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avengerkid1993
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Romulan T4 ships requires T5 shipyard for their fleet version, while T5 ships require T3 shipyard for fleet version.
WHY devs ?
Fleet Ha'Feh (that is a T4 ship) requires T5 shipyard,
while Fleet Dhaelan, Fleet T'Varo and Fleet Mogai which retrofit version are T5 only require T3 SHIPYARD ??
WHAT ARE YOU DOING DEVS ?????????????????????????????????????????????????
I can understand that they require T3 shipyard (cause originally they were T3 or lower ships), but why T4 ships requires T5 Shipyard ????????????
WHY devs ?
Fleet Ha'Feh (that is a T4 ship) requires T5 shipyard,
while Fleet Dhaelan, Fleet T'Varo and Fleet Mogai which retrofit version are T5 only require T3 SHIPYARD ??
WHAT ARE YOU DOING DEVS ?????????????????????????????????????????????????
I can understand that they require T3 shipyard (cause originally they were T3 or lower ships), but why T4 ships requires T5 Shipyard ????????????
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This is correct. Any Ship that you get for free at lvl 40 aka Rear Admiral, Brigadier General, Subadmiral. Are all T5 Ships
Tier 1 is lvl 1-9 Rank Titles Ensign, Warrior, Civilian and Lieutenant
Tier 2 is lvl 10-19 Rank Titles Lieutenant Commander and Centurion
Tier 3 is lvl 20-29 Rank Titles Commander and Subcommander
Tier 4 is lvl 30-39 Rank Titles Captain and Commander
Tier 5 is Lvl 40-50 Rank Titles Rear Admiral, Lower Half, Brigadier General, and Subadmiral I, Rear Admiral, Upper Half, Major General, and Subadmiral II, Vice Admiral and Lieutenant General
A break Down of Rank and Tiers here http://sto.gamepedia.com/Level
Still Confuses the hell of me when people claim the Rank 40 Ships like the Ha'nom, Ha'feh and then some older pre LOR ships including the Assault Cruiser aka the Sovereign Class are Tier 4.
As some one Tried to Argue with me about the Ha'apax been a Tier 4 and the Haakona been a Tier 5. The ships have the exact same stats and settings with the only difference really that the Haakona has Apart from the Seperation console which can be used on either ship is the fact the Haakonas LTC Boff station has moved from Eng to universal. Other than that they are Identical
Your information is a little off. The B'Rel is both a T1 and a T5 c-store ship. The Nova is a Tier 2 ship. Yes, the whole darn thing is arbitrary and needs to be fixed or explained.
Patrol Escort (lvl 40 ship) --> T4 Shipyard
Armitage HEC (lvl 50 ship) --> T5 Shipyard
have you noticed the difference?
I just want to know, why a lvl 40 ship, which is EXACTLY the same as the Patrol Escort, requires a T5 shipyard.
while:
Dhelan
Mogai
T'Varo (that have enhanced battle cloak)
and have the SAME stats as T4/T5 ships
only require T3 or lower shipyard.
and please, please stop justify all the **** that devs do:
T5 shipyard is practically unattainable for me, and i don't want to spend the rest of my life in a non-fleet T4 (and also pathetic) ship.
Then Please stop confusing the Ha'feh as a T4 ship its lvl 40 so that makes it a T5 ship and actually a very powerfull ship. Any ship that is from the Lvl40 store aka RA is a T5 same as VA ships are T5 which include all the fleet ships. The Shipyard Tier for the ship just decides how much of a pain it is to get the ship you want.
Also I myself dont understand the placement the Devs picked for the Fleet refits for some ships. Example for the Fed side the Fleet Star cruiser is only a T2 shipyard for the Fleet model where the Standard ship its self is a T5 from the Dilithium store. While the Assault cruiser Fleet model is a Shipyard T5 and the basic Dilithium store one is also a T5 ship
Included below Full list of Free/Cstore T5 ships of the Fed/KDF/Rom that are all end game ships
Basic Lvl40 - All Decent ships through End Game content some better than others in PVP Used/Use Most of them and have tested them since the games launch in 2010
Fed:
KDF:
Rom:
Cross Faction:
Lvl 50 Retrofit ships - Mostly Cstore ships usualy come with some special item that can only be used on those ships or their lvl40 base model. Some are Cstore Semi Fleet grade ships with the 10 Consoles.
Fed:
KDF:
Rom:
So there is a pretty Huge amount of T5 ships that you can get for your characters. Some Free and some Cstore. Also dont forget the Roms will getting the Scimitar class soon which will be a Cstore 3-pack ship and probably follow the Odyssey and Bortasqu' with it been a semi Fleet grade ship so 10 consoles but likely to also cost 5000 Zen
Dont think the free Ha'feh for lvl40 is a pathetic ship as I've seen a fair share of them dishing it out in PVP to little or no Deaths. Those ships are power houses if you use them correctly.
The Fleet Mogai is much more powerful than the Fleet Ha'Feh, but i don't want it because it is horrendous.
The Ha'Feh is not beutiful, but the mogai is really horrendous.
ALSO: are you telling me that the Ha'Feh and the Armitage or the Kumari, are ships of the same level ?
technically, yes the yare all T5 ships,though T5 C-store ships are more commonly called +1 ships or T5.5 ships. they are stronger than the normal T5 ships, but not so much that its makes normal T5 ships obsolete.
Aye this is pretty much the Case. The Cstore VA ships do have a tiny bit more power then the non Cstore free ships. But really they arn't that big of a leap and some arnt as good IMHO example here is the Free Assault Cruiser compaired to the Bad Exploration Cruiser Retrofit. But yeah the only real big difference in stats you'll see between the free ships are the 10 console Fleet/Cstore ships (Oddy, Bort, kumari, Vesta And probably soon the Scimitar). Though the HEC (Armitage) is a little more powerful then the normal T5 escorts mostly due to having fighters its only a 9 Console ship. With its fleet version been a 10 Console.
But if your really wanting that T5 Fleet ship then I know there are some fleets out there who offer out their shipyard at a cost of Dilithium or EC just need to ask around on the forums and I'm sure one would help.
the armitage (despite having only 9 console slots) can compete the Kumari due its hangar bay (and the Torpedo Point Defense), and, in fact, it requires T5 shipyard.
and it should be so: cause the armitage is a very good ship.
but the Ha'Feh is a NORMAL SHIP.
It doesn't have something special ...
WHY THE **** THEY MAKE IT REQUIRE A T5 SHIPYARD FOR THE FLEET VERSION ?
5 Tac consoles+battlecloak.
Fleet Dhelan Warbird:
1.04 Shield Mod
5 Tac Consoles
Battle Cloak
T3 Shiyard
obvious
when i last looked through the fleet shipyard, its usual the Tier of the shipyard needed to get the fleet version is USUALLY based off the standard ships Tier, but sometimes that isnt the case wiith some of the RA/basic T5 ships showing up all over the place.
so technically for your example. it SHOULD have been a T2 shipyard ship, but since T1 is usually jsut the starter ships, they likely split the shipyards up more so you get roughly the same amount of ships per tier.
It's the most dangerous first strike setup you can find in this game.
The Defiant can only deploy a regular cloak...and then only when sacrificing a console slot.
And the Klingons don't have anything remotely as dangerous at all.
Please be honest for a second: what really annoys you?
The placement of the ships or the fact that you can't get the ship you want?
Because it has always been arbitrary which ship goes on which shipyard tier.
It's eems to be more based on how interested peeps might be in a ship than anything else.
The Nova is 2 tiers above the Olympic in the fleet yard scale while on reguler tiers the nova is one tier below the Olympic.
Don't forget that most of the T5 C-store Ships with 10 consoles do not have Fleet Refit variants.
As for the shipyard tier, how invested are you in your fleet? In both my fleets, I seem to be the only player who is contributing anything to the fleetbase projects. Yes that means it will take a long time, but time is what most people have when they play this game. Without something to draw you back to the game, most players would have left a long time ago and only diehard Star Trek fans such as myself would remain.
I'm in the same boat for my fleet. Started off with a group of 8 RL friends but overtime they have all drifted from the game. So mainly me just active now in my fleet across a few alts that have taken the station onto Tier 2 solo. But I'm in no rush to get the fleet ships I'm more then happy with what I have from the free/Cstore ships.
I believe you can reduce that number to "none".;)
And any ship RA and above is considered Tier V. Any Fleet ship is considered 5.5, in addition to the Odyssey, Bort, and a few others. That's how tiering works in this game.
Sufficed to say, there are very VERY easy ways to get access to Tier V shipyards, even if your fleet isn't Tier V. So I don't see the problem here OP.
Last I checked, there were fleets that were giving access to Tier V shipyards as low as 5 mil ECs per ship. Add on the 4 FSMs (or one depending on if you have c-store refits etc), that is only a 10-25 mil EC cost. That's pretty cheap considering the cost of most lockbox ships on the exchange.
So stop complaining.
and I'm really disappointed about this.
also i'm really disappointed about you that justify all the **** that devs do.
I don't understand how this can still be confusing people.
The shipyard levels were based, for Fed and KDF, off a sort of arbitrary scale of how desirable and powerful the ships were along with how "advanced" their tech was. The B'rel has a super advanced (by KDF standards) cloaking system, and was also a very desirable ship (still is). Also, at the time (we are talking pre-kumari) the HEC was the most common and desirable escort. This is all sort of aside the point, because what we are talking about is the Romulan ships.
The romulan ships have a very, very predictable and simple formula for what level shipyard the fleet versions are available at.
T1 Warbird => Fleet Version available at T1 Shipyard. (T'varo - if you need to know why the T'liss isn't available as a fleet version please refer to one of countless T5 connie threads)
T2 Warbird => Fleet Version available at T2 Shipyard.(Dhelan and Dhael)
T3 Warbird => Fleet Version available at T3 Shipyard. (Mogai and Valdore)
T4 Warbird => Fleet Version available at T4 Shipyard. (D'D and D'Dth)
T5 Warbirds => Fleet Version available at T5 Shipyard. (Ha'apax, Ha'feh, and Ha'nom)
This is one of the decisions that they made that made the most sense ever. Period.
Ignore the retrofits for these purposes. The retrofits existed so that people could fly more than just the ha'apax and haakona in T5 based on the original model. (Keep in mind that your precious Ha'feh never even existed as a ship on its own - you would have been flying it around with sci vessel or cruiser boffs/consoles - until just before release.)
Now, if I had to guess, you just are upset because you are impatient and want your 5 tac console, battle cloaking patrol escort immediately. Thats not the devs pulling "****".
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The Fleet Mogai and Fleet Dhelan are not more powerful. They are different. Different doesn't mean better, it means different.
There are things you can do with the Fleet Ha'feh that you can't do with either of the other two ships you mentioned. You can't do a decloaking BO3 + THY3 + APO3 with the other two, but can do other things instead. It's all about orientation. The Fleet Ha'feh is the most tactically heavy of the three, the Mogai is the most engineering oriented, and the Fleet Dhelan is the most scientifically oriented.
And why are you so worked up over this? If you want a Fleet Mogai or Fleet Dhelan and think they are so much better, they are easy to get, so just shut up and get them.
The tier 1 ship while leveling, the T'Varo, has its fleet version in the T1 Shipyard
The tier 2 ship while leveling, the Dhelan, has its fleet version in the T2 Shipyard
The tier 3 ship while leveling, the Mogai, has its fleet version in the T3 Shipyard
The tier 4 ship while leveling, the D'Deridex, has its fleet version in the T4 Shipyard
The tier 5 ships while leveling, the Ha'apax, Ha'nom, Ha'feh, have their fleet versions in the T5 shipyard.
It seems that the dev reasoning is pretty justifiable.
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Fleet_Dhelan_Warbird_Retrofit
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Fleet_Ha%27feh_Assault_Warbird
Now look CAREFULLY at:
- SHIELD MOD
- HULL
- CONSOLE LAYOUT
- BOFF LAYOUT
Fleet Mogai and Fleet Dhelan are better then the Fleet Ha'Feh STOP.
Fleet Mogai:
I'v always dreamed about a ship with that configuration, but I don't like its look, I really hate its look.
Fleet Dhelan:
Very nice configuration and very good look, but i don't like its Boff layout.
Fleet Ha'Feh:
Very Nice Configuration, nice look and good Boff Layout.
I'd like to take the Fleet Mogai, but I really hate its look.
Do you understand now ?
We understand perfectly, the ship you want is hard to get if you don't have access to a T5 shipyard, so you are tossing a tantrum about it.
I bet if you asked around you could find a fleet willing to loan you the use of their T5 shipyard so you can purchase the warbird you want. While some people might give you flak for asking, there are also a lot of great people in the game that understand how hard it is for many fleets to get to T5 and would be willing to help, assuming you have the fleet modules you need.
Need more be said.
Quit it with this pointless complaining and just find a fleet willing to give shipyard access.
I am in complete agreement and moreover I think they should really go back and put all the other ships in the fleet yards to a similar scale. It is not the Romulan ships which are confusing it is the stupid way they allocated the Fed/Klink ships that is the confusing and badly done part.
It is quite funny how the Fleet Star Cruiser (fleet version of a tier 5 ship) only requires I believe a Tier 2 shipyard, whereas the Fleet Assault Cruiser (fleet version of a tier 5 ship) requires a Tier 5 shipyard. And the Fleet Patrol Escort (again, tier 5) requires a Tier 1 shipyard. Makes perfect sense to me... NOT.