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  • playhard88playhard88 Member Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Oh stop crying...

    Role a Romulan tac for your premade.

    Feds shouldn't be flying escorts anyway... its not cannon. :)

    Seriously though... the Rom ships are fairly well balanced... the JHAS is still the best escort as far as having a perfect balance of everything goes.

    Mother of fanboys....

    I been playing my 2 tactical captians for years, why should i leave them and start a new romulan? And what if i don't want to play as romulan, i like feds and klinks, romulans are conspirative TRIBBLE. With that logic in mind remove the option of be tactical as FED/KDF...

    The JHAS is a lockbox ship, so is avaiable for anyone. And the romulans tactical ships are really god (5 tactical consoles, battle cloak, perfect boff layout), i really don't understand the ppl that say that they have bad ships

    You are the clearly example of how people dosn't care about balance, they only care about them: "I fly a romulan, so who cares if they are unbalanced right? as long as it benefit me, is ok"

    p.d: escorts are not cannon? maybe u should rewatch some series again, starting with DS9 when u will see lots of escorts.
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  • riyottriyott Member Posts: 68 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    playhard88 wrote: »
    Mother of fanboys....

    I been playing my 2 tactical captians for years, why should i leave them and start a new romulan? And what if i don't want to play as romulan. With that logic in mind remove the option of be tactical as FED/KDF....

    The JHAS is a lockbox ship, so is avaiable for anyone. And the romulans tactical ships are really god (5 tactical consoles, battle cloak, perfect boff layout), i really don't understand the ppl that say that they have bad ships

    p.d: escorts are not cannon? maybe u should rewatch some series again, starting with DS9 when u will see lots of escorts.

    If you don't want to get with the times, it's your loss. Personally, putting my Romulan in a JHAS was a great decision, the crit makes it great. I also tried flying a Galor, but putting my Spiral Wave Disruptors on my Scimitar whenever they come out will be fun.
  • edna#7310 edna Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    riyott wrote: »
    If you don't want to get with the times, it's your loss. Personally, putting my Romulan in a JHAS was a great decision, the crit makes it great. I also tried flying a Galor, but putting my Spiral Wave Disruptors on my Scimitar whenever they come out will be fun.

    Personally making my main toon in which I invested time and money a sheet compared to a romulan in the same ship is NOT a great decision.The critH(H from chance thou at over 20% that is NOT a chance ...crit is a fact at that rate) makes cryptic look like Ronald McDonald clown.

    also forcing me to have to play a romulan wont make me play one.
  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Romulans are pretty fun with ambushing but my KDF bug still does better in pvp, has no problem taking any Romulans out and hardly dies to them. All that is needed is more space traits available on boffs, and to make some available outside of fleet holdings through the doff system and by leveling.
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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    playhard88 wrote: »
    Mother of fanboys....

    I been playing my 2 tactical captians for years, why should i leave them and start a new romulan? And what if i don't want to play as romulan, i like feds and klinks, romulans are conspirative TRIBBLE. With that logic in mind remove the option of be tactical as FED/KDF...

    The JHAS is a lockbox ship, so is avaiable for anyone. And the romulans tactical ships are really god (5 tactical consoles, battle cloak, perfect boff layout), i really don't understand the ppl that say that they have bad ships

    You are the clearly example of how people dosn't care about balance, they only care about them: "I fly a romulan, so who cares if they are unbalanced right? as long as it benefit me, is ok"

    p.d: escorts are not cannon? maybe u should rewatch some series again, starting with DS9 when u will see lots of escorts.

    Because you have never flown one obviously.

    Its easy to say -40 power isn't a draw back if you have never tried to fly a ship with -40 power. :)

    Don't worry in 1-2 months they will add Superior Op Engi and Sci boffs to the embassy and it will go back to fed/klink JHAS online again.

    And yes escorts are not cannon you should watch DS9 again yes.... where the Federation HID from there own people that they had a Warship program... and used the term Escort.

    The federation isn't about war. :P Even the Fed leaders knew that if they admitted they where building warships there own people would be unhappy. (I mean its the plot of how many DS9 Episodes and even the new JJ movie)
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  • ashgrey77xashgrey77x Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    playhard88 wrote: »
    Mother of fanboys....

    I been playing my 2 tactical captians for years, why should i leave them and start a new romulan? And what if i don't want to play as romulan, i like feds and klinks, romulans are conspirative TRIBBLE. With that logic in mind remove the option of be tactical as FED/KDF...

    The JHAS is a lockbox ship, so is avaiable for anyone. And the romulans tactical ships are really god (5 tactical consoles, battle cloak, perfect boff layout), i really don't understand the ppl that say that they have bad ships

    You are the clearly example of how people dosn't care about balance, they only care about them: "I fly a romulan, so who cares if they are unbalanced right? as long as it benefit me, is ok"

    p.d: escorts are not cannon? maybe u should rewatch some series again, starting with DS9 when u will see lots of escorts.

    You mean the ONE and only Federation ship classified as a "Escort", the Defiant. Cause that's it. There are no other Fed "Escorts". They are ALL cruisers including the Sabre, Akira, and Prommy. The Defiant is a warship, the Federation doesn't build "Warships" so they classified it as a "Escort" to bypass the whole Warship controversy. There are no other Fed "Escorts" in Star Trek canon only the Defiant. The escort as it stands in STO is a creation of Cryptic so we can have a holy trinity system of captains. DPS, CC/Heals, Tank/Heals.
  • playhard88playhard88 Member Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    this is incredible, ppl try to justifty the unbalance arguing is something is cannon or not.... for god sake, for role playing go to another subforum. Here you have gorns flying tholian carriers ok? there is no cannon, this is pvp forum.
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  • eisenw0lfeisenw0lf Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Powerlevels are really not much of an issue for Romulans. If you know how, there are many ways to keep them up high. My Fleet Mogai has always three subsystems at ~125 in combat.

    As KDF player I can see why so many players are upset about the new Romulan faction and their obvious advantages. My BoP had to pay a high price in survivability and damagepotential (-1 weaponslot) to get its battlecloak and then suddenly Romulans get them for ALL their ships in exchange for a measly amount of subsystem power, and on top of that the Romulan battlecloak is even superior to the Klingon version. Also Romulans get access to BOffs which are far more powerful than all the other species in this game. Feds and KDF can only get a downgraded version of them (with only one trait) for huge fleet credit and dilithium costs.

    I'm a huge fan of Romulans and I always wanted to play them in STO, but I'm disgusted by all these Rom-players running rampant on the forums these days claiming that there are no imbalances in the new faction and it's all working fine. Everyone who has at least a tiny understanding of STOs game mechanics should immediatly see that the new Romulans and their ships are a lot more powerful than everything the other two factions get. For PvP in particular this simply takes the joy out of victory for me as long as I know that my ship has so much more potential than many of those I'm shooting at.
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Hmmm what? They have escorts with top tier hull / shield mods, flexibility, average turn rate and 5 tact consoles PLUS they have a +50% def battlecloak...
    dont forget crew size...
  • cerritourugcerritourug Member Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    playhard88 wrote: »
    Yeah, poor romulans, the Ha'feh is a JHAS with cloak...poor of them. When you have battle cloak, you don't need 55 turn rate, and with the lastest changes (and the upcomming neutronium+rcs consoles) u will have more turn rate that u will need, there is no diference in turn rate when u can do an almost instant 360.
    And why u don't compare them with the KDF tactical ships? it will make you cry...


    Agree 100% with you.

    Oh stop crying...

    Role a Romulan tac for your premade.

    That is your argument? If something is Op just use it? Ok, lets all use graviton..


    To said the true, I have 0 hope that cryptic do something.. Cryptic math is pretty simple, if is new, its need to be op. Romulan are the new thing, they need to be op and fun to the PVE craw, in 1 year is going to be the cardassians and so on.

    They not even care about balance because they dont care about PVP.
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  • blockbustersblockbusters Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013

    They not even care about balance because they dont care about PVP.

    The whining in this thread is making me cringe so much...
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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    playhard88 wrote: »
    this is incredible, ppl try to justifty the unbalance arguing is something is cannon or not.... for god sake, for role playing go to another subforum. Here you have gorns flying tholian carriers ok? there is no cannon, this is pvp forum.

    You are the one arguing about the Ships... when you admit yourself this is about Boff traits.

    The boff traits are powerful NO doubt... and NO argument.

    However lets get real... they will add the Boff traits to Boffs in the Embassy soon enough... and then Fed Escort will rein supreme again.

    Use the in between time to role your own Romulan its quite fun.

    The ships are interesting yes... and make great spike ships.

    If you want to fly sci or engi Fed is still the way to go.

    The Fed Tacs... will get the boff boost in a future patch... so ya suck it up.
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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    That is your argument? If something is Op just use it? Ok, lets all use graviton..

    The OP isn't arguinig that its OP... he is arguing that he can't do the same on his 2 year old fed toon that he has a JHAS on.

    So ya I say suck it up.

    We all know the boffs will be coming to a Fed near you shortly anyway... and all the JHAS will come back out. Yaaaaa joy

    I think of it this way...

    Until the feds and klinks get the Operatives in the embassy... the NEW romulan toons that don't have full tier 5 reps can keep pace... by the time they have there rep... the feds will get the Crit Boffs and everyone will be happy.
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  • playhard88playhard88 Member Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    You are the one arguing about the Ships... when you admit yourself this is about Boff traits.

    i'm not arguing about the ships, i'm just giving answer to those says that romulans have bad ships so its ok to them to be op.
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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    playhard88 wrote: »
    i'm not arguing about the ships, i'm just giving answer to those says that romulans have bad ships so its ok to them to be op.

    Ah ok sorry my bad then. lol

    I won't say the ships are bad... but there not any better then the fed ships no.

    Yes the big H looks a lot like a JHAS on paper... but I can tell you its no JHAS... it is still inferior. It is closer then the klink and fed fleet options sure... but really its to big its still to slow... and the -40 really does matter. I mean I can peg the power on my JHAS to 125 in 3 systems constantly.

    The real issue comes down to the Boffs....

    On that one. I think we can all see Embassy tier 4 coming pretty soon here.

    Until it does... hey the Low rep romulans can hang with there 3 year old tricked out friends.

    Once people start running full boats of S Ops on there Tier 5 Reped Feds it will get a bit more interesting... then we can look at those boff traits.

    Of course .... how much you wanna bet that the Tier 4 Embassy Upgrade will include Humans with Superior Leadership ? ;)
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  • playhard88playhard88 Member Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Ah ok sorry my bad then. lol

    I won't say the ships are bad... but there not any better then the fed ships no.

    Yes the big H looks a lot like a JHAS on paper... but I can tell you its no JHAS... it is still inferior. It is closer then the klink and fed fleet options sure... but really its to big its still to slow... and the -40 really does matter. I mean I can peg the power on my JHAS to 125 in 3 systems constantly.

    The real issue comes down to the Boffs....

    On that one. I think we can all see Embassy tier 4 coming pretty soon here.

    Until it does... hey the Low rep romulans can hang with there 3 year old tricked out friends.

    Once people start running full boats of S Ops on there Tier 5 Reped Feds it will get a bit more interesting... then we can look at those boff traits.

    Of course .... how much you wanna bet that the Tier 4 Embassy Upgrade will include Humans with Superior Leadership ? ;)

    tier5 reputation dosn't give u anything special, the good space pasives are in tier 2 and 4.

    About superior leadership, they can make "ultra superior max leadership" and it will be still useless with the current state of leadership
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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    playhard88 wrote: »
    tier5 reputation dosn't give u anything special, the good space pasives are in tier 2 and 4.

    About superior leadership, they can make "ultra superior max leadership" and it will be still useless with the current state of leadership

    They can make a superior version do what ever they want...

    Lets be honest this is Cryptic... they had no way to make money of leadership was the main issue with it. The game is full of things far worse for balanced then that trait but they stick around cause they are part of some cash for power scheme.

    I am sure we will be seeing boff traits in another tier of the embassy.

    We know they are now planning to sell us Captain traits... and they have already started that with helmsman and precise.

    Next up boff traits... they sort of started with the embassy.

    I would assume they would continue with that... but hey they could also decide to do another Zen Store BOFF cash in as well.

    We could easily end up with a 500 zen point Reman Borg with superior inf... and Romulan Borg Sci with Superior Operative.

    My only point is... Cryptic fully plans to give the power to all 3 sides... the only question is how are they going to exchange $ for the power.
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  • mrkollinsmrkollins Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    They can make a superior version do what ever they want...

    Lets be honest this is Cryptic... they had no way to make money of leadership was the main issue with it. The game is full of things far worse for balanced then that trait but they stick around cause they are part of some cash for power scheme.

    I am sure we will be seeing boff traits in another tier of the embassy.

    We know they are now planning to sell us Captain traits... and they have already started that with helmsman and precise.

    Next up boff traits... they sort of started with the embassy.

    I would assume they would continue with that... but hey they could also decide to do another Zen Store BOFF cash in as well.

    We could easily end up with a 500 zen point Reman Borg with superior inf... and Romulan Borg Sci with Superior Operative.

    My only point is... Cryptic fully plans to give the power to all 3 sides... the only question is how are they going to exchange $ for the power.

    Are you a wizard?

    In all seriousness tough, is the next logical step to do. I don't mind paying, they have to make some money after all don't they?
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  • wildweasalwildweasal Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Most of the serious PvP players that I know which are rolling Rommies now have spent up to 100 million EC getting the best Crit boffs.

    Most would be very unhappy to see any changes.

    so? thats their fault for buying it and acting like there is not going to be a nerf....come on they nerfed the rom boffs in the embassay pretty much for the same thing did you really think th........nm .....dismissed
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  • voicesdarkvoicesdark Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I'm asking this very seriously as someone that plays a Romulan, how exactly are Roms supposedly overpowered?

    None of the Boff trait stats are going to matter once people start gearing up from the new Dilithium Mine gear and other than that the ships are on par with FED/KDF ones so honestly asking, what am I missing here that makes Roms overpowered and in need of a balance?

    Personally only thing I've noticed is my Rom ship is constantly getting hit with plasma damage from any NPC that even thinks of firing plasma weapons in my general direction.

    The concept of balance will be completely out the window the second the uber fleets top out the Dil mine gear anyways.
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  • playhard88playhard88 Member Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    voicesdark wrote: »
    I'm asking this very seriously as someone that plays a Romulan, how exactly are Roms supposedly overpowered?

    Maybe u should read the first post in this topic....
    voicesdark wrote: »
    None of the Boff trait stats are going to matter once people start gearing up from the new Dilithium Mine gear and other than that the ships are on par with FED/KDF ones so honestly asking, what am I missing here that makes Roms overpowered and in need of a balance?

    Personally only thing I've noticed is my Rom ship is constantly getting hit with plasma damage from any NPC that even thinks of firing plasma weapons in my general direction.

    The concept of balance will be completely out the window the second the uber fleets top out the Dil mine gear anyways.

    http://cdn.meme.li/instances/400x/23727973.jpg

    I think i'd saw everything with the guy trying to justify the unbalanced saying that "is cannon", but this is even better! dilithium mines for fleet are the balanced factor!!! yayyy

    U can't be serious, i guess you forgot your medicines today. Did u know that when u pick a side as romulan u get acces to all the fleet stores of your faction? super lol
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  • zarxidejackozarxidejacko Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    voicesdark wrote: »
    I'm asking this very seriously as someone that plays a Romulan, how exactly are Roms supposedly overpowered?

    None of the Boff trait stats are going to matter once people start gearing up from the new Dilithium Mine gear and other than that the ships are on par with FED/KDF ones so honestly asking, what am I missing here that makes Roms overpowered and in need of a balance?

    Personally only thing I've noticed is my Rom ship is constantly getting hit with plasma damage from any NPC that even thinks of firing plasma weapons in my general direction.

    The concept of balance will be completely out the window the second the uber fleets top out the Dil mine gear anyways.

    I am sorry but people who play Roms will be getting same consoles from their aligened uber fleets...
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  • voicesdarkvoicesdark Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I am sorry but people who play Roms will be getting same consoles from their aligened uber fleets...

    and other than the Ha'feh for Roms the main benefits will be escorts will become the demi-gods everyone has been saying they are.

    If anything needs to be balanced it's the fleet system first and foremost then after some time when the playing field levels out, then see what actually needs to be balanced if anything.
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  • magniacapramagniacapra Member Posts: 544 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    What about perfect battlecloaks on ships that have better BO, BO layouts and console layouts than anything on the Fed side, let alone KDF.

    Battlecloaks = FREE damage and massive defence bonuses every 15-30 seconds. It's TRIBBLE.
  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited June 2013
    If you want that "massive" damage them you need to divert power to weapons. This makes shields incredibly weak with low power level on Rom ships. Sounds balanced to me.
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  • magniacapramagniacapra Member Posts: 544 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    macronius wrote: »
    If you want that "massive" damage them you need to divert power to weapons. This makes shields incredibly weak with low power level on Rom ships. Sounds balanced to me.
    With the BO layouts to do perfect escort aux to bat layouts, roms don't have any issue with power levels. Mogi and Ha'feh especially
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    the free ships are weak, the $$ ships are among the best in the game

    what ship is better than T'varo Retrofit?
  • burstorionburstorion Member Posts: 1,750 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    If they nerf rom boffs, maybe they should revise the 'payment' in terms of power and turn made by rom vessels to have battlecloak - with the minium power cap lowered to 15, all you need do is get seven points in warp core and -bam- what power loss issue? If it had been left at 25 min cap, with the -40 power in regards to all subsystems, then that 40 power 'lost' would have meant it would be harder to 125 a subsystem - whereas now, I can easily 125 weapons while maintaining decent power levels in all subsystems as warp core takes the slack

    Thus the only effective 'payment' for ebc and singularity is turn rate - meanwhile most kdf ships have lost shield and hull to justify a normal cloak
  • playhard88playhard88 Member Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    voicesdark wrote: »
    and other than the Ha'feh for Roms the main benefits will be escorts will become the demi-gods everyone has been saying they are.

    If anything needs to be balanced it's the fleet system first and foremost then after some time when the playing field levels out, then see what actually needs to be balanced if anything.

    you are totally out of topic, we are talking about the benefits of romulans tactical captians been unbalanced, and you are whining about fleet holdings rewards (that are accesible to romulans too lol).
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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    With the BO layouts to do perfect escort aux to bat layouts, roms don't have any issue with power levels. Mogi and Ha'feh especially

    Aux to bat makes cloaking a stupid idea.

    You have never flown a cloaking ship I see.

    Aux to bat on a romulan is about the worst idea you could possibly have.
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