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torpedo boats...are they dead?
notapwefan
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didn't hear anything about it for quite sometime. How are torpedo boats these days, and is there any change of strategies as Fed can also have torpedo boats now?
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They used viral matrix, jam/scramble sensors and photonic fleet so I'm guessing they were a sci toon. Load out seemed to primarily be transphasics, they would lob high yield torps at me along with the cluster torp, and leave mines behind as they passed me.
Just using brace for impact, epte and evasive I shrugged off most of the damage and outran the mines. I was trying to get him with antiproton sweep (I'm using the full jem set atm) but after a time I got bored, cloaked up and flew off.
The three most potent types are Plasma, Transphasics and exotic mixed launchers. The former works better with gravity well or disables and has a sort of 'fire and forget' playstyle(I've glassed the entire borg cluster at the start of RAs with a single HY crit before). The transphasics tend to work better with more weapon slots/cruisers(especially the Chel Grett), is easy to setup(mostly mission rewards), and is very bursty. The latter, I really don't mess with anymore, but it should still work fine.
Fed have the best torp boat in the game now in the form of the Tactical Vesta. It's a high aux shield-tanking monster that can do pretty much everything at once if used as a torpedo boat. Otherwise, not much change in KDF torp tactics. Romulans have the T'varo Retro which is quite nasty for the role now too(similar to the vesta - but trades the hanger, shield mod, and sensor analysis for enhanced battlecloak and singularity abilities).
Breen 2 piece
Transphasic Consoles x5
Breen Cluster Torpedo
Breen Cluster, BTW, benefits more heavily from the Transphasic Consoles, not the Mine related one. It also benefits from the Breen 2 piece.
Fore:
3X Breen cluster torp
1X Transphasic torp spread
Aft:
2X transphasic mine dispersal pattern beta
Combined with 3 transphasic consoles, the breen 2 part and tactical buffs, it can often pull the most damage in pvp matches and 1 shots with crits on escorts and sci ships.
I am also now experimenting with a plasma T'varo on my KDF Reman.
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Don't the cluster torpedoes share a CD? Can we fire more than 1 at a time? I setup my lolz torpedo T'varo. It is a lot of fun flying around annoying players and occasionally killing the hapless newbie. It is not very effective even with breen, 3 console transphasic ... etc.
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They shared a 15 second cooldown with each other, and 1 second cooldown with all torpedoes.
So if you use 3, you can fire one every 15 seconds.
I generally use 2 myself, along with normal transphasics for the sake of torp DOFFs and torp abilities.
Yea I haven't gotten around to getting the klingon torp doffs but the cluster torps fire off every 15 secs with the torp spread and dispersal pattern beta (I chain 2 each)
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I chain BO2 to drop shields and follow it up with a HYT3 using photons. (currently the bio molecular ones cause they're green)
I'm actualy getting some prety crazy crits since all but 1 of my officers have Superior romulan operative and subterfuge.
I have an eptw2 but really I almost never need it.
While not a true torpedo boat i do most of my damage with torps so I would call it a hybrid.
Also in the wasteland arc there is a mission that will reward you a doff named "law" He is a purple projectile weapons doff.
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i'm using a setup of x3 Fleet Advance Transphasic torps and Breen cluster torp at fore and another Breen cluster and Hargh'peng at aft and using a KHG Mk XII 3 peice set on my Fleet B'rel. i also created another character with a torpedo boat spec on my Rommie toon (Xun Zhou) using a fleet T'varo on the KDF side with almost a similar but defferent spec.
I feel I'm just missing something. I've been thinking about trying a combination of Target Engines and tractor beams to see if I get better results.
Fore: 3x plasma torp, 1x cluster transphasic (set up to fire first, then the plasmas so as to proc cd via doffs)
Aft: 1x plasma torp, 1x cluster transphasic and one chroniton mine
2pc breen, jemmie shield for its bonuses (or you could use 2pc breen, aegis engine for the extra 5% def)
As to my universal ltc boff slot...I went eng in order to pack in many hull heals as possible
General plan is to use epte1 to zoom about, deploying mine dispersal beta 3 and spread 3/2 (or hy2/3) while delivering a painful tac buffed transphasic to my main target - with a possible doffed ewp1 for garnish - while double eng team and aux2sif (plus he2) for constant heal cycles with resist
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My KDF Science officer does quite well in a B'rel and I really do not see such a setup working well with an engineer since most of their powers would be utterly useless whereas space science powers really complement the setup:
Sensor Scan helps increase torpedo damage and allows the targeting of cloaks ships.
Photonic Fleet creates a distraction which makes it harder for enemies to target you when you uncloak.
Subnucleonic beam right after the first volley helps keep their heals offline.
My new Romulan, who is a tactical officer, is making the switch soon from his D'deridix to the T'varo or whatever the Romulan ship is with the EBC.
As far as weapons go, my current loadout is:
FORE:
Har'peng (most of the damage ignores the shields).
Breen Cluster (most of the damage ignores the shields and combined with lots of projectile skills, can be very devastating).
Bio-neural (smart players will usually take them out, but if they do not, it does massive damage without the decloaking effect of high yield tricobolt. Also, during an initial attack run, they will fire along with the Breen, usually making the player have to choose which torpedo to take out).
Quantum Torpedo (this does massive damage against the hull when your friends help you wear down the shields. It also does impressive damage against weak shields, like those on many escorts and some cruisers).
AFT: Har'peng and Breen Cluster.
Typical attack run:
1. Sensor scan.
2. Fire scramble sensors.
3. Fire all fore torpedoes.
4. Hit photonic shock wave or particle beam.
5. Hit photonic fleet.
6. Fire any rear torpedoes not on cool down.
7. Subnuke.
8. Heal if necessary.
9. Repeat.
Can anyone point me the right direction?
If you want to fly a torp boat you want projectile skills and attack patterns maxed out and if you are cloaking, aux performance, engine performance, thrusters, inertial damp dampners, subspace decompiler, grav generators, sensors, and hulls and armor skills should all be maxed out. Forget anything with shields and energy weapons if using the enhanced battle cloak. Basically only buff the things that improve the weapons you are going to use, speed/engine performance, stealth/cloaking effectiveness, and hull armor/hit points because if your getting shot at it will likely be without shields or with weak shields.
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The only good thing about a B'rel torpedo boat is that you can take nearly all your skills out of such things as shields and weapon power and throw them into projectile and science power, running the ship at > 100 warp core power in the engines and auxiliary. That is the only thing that can make a B'rel torpedo boat powerful enough to actually do serious damage to the enemy and not get one-shouted as it cloaks and decloaks.
But then, if you want to use energy weapons, your weapons and shields will either be very weak (which kind of eliminates a lot of the advantage of an alpha strike) and you will not be able to shield-tank long enough to destroy your enemy.
My advice is that if you want to use a B'rel or T'varo torpedo boat, you need to stick with it, at least for PvP (you can switch out for PvE since anything but elite STFs hardly require good skill point spending).
I have one Klingon character that I exclusively use for the B'rel torpedo boat (sci) and one Romulan officer (tac) that will eventually be used exclusively for the T'varo, once he is ready to start PvPing and I respec him.
If I want to PvP using traditional energy weapons, I use one of my other characters. But frankly, the time requirement to get an excellent PvP build is quite tremendous, so you should probably decide right now if you want to be in it for the long haul with the B'rel. It is a great setup once you learn how to fly it but few ever do.
The only real reason for a torpedoboot are sciships, since Tacticians belong on a Eskorte, and Cruisers do more damage if all energy based.