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Man of Steel......What did you think of it?
hawkwing43
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I am going to see this movie over the weekend, and I can't wait. But I figure for all you that seen it, why not tell the rest of us your thoughts?
I am not worried about spoilers, but if you do post them, DON'T FORGET TO WARNS US! lol
I am not worried about spoilers, but if you do post them, DON'T FORGET TO WARNS US! lol
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OK, well, my Darling wife and I , went and saw it yesterday , and so here is my review of it:
First off, they RUINED Superman. Completely Destroyed the great kind "world's biggest boy-scout"--(as he was known in the good comics of the 90s and 80s as), they Utterly destroyed every particle of his Good image, and turned it into Shreds of dirt.
Let's start at the beginning of the movie and work through out it to the end.
(And I know there will be , no doubt many whom disagree with me, those whom adore the tough cruel darkside "hero's" that today's ugly money-making world has set up all over for people to like). I miss the good ol days, when a good guy was a good guy, and a bad guy was a bad guy. Anyways onwards with the review:
The Beginning: like always, EVERYONE is wearing Black. (Just like in ALL movies of today, no one wears anything with colour anymore...talk about dull or what, guess it ain't 'cool' to) Anyhow, Jor-el, supermans father, is talking with the Council, and then the evil General Zod, smashes in with his goons. And of course they also wear black...(if everyone wears black....who the heck is the bad guy? can't there be some sort of change?)
The world of Krypton looks very different than the original Superman movie (and story of the comics). This one isn't cold looking, it's more like my wife said , the "Avatar movie", not that there's jungle everywhere, yet it's just got that same feel to it , the land looks primitive and Superman's father, Jor-el, flys on a weird Avatar like creature...
Alrighty, (so as not to make this post too long, I won't go into as much detail as I'd prefer to), yet General Zod ends up fighting Jor-el in the chamber area that Baby Superman is in , as the little ship takes off...
Zod kills Jor-el (Superman's father)!!!!!!????!!!!???!!!!! (that never happened in the old story)
, then gets captured by the authorities and sent off to the Phantom zone (later it's revealed that his group were freed from the explosion of Krypton).
So anyways, there's the poor mother of Superman, standing alone on the world of Krypton, as she watches the world get destroyed due to itse Core failing. MUCH unlike the original movie/story.
There's No beginning credits (as always with this pathetic "director" whom seems to get pleasure not only in ruining the Batman characters in his other movies, but now has ruined Superman, the man who's suppose to stand for "Truth, Justice, and the American way").
Meanwhile this new "Superman" is more for "hiding, lieing, and the murdering way"...
So anyhow, there's no great beginning music or anything... which is what really makes a movie get you interested in it at first , or at least it does for me anyhow. The old Superman movie, the music got you excited right away, you almost expected Superman to fly out towards you as the credits rolled.
With that music, you knew Superman was around, and that he stood for Good.
Right, so I won't say everything that happens in the movie , yet basically, his earth father, dies MUCH differently than the one of the original story. A Tornado (twister), comes along while they are all sitting in traffic, ......OH and meanwhile just before then, Superman says to him , something the REAL one would NEVER say to his earth father, which is , in a real kid-like bratty attitude (even though he's about 18 here), something like "your not my father, and your nothing but some idiot who found me, go and die!"
Well then he gets his wish,....what the?????
So a "twister" comes out and everyone runs from the cars, then the father decides to go back for the dog.... and as the twister is about to eat up the father, he puts his hand up to tell Clark (superman) not to save him....... so as not to reveal himself....
Meanwhile, in the original story, he died of a normal thing that old people die of...
Which made ALOT more sense...
Oh, Clark also finds out about where he's from , when he comes across a buried ship.... and Lois Lane just so happens to follow him there ... so that she finds out about him as he does......
So from the start, Lois Lane researches him and finds out who he is by going to the Kent farm eventually. And so she knows his identity from the beginning !?!?!?!!...... YEAH.. I know!!! Someone "give me a WHAT WHAT" ?!?!?
The outfit that "Superman" wears, is NOTHING like the REAL Superman. It looks more like a Dark swimsuit that Aquaman would wear if he changed his colours to DarkBlue. This
thing is so close to Black, that they should have just made it Black..completely.
What is the fear about wearing Colours in movies today?!?!?????????? WHAT IS IT???????
DOES everybody have such a big ego and fear of what others think that they don't want to wear anything that is not "neutral"?
Basically though, the badguys, general zod, and his dork squad, arrive and invade earth, and demands "Superman" give himself to them.
There's a big battle of course, and nearly the entire earth seems destroyed....
In the end of it, "Superman" does something to save some people. Let me set this up as to how it was in the movie first....
"Superman has Zod in, like a neck, choke hold. "Superman" behind him, and zod, kneeling in front of him, his head locked in Supes arms.
Zod is shooting out Heat vision and slowly coming towards the people stuck there...
NOW, THIS is where , in the comics that I use to read at least, the REAL Superman would , Fly Both him and his enemy into the sky, far high into the sky,to get the enemy away from the people, so saving them and NOT killing his enemy, for Superman did NOT believe in killing AT ALL.
Yeppers, you can guess where this is heading...
Well folks, in THIS movie, "Superman" decides to Snap Zods neck, killing him !!!!!
(ahem....darts- eyes up then down......)
oh, also, it was right in front of some children and their parents as well.... (when he could have done instead what I said, quit easily, just fly up into the sky with zod, but of COURSE Murder was more THIS "Superman"'s dark 'cool' style).
God forbid if the director made a Good guy for the "Hero" of the story.
Then in the end, he finally comes in as glasses wearing Clark Kent to the Daily planet, that's the ONLY time you see Clark Kent, which is sad, cause I always felt that Clark Kent was JUST as important a character as Superman himself.
(NO BODY played a more accurate and Better Clark Kent And Superman than the dear ol; Christopher Reeve, God Bless and Rest his soul).
So Yeppers, there ya have it folks, in a "nutshell" ..(which is where the director and writer of this movie should be in), is the new "Superman" movie.
They made Superman into a murdering bratty attitude dorky killer, who enjoys wearing a dark aquaman like outfit.
This is NOT Superman, instead I see him as "Azbats", or "Jean-Paul-Valley" the person who took over as Batman when Bruce Wayne had his back broken, back in the Knights trilogy comic book series.
The unfortunate thing is, the Real Superman is not coming back to the films, he's been lost from us for many years now, and his dear soul is resting now.
Christopher Reeve is and was the Real Superman, and Always will be, the only movie that showed respect to that and did a great job with trying to replay it, was the movie "Superman Returns".
God Bless you all .
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing by the way.
Have you considered that this Superman, is young, (in his hero days that is), of course he'll make mistakes, other things, and not carry out actions which an established Superman hero would do.
{SPOILERS} Please highlight text to view.
After killing Zod, in my opinion that is when he makes his promise to never kill again, or so, that is how I see it as.
I've heard that the emotions shown during that scene, or soon after support the idea that Superman doesn't want to do it, yet he does - for the "greater good" or something. That is when he promises to never kill again.
The ending scene/shot of Clark Kent (like you mention) entering the Daily planet - I haven't seen the film, but this suggests it's his first day at work.
Suggesting a prequel-like story, where Superman is establishing himself who he is, what he has learnt from his experience and who he'll become.
So for a sequel (if any, and c'mon, there will be), then is when I think you'll see "your" Superman.
You also have to remember we're in 2013 now, things move on and get reinvented. The suit for example, I rather like it. This movie is meant to be set in the "real world" kind of environment, and I believe that this suit would be taken seriously by the public, instead of some guy wearing underwear outside of his leggins.
This video from BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-22901273
It highlights one of the reasoning behind the suit, and it's appearance, and I admit, I have to agree with Henry Cavill.
As long as theres a justification, and a valid reasoning to change, or, more like - improving or reinventing a beloved character, you have to respect that and take it in.
No real diolage, no real plot(cover Zod's eye's with your hand Superman - duh - save alot of time) no charater development, stupid flashbacks telling a story, explosions for no reason but explosion.
AKA most movies these days.
But that is what they produce - movies for men/boys who never grow up.
In an interesting not - a new study found that women do not stop maturing now until 32 and men an astonishing 43!
Also in a survey of 10,000 Women found that 8 out of 10 believe that men never stop being children!
hence the movie should do fairly well.
the movie is not perfect and is tryin to squeeze so much into the openin hour that it has a rushed feelin to it but that is understandable as its trying to cram "superman 1&2" story into one movie....they are tryin to give a superman origin story, daily planet & lois lane intro as well as a badass enemy in general Zod all into 2 hours of movie
so yeah there are lot of things that feel rushed but i just took it as we all know the superman origin story, we all know that he and lois will end up together....and we dont need to see that story again and was happy enough on how they progressed the movie along so we could get to the real action and that is were the movie shines
someone posted above bout his suit been all wrong, IMO i love the new suit it makes more sense like this then the tights and underwear look and also they took this suit from the NEW 52 comics that DC started a couple years ago now....check out here
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/supermakeover-dc-comics-unveils-new-52-rebooting-batman-superman-universe-article-1.951644
im a happy with this reboot and look forward to the next one that will hopefully be better from a story and character point of view while still maintainin the great action of this film now that they have gotten the origin story, lois and daily planet out of the way
if your a superman fan go see this
Being once a Boy Scout myself, this provided people like me with a superhero who stood for the same values I was taught to uphold. The classic good vs evil....no cursing, antihero attitude, or playing at adult situations, he was a true and confident rolemodel, even if he was fiction. Thats why that (S) is the most recognised symbol in the world for the classic hero.
I couldn't have said it better myself. I agree Fully with you Catstar. I looked up to the good ol (Real) Superman, in the good ol comics and the Only one who played Superman best, which is Christopher Reeve.
Superman stood for Values (which don't mean a thing to many of the people of the current era, and is something that has been lost and sadly forgotten.)
Well said with Everything Catstar.
<Salutes Catstar>
This^^^ 100% this. They claim the are changing things to keep up with todays darker values - why - to make money - that is sad.
***SPOILER WARNING***
When he's a teen and snaps at his father, he immediately backtracks and calls him "dad."
The one person he kills in this movie is because he had absolutely no choice. He begged the person to stop and the person wouldn't. Then, after the person dies, he's completely devastated by it. In Superman II, Christopher Reeve's Superman kills Zod and his henchmen and is just totally happy about it.
He always does the right thing in this movie. He surrenders to the gov't as a show of friendship and the only reason he's even discovered is because he spent his entire life anonymously helping people.
***END SPOILERS***
I honestly can't think of a single decision he made in this movie that the Donner Superman wouldn't have done.
Also, I should point out that this is not a remake of the Donner Superman movies and those movies were not the "originals" (as I'm seeing them called here).
To me, this Superman felt exactly like the 1940's Superman in pretty much every way. He even began by "leaping buildings in a single bound" instead of flying.
To the folks who are refusing to watch this because of reviews, let me just say there are others who don't agree with those interpretations of this movie at all. This movie is more realistic (in some ways), but it's not - in my opinion - darker. Grittier, maybe, but not darker.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130612111557AA4IQOV
I won't call it a perfect film, but it was a solid Superman reboot. If I had to complain, I have to say I've never been a fan of the whole unsteady camera gimmick. I find it annoying and tiring on my eyes.
All I keep hearing is that, "They ruined Superman's character", or "The suit sucks", or "He's not good enough", or Spoiler: "Superman doesn't kill anyone, ever!"
(except that one time in the comics when he totally did hill Zod, Faora, and Non with Kryptonite, because of pretty much the exact same reasons he did now in "Man of Steel").He's also shown to be incredibly cool with just ripping apart robots (no matter how sentient and alive they may or may not be), and will also completely wreck an alien monster or three every now and then. So yeah, pretty sure Superman is completely fine with killing things sometimes, just never cool with offing "things that look too much like human peoples".
None of these are actual reasons, really. They just strike me as the whines of people who don't like their comics or movies messed with. As if this new movie somehow invalidates all previous iterations of the character, burns the comics, and deletes the older media.
I am a huge Superman fan, and this was a really good Superman movie.
He hit all the right notes. He even hit notes that you don't see in the comics too much.
It's tricky to write well for a character like Superman. He's usually fighting Huge Impossible Odds, and you can't mess with him mentally too well, either. He's the guy that Gets Better, no matter how much you rock his world, and traditionally speaking (in movies), those kinds of characters are really unpopular. People don't like them. They like their Batman's and their Iron Man's and their Spider-Man's. People who have entire psychological issues and quirks as foundations of their personalities (obsessed with vengeance, easily falls into destructive habits, severe lack of self-confidence, et cetra). We like watching these messed-up heroes because we can relate to them to varying degrees, and because they make us feel better about ourselves.
But none of that sticks to the Man of Steel.
Because that's not Superman, and can be boring. Where's his endgame, as a character?
So you gotta poke him, and prod him, and watch how he cracks, ever so slightly. But also watch how he gets better.
And hopefully, watch him have a fantastic fight or two along the way (because WHY NOT).
Because he really is the Guy That Gets Better. He's the guy that shows us how to be better, even if it looks like we'll never be that. He'll wait. He won't even be mad. He'll be happy for us.
And this movie did all that.
They even depicted how incredibly nice and patient he is, even with the army people actively trying to fight him (during the entire Non and Faora fight, for example). How he just kinda sighed and waited, spoke very calmly and in a very understanding manner.
They even showed how he will flip the frak out when he even suspects people are messing with his parents, because other than tugging on his cape, you do not mess with his parents.
Spoiler: And I gotta say, even though Pa Kent once again doesn't make it to the end of the movie, dude went out like a G. And his death this time around was just as powerful (if not more so) than a simple heart-attack (a thing that Superman potentially can't stop either, normally).
So yeah, honestly, so far very few of the criticisms of this movie have struck me as legitimate in any way, and really just sound more like obtuse whining. And it can be criticized. The pacing of it was kind weird at the beginning, but hey, it worked either way. And it was mostly to get around a bunch of the central conceits of the character that are already incredibly public knowledge. One could also argue that the amount of destruction in the movie was also somewhat ridiculous, but honestly, what would you expect out of a Superman movie where the bad guys are also from the same place he is.
Anyways, those are my thoughts on it. You all can take away from that what you will, or not; I could care less.
As it stands, I'm headin' to bed! To those that enjoyed the movie: Great! To those that didn't: go read more Superman comics, and quit being lame.
superman films, tv series and comics are way beyond cheesy from time to time, a big muscle man wearing a skin tight latex outfit with a cod piece is just something im not comfortable watching or seeing, if the acting is wooden and its mostly cgi and bad light reflections, i also dont wanna know.
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And as for destroying Zod's ship and everyone on it, he's been responsible for the instructions or advice that lead to other heroes or normal humans killing a LOT more - he's never projected his rules onto others and if his allies kill his enemies he's never been particularly broken up about it.
There is one really annoying thing in the movie, though, and it's not been mentioned in this thread:
Lois Lane spends half of the movie tracking down Superman. She finds his home town, interviews his mother, visits his father's grave, and learns his real name. Which is all well and good.
However, end of the movie, Clark Kent shows up at the Daily Planet looking for a job and she doesn't recognize him. I mean, I know canonically there's more to his disguise than just those glasses and a quick pass with a comb, but at this point Lois Lane already knows that Superman is Clark Kent, but fails to realize that Clark Kent is Clark Kent.
As for your first point about killing Zod, I totally agree. He actually felt horrible remorse for doing it, even though he had absolutely no choice.
I also don't understand the whole "He's dark" argument. He's absolutely not a dark character in this movie. He lives his entire life being kind, gentle, and anonymously helping people. That's how Lois found him, after all.
As for your one complaint, this should make you happy... she did recognize him. The whole ending was her agreeing to keep his secret for him. There was a knowing smile from both of them in that scene. She was just pretending. I can see how you'd think that, because it was a very subtle scene, but yeah... she totally knew who he was.
Snyder decided to let Lois know his identity in this franchise because he really couldn't figure out how to make her oblivious without seeming like an idiot. I support that decision.
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Is that how you took that scene? She absolutely recognized him but kept her reaction subtle. As the new Daily Planet employee is being introduced, she says to him "welcome to the Planet" - this has special meaning between them.
Returns claimed it was a sequel, but it was really a remake of the first Superman. A remake (in my opinion) we didn't need.
Tell me what movie I'm describing:
The world doesn't have Superman. Lex Luthor comes up with a big real estate scam that could cause the deaths of millions.
One day, Lois Lane is in a flying vehicle that crashes. Superman saves her from the crash, revealing himself to the world. When he saves her, he explains that flying is still the safest way to travel, statistically speaking.
Then, there's a sequence of Superman saving a bunch of people and fighting crime.
The world goes crazy for Superman and the Daily Planet is desperate for an interview. One night, Lois is on the roof of a building and Superman comes to her. He tells her his backstory and gives her an interview. He also makes comments about her smoking and checks her lungs with x-ray vision. He then takes her on a flight across Metropolis.
It looks like Lex's real estate plan is going to work, and it causes massive destruction. Superman goes around saving people, but it's really too much destruction.
Eventually, Superman goes to stop Lex Luthor's real estate plan, but Lex tricks Superman into exposing himself to Kryptonite.
Just before dying, Superman is rescued and using a massive show of power, Superman stops Lex's plan.
Everybody is saved and Superman celebrates by flying around the world.
Did I just describe Superman: The Movie or Superman Returns? I mean, I wasn't vague. Obviously, this isn't the plot to Superman 2, 3, or 4, or any other movie. But was it the first Superman or Superman Returns? I mean, I gave a detailed description, complete with real estate crimes, specific scenes, overall plot, and even direct lines.
Don't get me wrong, I liked Superman Returns. But it felt completely and totally unnecessary. I'd rather just watch Superman: The Movie again.
It's a very good movie... it's just not..., In My Opinion..., a Great Superman movie.
Waaayy to much fighting in the second half of the movie throughout Metropolis, which made the character of Superman seem oblivious and uncaring about all the innocent bystanders (and there must have been thousands) being killed and left the city pretty much leveled.
I can't imagine the residents that survive will be so grateful when the death-toll starts to sink in.
I also was taken aback by the callous way Zod was dispatched...
To me, there seemed to be no obvious lead up too the point where Superman seems to try to avoid doing this...
It just happens.
And his angst the moment afterward, seemed a bit contrived. (to me anyway)
It seemed like the writers and the director just decided to have Superman kill Zod and that was that.
I also found the death of Pa Kent to be quite contrived...
It was like he purposely went after the dog knowing that he was putting himself at risk to see if his son would attempt to save him.
There were any number of ways that Clark could have saved his father at that point.
It almost seems like Costner wanted a flashy ending for the character, instead of a dull death-by-natural-causes.
The emotion they were striving for was wasted, because we all know, that this death could have been prevented from the get go.
Having Pa Kent die from a massive heart-attack or such, is much more poignant as it would be something that a Superman could not prevent.
They purposely talk about GOD as a factor in the unfolding events of the movie during one scene, but then go with Mother Nature as the means to kill him... it just didn't ring true for me.
The first half of the movie is very engrossing, I loved all the extra stuff about Krypton that they added and Clark's journey to discover himself.
Although, I was quite disappointed that Jenny Olsen was basically in the movie to be a screaming damsel-in-distress and that Perry White wasn't used more.
The second half of the movie is where they lost me...
Just way too much gratuitous violence.
I left the theater feeling sadder than when I entered and that is not what I expect from SUPERMAN.
(Batman is much more suited for that kind of thing.)
I'm kinda glad I'll most likely be in the minority about this, as Superman to me, has always been a character that one expects to lift ones spirit when entering that universe...,
Not leave me feeling depressed.
<shrug>
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All reasonable complaints. For the record, just because I disagree doesn't mean I think you're wrong. We're talking about opinions here, after all, so personal perception plays a big role.
That said, I think many of the complaints on this movie are about the world it's set in, not Superman himself.
To me, Superman was every bit the same person he's always been, and the action (in my opinion) was well-done and riveting. I mean, Superman debuted to the world in Action Comics, after all.
I don't think it's Superman that has people a little taken aback in Man of Steel... I think it's the world he lives in.
Donner's movies were great, but they weren't set in in a reality that even remotely resembled the real world. They were set in this strange mix of the 1950s and the 1980s where henchmen dressed like henchmen and super villains wanted to rule the world. And the masses were incredibly trusting and accepting. When Superman shows up in that movie, the world embraces him immediately. The world of the Donner films is very black and white. Bad guys are bad and good guys are good. This makes it very easy for Superman to be... well... super.
I'm not complaining. That was a great setting and it worked wonderfully for Donner, but Man of Steel is set in a very different world. It's set in a world where people don't trust anybody and any alien is largely seen as a threat. It's set in a world where the villain isn't motivated by a 1-dimensional need to rule. He's genetically engineered to protect his people. I actually felt bad for Zod in MoS. He didn't have a choice. He was doing what he was literally bred to do.
In Snyder's world, decisions aren't black and white, and Superman reacts accordingly. I honestly think in that final scene with Zod, any iteration of Superman would have done the same exact thing (in the Donner film, Superman punched Zod into oblivion and was happy about it). The difference is, in most iterations of Superman, he's simply not put in that position.
But in Snyder's movie, Superman faces real-world(ish) decisions. Decisions that don't have obvious answers.
For me, the fact that the movie ended with him believing in humanity and devoting his life to protecting it wasn't depressing at all. It was incredibly optimistic and showed the strength of his character.
Superman has always been a reflection of the current culture, but he's always been a symbol of good. I don't think this movie changed that at all. It just made the world he lives in a little harsher.
I get enough 'harshness' in my everyday life, in the real world.
I don't want to go to the movies and be bombarded with it as well.
I like seeing the 'good-guys' win, without having to resort to the same ways in which I am deluged constantly, by the real world news.
Granted, Christopher Reeves' Superman also dispatched the villains, but it wasn't so 'in-yer-face' and was done in such a way as to leave a modicum amount of doubt as to whether or not they were actually dead.
To me, SUPERMAN has always represented the ideal that one could win as the good-guy, without having to resort to the 'bad-guys' way of doing it.
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