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mirrorchaos
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i just had a most interesting encounter with some limited opinions of p2w vs f2p and it in pvp in game on zone chat about 15 minutes ago.
now the basis of my complaint was the bug ship being viably unattainable to almost anyone other thing the very rich and the fact it comes along so infrequently. so how can you get this prized ship to get into a pvp fight? pay 450m ec or more which would take a month or longer to get a hold of even with all methods of ec to you. (please also remember people have a life outside the game and other things, or just dont like grinding as much)
to me it spells out P2W, because only those very very rich players could ever afford such a ship because its a really good ship for pvp. then i was thinking, why isnt this ship in the lobi store?
is there some sort of license restriction on the item? if not why hasnt it just been added?
im fully aware of the opinions mentioned by other players that it can be gotten, but to any typical player under current conditions with less then 5m to their name, the whole thought behind the idea is completely unfeasible for the immediate future.
i admit at that point i just lost focus and blabbered on a bit too much and a little over the top but nothing childish or insulting as name calling as it isnt my style. that part of the conversation i will retract however. i stress this isnt another arguement about p2w or f2p as both me and the other players stonewalled each other on the issue, so that wont go. i was wondering about the bugship.
now the basis of my complaint was the bug ship being viably unattainable to almost anyone other thing the very rich and the fact it comes along so infrequently. so how can you get this prized ship to get into a pvp fight? pay 450m ec or more which would take a month or longer to get a hold of even with all methods of ec to you. (please also remember people have a life outside the game and other things, or just dont like grinding as much)
to me it spells out P2W, because only those very very rich players could ever afford such a ship because its a really good ship for pvp. then i was thinking, why isnt this ship in the lobi store?
is there some sort of license restriction on the item? if not why hasnt it just been added?
im fully aware of the opinions mentioned by other players that it can be gotten, but to any typical player under current conditions with less then 5m to their name, the whole thought behind the idea is completely unfeasible for the immediate future.
i admit at that point i just lost focus and blabbered on a bit too much and a little over the top but nothing childish or insulting as name calling as it isnt my style. that part of the conversation i will retract however. i stress this isnt another arguement about p2w or f2p as both me and the other players stonewalled each other on the issue, so that wont go. i was wondering about the bugship.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
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Oh yeah, and for those of us who can't shell out tons of money in game or in real life to get the lobi, we'll be even worse off because of more people flying bugships while we still can't afford them.
but if you know anything is that that 375m bug ship can disappear at any time. and by the time you come up with 375m its upto 500m, its possible this can happen.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Ah, you've not run into that yet.
Basically, because Cryptic/PWE doesn't actually own the rights to Star Trek, they have to get the permission of its actual owners before they add stuff to the game. Which is primarily CBS & Paramount.
When the bugship first came out, Cryptic explained that CBS/Paramount was only allowing it into the game if it were very rare & hard to get. They didn't want you to see a dozen of them in orbit around ESD or Q'onos. That's where the original "gift box" came in, followed by the lock boxes for other restricted ships.
The Breen Chel'grett is a good example of "buying" a restricted ship: people had to grind for 1000 pictures of Q to buy it. Not many people were that dedicated to getting one. Making the bugship available for purchase would have to be just as restrictive. Lobi is easy to get, really, so it'd have to be a ridiculous amount. 800 Lobi isn't that difficult to get for someone who really, really wants a particular ship.
Unless Cryptic can re-negotiate with CBS/Paramount, you're not going to get a purchasable version. And, before anyone else jumps in with it, you're really unlikely to get anything from the JJ Abrams films, as that's a whole different production company entirely. All the stuff we've got from the JJ-verse at least appeared in a tie-in comic, showing the events leading up to the time-travel incident, so that got the CBS/Paramount approval.
Keep calm, and continue firing photon torpedoes.
This is the big 2000 lb. gorilla on why it isn't for sale.
I don't want to see an endless supply of Bug ships.
1. it might make the STO MMO-verse look like the Dominion won the war.
2. the ship isnt so powerful it makes every thing else obsolete. There are still good choices and bugs can get squished.
If anything they need to be brought in line with other ships of the same type. I know, I am the guy who says no to any nerf of anything bought and paid for with real money. So that means a balance pass to make older designs more appealing.
Or put restrictions on certain consoles or weapon types or devices making them unuseable with the Bug.
The one thing I would like to see is the requirement to have a bug before allowing use of bug hangers with the Jem Hadar Dread (JHAS? Whatever it called) that unfairly forces one to buy an unattainable or nearly unattainable ship to get the core functionality of the other. (Sorry to all who have already spent so much to get their ship working, but I feel you all had to pay way too much. No one should have to)
By the way. Just bought 10 more keys, 10 more boxes. No ships. Just doff packs, 48 lobi, and 1 nanotechnology disruptor box. Yet more proof that all things should be purchase able in up front open transactions. End the gambling.
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Much as I love my Galor and Jem Dread, I think not only should the Bugship be nerfed but it, the Galor and the two Jem Carriers should be flat-out removed from the game. If you've got one already - fine, you can keep it. But from X date, ships such as the ones i've mentioned should stop being available.
The reason I say this is because LoR - despite a few irritating flaws - was a pretty successful and well-done expansion. And some of it was down to the fact that the Romulan faction wasn't diluted by having previously had the D'Deridex put into a lockbox and flogged like a dead horse.
The success of LoR does, inevitably, set the stage for new factions in future seasons, with the Cardassians being the odds-on favorite. Hence why they should be removing the ability to get Cardassian and Jem'Hadar ships in lockboxes - and iconic ones at that. If/when a Cardassian faction comes out, those with lockbox ships will probably find their "purchases" feeling cheapened by all the many Galor Cruiser Retrofits cruising around sector space.
I'm not neccessarily against the lockboxes as a method of getting "restricted" ships into the game. But they should probably be constrained to factions that aren't ever going to be playable - the Tholians, for example.
And no. That category should not include either the Borg, the Iconians or the Undine. Their ships should be off-limits.
the prize they are going for atm is nothing but robbery on those poor souls who thinks the bugship will make them pro and unbeatable in pvp
let me tell you guys a little secret: IT WONT
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So you bought some keys to gamble on the lockboxes and you won something from every single box plus at least 40 Lobi, but not THE ship that you wanted, so now you want the gambling ended? :rolleyes:
If you actually took the same amount of time that it took you to type up that post and spent it on reading about the various suggested ways in which to make EC in game, you would probably have enough EC to buy that Bug ship within a month if not sooner.
lol did not know the Galor is a FREE ship...Ironic that takes one to beat the other...enough said
anything with a battle_cloak and a fair build do the trick
It is a decent speed, firepower and manuverability upgrade over comparable escorts like the Fleet Patrol escort and Fleet Somraw. Is it worth paying almost 20 times as much for it on the exchange compared to the cost of 4 fleet modules? Now that is debateable.
I got mine for less the 300 mil by being patient and checking the exchange each day, I am happy with the price as it does tend to beat most ships 1v1, and when it rarely dies its from sci spam then being focused. I think its a better deal then paying 100 mil for a cruiser that can't use DHC like a Galor when the Fleet Vorcha or Fleet Kamarag can be bought cheaper and have better stats and use DHC, or even Fleet Excelsior or Fleet Regent are as good as Galor.
That said I think people can live without it, there are enough 5 tac console escorts available for Fed and Romulans, now we just need to make a 5 tac console Raptor. So we don't need it in the lobi store.
06-08-2013, 09:04 AM
... And loose the cash cow...
Wonder if I can get my hands on a third one... :cool:
make the ones currently out there untradable
AND set the stats of the bug to exactly the same as a fleet defiant and be done with it
Why?
Because when the JHAS is re-re-re-released in what ever item they shove it in as a chance item sales spike to LUDICROUS levels.
The JHAS is close to being a "print money" button for Cryptic/PWE and will remain such until something completely outclasses it.
if you think only DHCs can deal massive dmg i have a bad news for you too, pal =Đ
I really don't think any escort should be able to beat a tac-oriented cruiser if the players are of equal skill, especially a Galor with spiral waves.
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I think you misunderstood my post or maybe I don't understand your's. My point is that a tac cruiser will beat a tac escort in 1v1, whether it's a Bugship or not, when given players of equal skill. I'm not saying anything is broken. Although, things may have changed with the more resilient Rommie ships and their battle cloak. What gives the cruiser the advantage is their constant/consistent damage combined with superior healing/hull/shields.
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But if they put these ships straight into the c store they would im sure make VAST amounts of money
where as at the moment
speculators do
Because those are very different statements. (And I guarantee you it mostly will beat the cruiser.)
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speculators do ec.You can get ec by selling keys bought with real money .Both ways cryptic wins.
Except they won't.
In the C-store it's a 1 purchase item. You buy it once and EVERY character on the account has it.
Lobi, you'd have to buy it multiple times but eventually the income from your account for that ship would dry up.
Lock boxes/Duty Officer Packs/Prize in the box of Cereal, you have steady influx of funds for the duration of the offer.
Then it goes away, people who pulled them and held onto the pack put them on the exchange.
The exchange price climbs while supplies dwindle and BAM six months after the release it's time for a re-release as demand now outpaces he supply.
More money for PWE/Cryptic.
Keys in circulation today some of them have been sold and resold for the last couple of years
where as a straight Zen purchase is fresh cash in the bank Today not 18 months ago
the bug is popular
so offer it at say 5000 zen (still cheaper than the scammer price)
make it account wide
and bind all EXISTING bugs to account right now
Thats 5000 zen from half the escort jocks in the game
AND the exchange fixed
Couple of year not yearS.
Im sure they keep keys and lockbox beause people stopped buying keys and the business works so bad that they keep adding more and more.:rolleyes:
So, um, carry on.
Anywho, I'll still stand by my opinion that this should not be straight up purchasable.
makes less money every year so they increase the number of draws
lockboxes are basically a tax on people who are bad at maths and the desperate
but wrong place for that argument anyway
if everything in boxes was in the c store (or you could buy 40 lobi for 125 zen)
they would make a LOT more money
and from people who can do math