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100% Reduction in Cooldown?!

admiralgillisadmiralgillis Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited June 2013 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
I just got a purple warp core, that I paid for specifically to get the 100% reduction to slipstream cooldown... and it cuts the cooldown in half?

How is that 100%? What math are you using? I want my energy credits back.
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  • aarons9aarons9 Member Posts: 961
    edited June 2013
    yeah the dev responsible doesnt know math..

    everything that says 100% needs to be changed to 50%.
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  • article001article001 Member Posts: 73 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    100% cooldown reduction equalling half timer is standard mmo math.

    actual CD = base CD / (1 + reduction)

    so, in the case of 100% reduction the formula would be . . .

    actual CD = base CD / (1 + 1.00)

    this allows multiple cooldown reductions to be stacked w/out ever introducing game breaking math resulting in CD reduction greater than base CD (which would lead to negative CD timers).
  • vandelemmingenvandelemmingen Member Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    it is 100%. just a different one: your slipstream is recharging 100% faster then it is now = cooldown reduced to 50%.
  • adjudicatorhawkadjudicatorhawk Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Sorry for the confusion here. :/ It stems from how recharge time is calculated in the Cryptic Engine. I've clarified the text in a future build to say only 50% so that it should be less confusing, but under the hood, it is actually a "100%" value - it's just that our default way of calculating recharge is 1/(1+x), where x is your total bonus recharge time. This doesn't come up very often in STO, since recharge time bonuses almost never stack, and are pretty sparsely used in the first place.
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  • nafeasonto1nafeasonto1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    adjudicatorhawk wrote: »
    Sorry for the confusion here. :/ It stems from how recharge time is calculated in the Cryptic Engine. I've clarified the text in a future build to say only 50% so that it should be less confusing, but under the hood, it is actually a "100%" value - it's just that our default way of calculating recharge is 1/(1+x), where x is your total bonus recharge time. This doesn't come up very often in STO, since recharge time bonuses almost never stack, and are pretty sparsely used in the first place.

    Can we get a a break down of the formula on how many things are calculated. Because saying +18 to Resistances doesn't really help me in anyway.
  • imadoctornotaimadoctornota Member Posts: 469 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Come on now, you didn't really think you could just use slipstream constantly with no cooldown whatsoever did you? :rolleyes:
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  • frtoasterfrtoaster Member Posts: 3,354 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    adjudicatorhawk wrote: »
    Sorry for the confusion here. :/ It stems from how recharge time is calculated in the Cryptic Engine. I've clarified the text in a future build to say only 50% so that it should be less confusing, but under the hood, it is actually a "100%" value - it's just that our default way of calculating recharge is 1/(1+x), where x is your total bonus recharge time. This doesn't come up very often in STO, since recharge time bonuses almost never stack, and are pretty sparsely used in the first place.

    This error with percentages shows up in a lot of tooltips. In my opinion, you should change them to say "100% increase to recharge rate". The same error appears in the tooltip for the Omega engines. A separate issue is that the slipstream cooldown reduction for the Omega engines is not working correctly. See the following threads:

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=727951
    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=745731
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  • frtoasterfrtoaster Member Posts: 3,354 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    nafeasonto1 wrote: »
    Can we get a a break down of the formula on how many things are calculated. Because saying +18 to Resistances doesn't really help me in anyway.

    See the following link for how damage resistance is calculated:

    http://sto.gamepedia.com/Damage_resistance
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  • oldkhemaraaoldkhemaraa Member Posts: 1,039 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    ..Mother, don't let your mathmatician grow up to write tool tips..

    Confusion and anger will riegn.. temper will boil it the back lash..

    and they hang your mathmatician in the rain...


    ok ok, not terribly inspired.. but it was the best I could do on short notice!
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  • clcmercyclcmercy Member, Banned Users Posts: 308 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    It's Cryptic maths!!

    A 100% reduction cuts times in half.

    A 100% increase doubles timers.


    Go figure.
    Occam's Razor makes the cutting clean.
  • vegie0vegie0 Member Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    clcmercy wrote: »
    It's Cryptic maths!!

    A 100% reduction cuts times in half.

    A 100% increase doubles timers.


    Go figure.

    Ouch lol, and people were dogging on me for being rude in my Thread. But I do think that the 100% we misleading, guess it is getting fixed though. That stats subject to change thing is really kicking in here.
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  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    edited June 2013
    100% based off where you end up and not where you start from is horrible false advertising. Seems they don't ever shop. 100% discount = free so 100% reduction should be no cool down.
  • koppenflakkoppenflak Member Posts: 191 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    It would be better to think of it as a +100% cooldown rate - that is, the ability in question cools down twice as fast. Not instantly.
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  • dotemiusdotemius Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I guess it's asking too much, for someone to have both command of English and math.
  • lordfuzunlordfuzun Member Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    nafeasonto1 wrote: »
    Can we get a a break down of the formula on how many things are calculated. Because saying +18 to Resistances doesn't really help me in anyway.

    Most everything in in Cryptics engine works off of the basic formulas Y x ( 1 + <buff_total> / 100) or Z / (1 + <debuff_total> / 100). The trick is knowing how many factors make up the buff/debuff total. For example, base weapon damage has 5 different numbers that make up it's buff_total: (weapon mk factor, Ship Tier factor, 2 captain skills, and tactical consoles). Certain things will have diminishing returns (like Damage Resistance shown above) which will have the form of an asymptotic curve (a curve that approaching a value but never reaches it. I know. I know. but I didn't say that won't be maths).

    The only exception that I know of up base Shield Damage Resistance is strictly additive with a hard cap of 75%.
  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    imadoctornota wrote: »
    Come on now, you didn't really think you could just use slipstream constantly with no cooldown whatsoever did you? :rolleyes:

    Bingo! :D
    > zoom!

    But still, yes, that "100% reduction" is horribly misleading.
  • admiralgillisadmiralgillis Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    If Cryptic sold an expensive and rare shield that said "100% reduction in damage", I'd really believe that it was an invincible shield. That's what is being advertised. When a warp core says "100% recharge reduction time", that means that 100% of the time is being reduced.... if you were at a store, and they were selling something 50% off, you wouldn't expect to pay 75% of the cost... you'd expect that they took 50% of the original cost, and subtracted it.

    Now, a dev has already commented in the thread, and said it was their mistake (and I accept his apology), so maybe you shouldn't be arguing that the text wasn't unclear when they've admitted it is.
  • onyxheart1onyxheart1 Member Posts: 347 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    oldkhemaraa wrote: »
    ..Mother, don't let your mathmatician grow up to write tool tips..

    Confusion and anger will riegn.. temper will boil it the back lash..

    and they hang your mathmatician in the rain...


    ok ok, not terribly inspired.. but it was the best I could do on short notice!

    what song are those lyrics based off of? it seems familiar
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  • jetwtfjetwtf Member Posts: 1,207
    edited June 2013
    onyxheart1 wrote: »
    what song are those lyrics based off of? it seems familiar

    Mama's Don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys. Sound more familiar?
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  • linkjoylinkjoy Member Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    admiralgillis wrote: »
    If Cryptic sold an expensive and rare shield that said "100% reduction in damage", I'd really believe that it was an invincible shield. That's what is being advertised. When a warp core says "100% recharge reduction time", that means that 100% of the time is being reduced.... if you were at a store, and they were selling something 50% off, you wouldn't expect to pay 75% of the cost... you'd expect that they took 50% of the original cost, and subtracted it.

    Now, a dev has already commented in the thread, and said it was their mistake (and I accept his apology), so maybe you shouldn't be arguing that the text wasn't unclear when they've admitted it is.

    Get used to it dude, there are a lot of Cryptic fan boys on these forums that will defend Cryptic like they are God's and can't do any wrong.

    because if they don't praise them, a MOD or, Brendan does what we call the "ban hammer." On this forums. If you really annoy them, they will ban you with a NEVER lift with no explanation or just two words.

    Not even a warning oh and no way to dispute it :)

    I don't care, I will attack anyone due to the fact that this company is getting away with highway robbery against it's "customers" but I digress.
  • tekehdtekehd Member Posts: 2,032 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Probably the best way to describe it accurately would be an 100% increase in power applied to slipstream recharge. As I have one of these in a singularity core in my Haakona and can slipstream every minute, Seems worth it to me.
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