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KDF races without females...

lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,896 Arc User
edited July 2013 in Klingon Discussion
You know, I'm sure many people new this already but honestly it didn't occur to me untill after watching Enterprise for a second time.

But well as we know there are playable Tellarites in game, they have a female option but there was never any females in any of the shows or movies. Same with Pakled and Saurians...

So why can't KDF get female Lethean, Nausicaan, and perhaps even Gorn? Its clear don't have a problem making up females of races that were never seen in show/movie.
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  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    It'd probably be really easy to add female Gorn, too. Just add a button marked "Female", that produces absolutely no visible effect at all.
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  • notapwefannotapwefan Member Posts: 1,138 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    ^ yep..Gorn females doesn't have mammary glands
    or maybe Gorns are Hermaphrodite
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  • chookinchookin Member Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Female Gorn nerve tonic dance :eek:
  • fovrelfovrel Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Probably and I say a big probably, the game makers see no way to make a pretty character from said species. And a non-pretty female character is a no-go, as it seems. Females have to look nice, males do not matter. An interesting situation. BTW, it is not that easy to make an ugly guy if you stick to the more human races, like vulcans, romulans etc.

    What Cryptic should have done with the great character creator rebuilding, to let one first build the character, move the sliders and then choose the gender, so we can have a manly girl or a girly man. There are two advantages we could change gender, just as we change hair, legsize, whatever and the one gender species, now males only, could have women in an instant.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    A "girly man"

    Im not sure that's entirely PC old chap
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Maybe they're still thinking about some other ideas with the Gorn.
    For example the Gorn have different castes that also look different.
    I think it was Heretic (when he was still around) who said the current Gorn are not from the warrior caste from "Arena" though he didn't say which one they're from.
    Hopefully they'll add another Gorn look on the "female" button from another caste.
    The stats don't necessarily need to be different for gameplay purposes anyway.

    "Male" may be a bit misleading right now and they just didn't know what to call the button.;)
  • latiasracerlatiasracer Member Posts: 680 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    fovrel wrote: »
    Probably and I say a big probably, the game makers see no way to make a pretty character from said species. And a non-pretty female character is a no-go, as it seems. Females have to look nice, males do not matter. An interesting situation. BTW, it is not that easy to make an ugly guy if you stick to the more human races, like vulcans, romulans etc.

    What Cryptic should have done with the great character creator rebuilding, to let one first build the character, move the sliders and then choose the gender, so we can have a manly girl or a girly man. There are two advantages we could change gender, just as we change hair, legsize, whatever and the one gender species, now males only, could have women in an instant.

    Have you seen a female tellarite?


    One of my Boffs is one, and now in the Doff menu they have their faces so close up to the window, i jump a little every time i consult tactical!
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  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    fovrel wrote: »
    Probably and I say a big probably, the game makers see no way to make a pretty character from said species. And a non-pretty female character is a no-go, as it seems.

    As latiasracer said, they have ugly Tellarite, plus they have Pakled females, the Reman females are far from pretty, so that excuse, if ever used by Cryptic has no weight as they have done it before.
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  • redshirtthefirstredshirtthefirst Member Posts: 415 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Dunno about gorn... a lot of supposition can be made such as they are hermaphrodites, keep their female safe home for reproduction/offspring rearing...?

    But I would not see why not see female nausicaans or letheans... they seem to be humanoid mammals.
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  • notapwefannotapwefan Member Posts: 1,138 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    redshirtthefirst wrote: »
    Dunno about gorn... a lot of supposition can be made such as they are hermaphrodites, keep their female safe home for reproduction/offspring rearing...?

    A good female should stay at home anyways to be safe..
    ...to look pretty
    ......and to make a sandwich
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  • fovrelfovrel Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Most species in STO are human with a different head. Understandable because we come from a sixties tv show where computer animations didn't exist. It was all hand made, so the species are in fact humans that visited a party shop. Do realise that for instance playable Tholians would be a nightmare for the devs.

    Female Remans I do like. I have seen the update in beta. The old Veril was too human. Female Remans are not ugly, they look angry and I love angry women. Recently I made a female Ferengi but I deleted her. I found nothing special, though I like small, dwarf like races. Pakleds have melted faces and Tellarites look like they had a fire accident.

    I rolled a Nausicaan the other, made it to 13, then I noticed he had no ears and I deleted him. A shame, he looked real badass and it is one of the few races that have extra cloth options. A Nausicaan with a nausicaan sword and a Garumba. It could be wonderful, but without ears ... nah.

    Now I have a Ferasan, a male. I bought female Boff. They are ok, but I would like the female without the hips and TRIBBLE. Animal based species should be more like animals.
  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Ferengi, Pakled, Tellarites, male remens are all unattractive, but cool. Ferasan's and Caitans are onky hot to furries, not judging whatever floats your boat.

    The female remens aren't as ugly as expected, the male Remens look like nosferato on a bad day :p awesome.

    I actually have a super ugly Leathan now, who looks like he's covered in liver spots and have the animal stance. Super creepy, he even looks like he's doing the creep. Outstanding and the exact opposite of Susher, where Susher is tall and hamsome and ripped with lady killing pheromones, My Leathan, disturbing to look at and even his body shape is off and weird.
  • sander233sander233 Member Posts: 3,992 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    This thread seems to keep cropping up every month or so, with a lot of good pro arguments and no cons except the females of these species would be ugly.

    Have you looked at a female Klingon lately? And female Letheans and Nausicaans can't possibly be much uglier than their males.

    So I say:

    [Zapp Brannigan]Bring on the ugly ladies![/Zapp Brannigan]


    By the way, according to soft canon sources there are female Gorn, which are basically identical to the males except slightly larger (all else being equal - age, caste, etc.) And according to one source they do not have the spiky head spines on their crest.

    My personal theory is that any larger-than-average Gorn without head spines you see in the game is probably actually a female. :eek: But that's just how I roll. If you'd rather assume they're androgynous or that the females stay home to look after the eggs, that works too. The Gorn are so poorly developed in canon that they're basically left a blank slate for your imagination.
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  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Well Gorn females are supposed to be even larger than the male ones so that would be interesting to say the least.
  • lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    fovrel wrote: »
    Now I have a Ferasan, a male. I bought female Boff. They are ok, but I would like the female without the hips and TRIBBLE. Animal based species should be more like animals.
    I myself only play as cats. And the devs indeed do need to fix female cats. That is NOT where feline mammaries are located, and it is not what they look like. In fact, the mammaries would not even be visible at all when the female is fully clothed....Cryptic? Please fix feline bodies to be more correct! :mad:
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  • bialzybubbialzybub Member Posts: 33 Arc User
    edited June 2013
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    But I would not see why not see female nausicaans or letheans... they seem to be humanoid mammals.[/QUOTE]

    I do not know about the nausicanns, but the letheans are a reptile species according to their description.
  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    majesticmsfc wrote: »
    As latiasracer said, they have ugly Tellarite, plus they have Pakled females, the Reman females are far from pretty, so that excuse, if ever used by Cryptic has no weight as they have done it before.

    Lots of idiots don't seem to agree, I am always seeing female remans wearing the short TOS skirts or formal dress doing seductive stance, lol. They need to disable that stuff for ugly races.
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  • sander233sander233 Member Posts: 3,992 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    lindaleff wrote: »
    I myself only play as cats. And the devs indeed do need to fix female cats. That is NOT where feline mammaries are located, and it is not what they look like. In fact, the mammaries would not even be visible at all when the female is fully clothed....Cryptic? Please fix feline bodies to be more correct! :mad:

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  • lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Come to think of it, cats do need more hairstyles. That long hair should be an option, especially for females. For males, I could very well envision warrior dreadlocks. :D
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  • mandoknight89mandoknight89 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    sander233 wrote: »
    Lt. M'Ress would like to have a purr with you.
    When it comes to the design of in-game Caitians, the physiology of the original female Caitian >> the physiology of non-sapient Earth cats.
  • costello5672costello5672 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Saurians are reptilian, too, right?

    Why do the females have mammary glands, then?

    Just wondering, is all.

    As for some of the other things that have been brought up, like the no-ears-on-Nausicaans thing: do they even have ears? Why should every race conform 100% to the human model?

    And the whole cats-have-different mammary gland thing, who says Caitians are evolved from cats that are 100% like Earth felines?

    Two cents worth.
  • lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    You have that backwards. The Preservers seeded all sentient life in the galaxy, so things like Terran cats or Sehlats may actually have evolved from the same base species that led to Ferasans and Caitians.

    This would mean that, Sehlats and Terran cats are more like genetic cousins, not ancestors. They might be genetically-related to Ferasans and Caitians, but Sehlats and Terran cats never evolved sentience.
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  • costello5672costello5672 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Then why do reptilian races like Saurians have mammary glands, but Letheans and gorn won't? I'm a little skeptical of the whole mess.
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    costello5672 wrote: »
    Then why do reptilian races like Saurians have mammary glands, but Letheans and gorn won't? I'm a little skeptical of the whole mess.

    The amount of info avilable on Saurians is practically non-existent...that includes soft-canon material.

    http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Saurian

    However the Cardassians are appearently a mix between reptiles and mammals, with features of both.

    http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Cardassian

    They have scales, love the heat but have live offspring. They are even genetically compatible with other mammals.
    This might apply to Saurians as well while Gorn are clearly reptiles.
    Not sure about Letheans TBH...
  • sander233sander233 Member Posts: 3,992 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    costello5672 wrote: »
    Then why do reptilian races like Saurians have mammary glands, but Letheans and gorn won't? I'm a little skeptical of the whole mess.
    Short answer on the Saurian boob thing - all female models have them. When they made female Saurians, the TRIBBLE came with it. They can't undo it without either deleting the species or reworking the entire female model template.

    That probably also explains the lack of female Gorn - they don't want to TRIBBLE that up too.

    I'm not sure that anyone knows just where the Letheans fit in in terms of taxonomy.
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,896 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    latiasracer wrote: »
    Have you seen a female tellarite?


    One of my Boffs is one, and now in the Doff menu they have their faces so close up to the window, i jump a little every time i consult tactical!

    Exactly, I would hardly call Tellarite, Pakled, or Saurian *pretty*, not to mention I'm sure there are many would think Bolian, Benzite, and Reman females aren't pretty simply because they're bald.
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  • fovrelfovrel Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Ok. Nausicaans and ears. Perhaps real Nausicaans don't have ears. I don't know, I have never seen one. In the STO universe the PC Nausicaan doesn't have ears and this makes them, I belief, the only STO species without ears.

    I rolled one and thrue, at first I didn't notice but when I did my character looked like something where they forgot to add something. It didn't look right, it looked as a design mistake.

    Now everybody may say, it is a matter of taste, you don't like it, but accept it, Nausicaans, or some of them, don't have ears. However I am very dissapointed with that attitude. First I found a Nausicaan with ears in the mission Keep your enemies closer, then I saw that every Nausicaan in Q'onos with a hair style that showed the ear ... had ears.

    Mark my words. There will some day a patch note. Player created Nausicaan have an option to choose from a set of ears.
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    fovrel wrote: »
    Ok. Nausicaans and ears. Perhaps real Nausicaans don't have ears. I don't know, I have never seen one. In the STO universe the PC Nausicaan doesn't have ears and this makes them, I belief, the only STO species without ears.

    I rolled one and thrue, at first I didn't notice but when I did my character looked like something where they forgot to add something. It didn't look right, it looked as a design mistake.

    Now everybody may say, it is a matter of taste, you don't like it, but accept it, Nausicaans, or some of them, don't have ears. However I am very dissapointed with that attitude. First I found a Nausicaan with ears in the mission Keep your enemies closer, then I saw that every Nausicaan in Q'onos with a hair style that showed the ear ... had ears.

    Mark my words. There will some day a patch note. Player created Nausicaan have an option to choose from a set of ears.

    Well, I don't know if they have "ears", but at least this guy has one ear;)

    http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20051008121814/memoryalpha/en/images/9/95/Nausicaan_bodyguard_2.jpg

    and I think we can see at least a hint of an ear on this guy as well:

    http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/8/8f/Nausicaan_Captain.jpg

    so while they are not "real" in the sense that they exist in in our reality, at least in Trek they seem to have at the very least a left ear.:P
  • loukocloukoc Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Speaking of ears, Caitians on Nimbus have human ears for whatever reason. Maybe living in a mafia-controlled desert encourages interbreeding between Caitians and Humans. Whatever the reason, it really bugs me...
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    loukoc wrote: »
    Speaking of ears, Caitians on Nimbus have human ears for whatever reason. Maybe living in a mafia-controlled desert encourages interbreeding between Caitians and Humans. Whatever the reason, it really bugs me...

    I remember a while ago people commented that "LAW" had human ears even though he was supposed to be a Romulan...maybe it's a variant of the Klingon Augment Virus that turns everyone into a more humanish humanoid on that planet.;)
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