they got left in the closet.. you could still get them in the ship yard strangly nuff..
Theres a lot of unadressed bug with the KDF.. if the population number for the faction grow Cryptic will likely do something about them. Untill then.. we're stuck with a lot of minor but none the less annoying bugs.
The Romulan faction brought a lot of content to the game for all sides but also made Fed a little worthless to play and KDF even more worthless. I flew an escort in the fed side but quickly changed to romulan, as why would I fly an escort in FED anymore, when I can fly a comparable escort with singularity powers and a battle cloak? Other than looking like a deranged space elf, mechanics wise, I don't see why you would roll anything else. You even get access to some KDF or FED ships, DOFFS, BOFFS, their stations, and things that KDF and FED do not.
Having never played a KDF, here is why I probably wont do so until something gives:
- Their(KDF) rants are valid, yet on the sheer amount of threads I have read about the issues trying to decide whether to play one or not, I have not seen ONE Dev reply to any of them or their concerns. That is sad.
-They(KDF) have the best modules, but if I fly KDF I have to pay for all of them in the Cstore for real life money (unless you grind dil, that would take forever). In my old fed ship (now retired due to Romulan dominance as with FED alliance I have access to the same modules) I have subspace jump, isometric discharge, theta radiation, and bio-neural warhead all on the same ship, it cost me roughly 3.7 million ECs to get all those modules, in comparison I would have to pay $55.00 USD and buy the Qorgh, CH'tong, Scourge destroyer, and Vor' Kang. In retrospect if I did roll a Klingon the only FED console I would be remotely interested in is the point defense module. The KDF even lost their plasmonic leech, while admittedly pretty useless unless in pvp, it was a pride thing and added to the unbalanced toy give away above.
- They(the KDF) although loyal, have little to no player base because of the above issues and many many many more listed by their community. As a fed I'll be browsing DOFF's on the exchange and see many of their doffs on the market. Their doffs go from anywhere from really cheap compared to FED side ones, to hugely expensive and there is a direct correlation between this and the lack of player base for that faction and thus doffs available on the exchange.
In summary the KDF need to have their bugs addressed and they also need an edge to get other players to want to use them to gain that edge. This is why you will see more and more players flocking to the Romulan side and its not just because they are new, it is because they are better in every way and what they are not better at, they usually gain from alliance with either of the other two factions.
People go with what is hot, what is slightly overpowered, and what is cool. The new floaters on the summer event is one example of all the rage and they want them permanent. Now if, while everyone else was getting wasted and picking sand out of their crack, the KDF were secretly plotting to steal this technology...
This might be an extreme example to give floaters to the KDF and a bit tongue in cheek to prove a point, but you can be darn sure it would work, and people of all factions would FLOCK to the KDF, even if only temporary. The point is people want the best, the most advantageous, or the coolest stuff and the KDF has none of that, that can not be acquired for pennies on the dollar from the exchange. So far the only thing cool about being KDF is that you play KDF because it is horrible and you play it anyway. This might be enough to keep a stubborn Klingon playing his/her broken faction and being proud despite it, but it is not enough to bring players to their dying community.
With all the unanswered concerns by the KDF community who pay for their toys with real life Cstore money and arguably spend more Zen than any other faction because of it, I would think they would have a stronger voice. I am almost tempted to state that Cryptic is saving a KDF revamp for a rainy day when they are losing players to other games in the future.
"Come back to STO, we have fixed the Klingon race!! They now get access to X,Y,Z, and also many new features and bug fixes, there is no better time to come back to STO and experience what the new revamped KDF has to offer..."
How? Because the player base is much smaller.
Why would this matter? It matters because there are less doffs available for trade.
This means that a fed doff on the exchange that sells for 5000000ec because there are 60 of them, it's kdf counterpart sells at 5x the price because there are three.
Basically, having factions tied to doffs punishes the KDF player base.
I'd remove those factions entirely.
Ulitmately the starbases as a whole are greatly lagging behind, this is primarily to fewer kdf players. Fewer doffs for sale, fewer fleet marks earned and so son. If the kdf fleets cannot get starbases up soon enough I think it will apply pressure to many players to stay fed and wait till their kdf alt fleet grinds out the holdings.
This and the small fleet issues would have been solved if starbase holdings were much much cheaper and the provisions cost the resources, then the starbase would be scaled to fleet size nicely. sure the bigs would get the starbase instaquick, but then they can grind their provisions till they are blue. Also have the provisions costs increase at a greater rate for each tier, that way they are gated by planning ahead for provisions.
Not rocket surgery, but the starbases and ships are, in my mind the greater inhibition, because most the endgame content seems to be stable that I have found.
You know there should be a daily quota of new officers (basically how many recruits are coming up from the academies) that the entire community can draw upon. Everyone puts in for doffs and they get a share of the doffs alotted.
This means that the doff recruiter has 10,000 (made up number) doffs to assign today, people put in their requisition and everyone that puts in gets an equal number of the share. KDF having fewer players gets mroe doffs per captain than fed which equalizes the disparity.
This is an odd idea and one that I am not sure how implementable. But I dont want to just gripe be suggest new ideas that can maybe spawn someone else that is brighter to made a good suggestion.
We KDF are currently in a far better place than when we first appeared in STO and the future looks bright for us if we continue to let our concerns be made known.
To think the KDF is unplayable though is silly. We are in the best shape for play now than wr ever where and can only get better.
R.I.P
I have to echo Roaches sentiment. The Devs have been busting their chops and the KDF future is looking great.
I personally am looking forward to my Negh'Var retrofit and the introduction of the iconic K'Vort at some point soon I hope.
The scimitar on the other hand is much better that bortasq so again who will buy a bortas instead a scimitar ?
For me Kdf ships look like they were made inferior to other faction's ships.
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
1. Encourage KDF numbers...
2. Generate revenue on c-store items that have historicly not sold well.. (imho due to the aformentioned LACK of KDF players)
While I realize that there are voices that say why should this be done. it's very simple. If Cryptic hasn't made "sufficient" revenue off of KDF c-store items, it they are NOT selling, then you do what you do in any RETAIL business does.. you drop prices and get customers in the store and buying. These are all virtual goods.. they only have to be made ONCE... after that the replicator (*grin*) does the rest. The reality of virtual items in MMO's is the cost of creating them is a write off in all practicality. There is no cost to make more of the same item, not stock to be maintained, no warehouse needed to store, or personall needed to interact with customers and deliver product. I've always found the complaints of Mr. daniel Stahl to be more then a bit hollow. I've run a brick and mortor store.. if a product doesn't move, it its being what retailers call a "Shelf Dog" then the item goes to price reduction to get it moving, and if it still doesn't sell, then you dump it and write it off as a loss on taxes.
I'm a firm beliver that the people at studio's and companies running MMO's NEED someone around with real retail experience because most of them just simply do not understand real world marketting, and how it relates to the sale of virtual items, or how to sell product... especially cash shop items.. if its treated like a retail store, and it good handled under the same rules then its understood that if a product is not selling there is either a lack of demand, or its simply priced to high. They're great at selling thier game, but don't seem to grasp that cash stores of virtual items are an entirely different entity, and need to be treated as such.
I remade my kdf tac after thee LoR update and fond it just fine all the missions had no bugs in them all played out fine.
I would say to the Op just because you had problems might be game play with your account which you need to submit a ticket.
@dova25
Everybody seems to forget the plasmonic leech console that LoR made it available to federation and if before
You have to buy a lockbox ship in order to get it though.It doesn't take much to get 1k from the exchange to uy the ship off the store.
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Cryptic has done things in the recent past that I strongly disagree with. Their tendency to give the Federation faction cheap, easy access (you can buy Plasmonic leech for a few million EC, a paltry sum) to our most coveted consoles, while forcing the KDF to continue paying lots of zen to unlock access (1k for Plasmonic Leech, for example) is annoying. Their tendency to also give lockbox/cross-faction ships attributes that would normally just be on Klingon ships (and maybe Romulan ships), so that the Federation players can have access without having it be 'their' ship is also irritating.
I've been playing the KDF faction a lot more since I made this thread. If I can get around some bugginess with certain editors and missions, its actually very good. It feels different - new - even moreso than the Romulans - if you've been maining Fed and leaving it alone all this time.
I think you're right. They should buff the BoP and I also think they should buff Raptors as well. I don't agree that they should necessarily be worse than Fed escorts, but I think they should make them ''KDF unconventional''. Maybe pushing firepower and damage and sacrificing survivability to a borderline-insane level? Battlecruisers are good. They are more mobile than Fed/Rom cruiser ships and still have good damage and durability.
Also, I like the way the Romulan Battle Cloak and the standard (Klingon) Battle Cloak are slightly different. It seems more correct that the Romulans have better cloaking technology, since they originally gave it to the klingons. The buff for BoPs should impact, like you said, their speed or resilience. Nerfing the more maneuverable warbirds wouldn't be bad either they already look pretty huge. Give them more durability or something in exchange.
The problems with buffing up the BoP comes from PvP. BoP are really great snipers that can already kill most ships within a few seconds if done properly.
It's worth noting that BoP and Raptors were already beefed up two months ago.
Be warned, rant ahead.
The big issue with the raptors is the turnrate. Not only do they have 16 turnrate, but I think they still have that stupid, stupid turn rate axis issue. Fix the issue, add a turnrate point or two, and make a 5 tac console variant and 5 fore weapon variant, and there'd be no difference from the Federation ones. The Raptors have been deliberately nerfed in comparison to Federation escorts, in my eyes, despite this making zero sense given the types of ships the KDF likes to use (fast, maneuverable ships designed to dish out firepower). The only competitive escort-level ship the KDF has at Tier 5.5 is the Fleet Scourge, because it has 17 turnrate and doesn't have a screwy turn axis. However, it is NOT as good as the Fleet Patrol Escort (the nearest equivalent), it's like a somewhat downgraded version of it. Another deliberate nerf, in my eyes. They're keeping the KDF escort options weak while constantly giving the Federation better ones.
I really wouldn't mind ship class disparities, if they would honor them for both sides. Instead, what they do is make things 'cross faction' so KDF presumably won't have a leg to stand on in terms of complaints. Notice how 8 out of 11 'cross-faction' ships are either carriers of some sort or some variant of battlecruiser/combat cruiser? It's because the Federation already has plenty of powerful escorts. This allows Federation players to buy ships like the Jem Hadar Dreadnought, Recluse, and other powerful ships en-masse, ships that are better than anything the KDF has in carriers or battlecruisers. For anyone with means, there's essentially zero point in playing KDF beyond 'I like Klingons'. You can get everything they have via the Romulans, cross-faction ships, or superior Federation versions. Sure, you can get the ships as a KDF player, but it still does nothing to encourage people to play KDF, especially since KDF has other problems (doff options are more expensive, fewer numbers for PvP, etc).
And Cryptic 'wonders' why the KDF faction is doing so poorly. It's their incompetent management of the factions that led to it. Their eagerness to peddle everything they can to the Federation players so they can suck all the money they can out of this game before a decent competitor decides to come out.
/rant
And if you look at the MMO HE is the Executive Producer of you would never guess it.
There isn't much of a hint of HIS experience playing multifaction MMO's. No understanding of any concept of faction balance.
Faction balance is NOT achived by a balance of player numbers in each faction. It's achived through a balance of opportunities, and in the case of STO availibility of "character Classes"
Ship's are "Characters" as much as the players avatars.. And there are fewer of the ship "Character" classes availible to the KDF then there are to the federation faction players.
He say its about the development dollars.. I can go online and read PWI annual, and wuarterly reports and have a pretty solid idea of just how much money STO is making for its owners..
The issue is not money for development. It a matter of "WILL" or "won't" ..
When it comes to KDF "balance" it's more won't then will 'cept when its a matter of "Put up or shut up, or loose any and all confidence in what you have to say".
KDF develelopment was not a stretch goal (as stated in the gates of Sto'vo'kor" interview... not to the KDF player base.. Stahl had stated several times that no new faction would be introduced untill the KDF was fully fleshed out.. If the KDF material had not been included in the romulan expansion I'd render an educated guess that a majority of the KDF player base would have just given it up. I was ready to go play Eve.. And unless there is some remarkable improvement over the next 2 years I'm off to Star Citizen when it launches in 2016.
Well, we're better fleshed out, but somewhat short of fully fleshed out. There is hope for the future but little proof that what he stated in the interview is something he intends to follow through on. ((translation: we've heard this song and dance before.))
More specificly KDF development is still direly needed. Fed players have pretty much all they will need to enjoy the game for quite some time, and they'll still get c-store stuff added. They'll be more FE type material, adventure zones, etc.
I've very happy with what has been done, but it only meet the MINIMUM expectations of what the faction needed done for it.
Honestly, were he my employee, I'd be looking for a replacement due to job non performance. And worse.. Decieving the customers.
Trek fans are not total complete idiots.. Might be a bit starry eyed and head in the clouds at times but to put it plainly, if your going to have a bad guy faction, you best give them just as much love as the "good guy" faction.
Thats the main reason why WOW is still king of the MMO's after a decade. The Horde, and the Alliance are balanced in play opportunity, story, PvP, PvE... the works. Even STO's genre competition TOR had sense to make sure BOTH factions have balanced play opportunity. STO will continue, but it runs a real risk of turning into a kiddie game without some serious attention to faction balance.
As KDF fans have said any number of times, Build it and they will come.
The problem is real and I think it streams from the very nature of this game. In a nutshell this game IS NOT a game that promotes competitive gaming or a true multi-faction game.
The balance between factions IS and WILL always be off if the current trend continues. Reason for this is because the bulk of player base consist of Star Trek fans and Star Trek was always about the Federation and that's it. Will see how the Romulans will fair into this, as of now they are the new hype. If I was to predict, the population will be FED>ROM>KDF after the things settles and that's mainly because of the effort Cryptic put to make the Romulan "faction" desirable.
To me it looks that this game is just a "collectibles" cash-shop for Trekkers. The business model I see here is similar to a souvenir shop, a CBS-Star Trek souvenir shop. "Want a Scimitar T-Shirt with a brand New Romulus logo? Here, you can have three at the price of two". As it is now I really don't see any reason why they would bother balancing the game, faction wise, if that said faction will never sell good. It's like; "hey I am in Berlin I want to buy a swastika badge from a souvenir shop, oh wait... I can't find any because no one in the right mind will sell them".
Case study:
"If we don't develop new content or fix existing issues for a said faction its population will never increase" TRUE?
"If the population is not big enough for a said faction we cannot develop new content or fix things because it doesn't pay" TRUE?
I would say both are true and form a vicious circle that will make the situation ever stagnate unless one of the two becomes false.
Things will be different if Cryptic didn't run a "Souvenir Shop" and would run a "Competitive Game". You cannot have competitive matches if you don't have at least two opposing factions AND those are EQUALLY balanced. If I would to make an analogy... imagine an American football game with one team wearing Baseball hats and NO suspensors and other one the regular gear. On what team would you bet your money?
IMO what would make this game competitive is a form of territory control that involves both PVP and PVE play. Almost all other successful MMOs have it. BUT you cannot have that launched BEFORE you balance things faction wise. Other MMOs don't have Cryptic problem with the Trek "CANON" and to balance things is easy, give both factions same playable classes and gear and you have balance. Here things are a little tricky, CBS don't want FEDs fly B'Rels or KDFs fly Galaxyes, oddly enough it doesn't have any problem with the Romulans to do just that, but that's another matter. I think things CAN be balanced but will take a bit of work to do it in this non-heterogeneous mix of gear that factions have at their disposal. All that is needed is the WILL to do it and so far seems that is in low supply at Cryptic Studios. And that is mostly because people like ME and YOU support them and pays for their shinnies and thus supporting their "Souvenir Shop".
Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of this game and I want to see it succeed, all of the above are my concerns with it. And if you ask, YES I am a KDF main player and I'll never regret my choice only that from time to time it is hard not to remain disgusted at the state of the game, that I see from my chosen faction perspective anyway, and start posting long rants like I just did.
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Thats right son, you got a lot of catch'n up to do before your accused of true wordiness!
*GRIN!*
Peace!
Couldn't have said it better myself. This is exactly what STO is, nothing more, nothing less, it turned into that about 2-3 months after the game went live and every review destroyed it. With only a skeleton crew manning the game, there simply is no way of having multiple department/faction heads sitting down together and discussing balance or anything of sorts, you know, things you have in normal MMO's with solid playerbase counts. Only thing that matters now are.. numbers. PWE execs check them out and make a decision what will be created/put into c-store, that's it. As long as something sells better, it will always be prioritized.
And that is why I hate f2p mmo's, its all about numbers. They'll keep telling you, 'we are hiring new people', 'we are fixing the game', 'were on it!' and similar, but in general they don't give a *beep*. You think Romulans as third faction were introduced because this will make the game better or something? C'mon, stop being naive. They were created because both sides were saturated, players made a firm choice what side they plan to play and sticked with it, meaning they already bought all the ships they wanted. Releasing another faction got players from both other factions rushing to them, filling company's pockets with cash from now EVERYONE purchasing new ships, not just some players on either side.
tl;dr - you see that Wall-mart across the road? Now imagine it says "Star Trek Online" instead, there you go.
im actually at battle at myself with the KDF.. I have been loyal for 2 years, and all they give us is nothing at all of which is actually likeable. For your comment, I would love Gorn tails, for they do have them, just not really big ones.. and even the possibility of "veloceraptor Gorn Play" with no change to the race's traits. but in all, I am on KDF for the Gorn. And sadly, I am thinking of going more Romulan or FED, which I hate that I am falling this way... after all I used on the Empire, because I know they dont do anything that will be worthwhile to save up the Zen for.
We aren't unique cloakers... minus the fact our cloak is dead gagh compared to the Romulans... our ships are out of date, balrey anything for us Sciences to do, mostly FORCED to Escort ourselves, and worse of all, you broke the promise you'd fix us before Romulans. If Gorn were allied with Romualsn or FEDS, bye bye KDF. And if Gorn were with the Tholians/Dominion (AKA if that was an avalible faction) Also Bye bye Fed and Romulans... I wil stay playing STO, but as time passes.... KDF just gets near the death and Feds and Roms get near the new.... however, I will NEVER give up my Gorn, S'kaa.... no matter the pain.
And they will never do anything unles KDF turns viral... which will happen when?
7 KDF - 2 KDF/ROM - 1 FED.. sadly mighyt change
May I add... 1. Did you TRY KDF? 2. Look at the Value of the New Content
3... Comapre it to Romulans.
Horrible Missions, TO State THe Truth.... You can Clearly See that Romulans got spoiled with the content...
Seasopns 2-7 Were The Feds.... So You Can't Make the Feds innocent.
As long as my Characters Could be Moved, more so S'kaa to another Factoin, I would 100% Agree that the KDF should be aboninated.
I dont care how many posts im posting on this fourm page, but I agree woth you 100%
Ships they need to add--Better sci vessel options, and a 5 tactical slot BOP how the Fleet HOH'SUS didn't have 5 tac slots is just crazy. So add a new fleet BOP or A Raptor with 5 tac slots. Also 5 Fore Weapons slots as well to either raptor or BOP but has to be on the same ship you add the 5 tac slots
This is what Most MMO"S are they all TRIBBLE balance to provide a new flavor of the month and they most have cash shops to collect items , ships, weapons, armor, PETS---lololol----even WOW opened a cash shop on top of all their money making to make even more. In the End their all their to make money its just a question of how they go about doing it. Some are less greedy than others and some are more.
Now I have supported kdf since launch and have also spent money to help support kdf side but that may change soon and I will not move to a new faction and keep playing simple as that. KDF was left out since beginning when they said two factions and lied. We have received some stuff now not great stuff but stuff lol, if they don't add certain things to kdf coming up im out.