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  • rylanadionysisrylanadionysis Member Posts: 3,359 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Except for ive never seen a game this gear reliant. Ive been pvping in various games for better than a decade. (google dionysis swg for my old SWG kill counts, for example) Im a noob only to this game itself (join date is legit). I am shocked at how simple the game mechanics are themselves, but at how insane the gear gap from "freshly 50" to "pvp ready" really is.

    I should never have an oh my god moment like I did when i switched out my dilithium store weapons for fleet weapons. The sheer difference was insane. What is with THAT?
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Money grab? Honestly though, even the Devs have said STO is the largest gear,item, stuff filled game they have seen built.
    And yes it has caused all sortz of problems.
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  • sterlingwarbirdsterlingwarbird Member Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Money grab? Honestly though, even the Devs have said STO is the largest gear,item, stuff filled game they have seen built.
    And yes it has caused all sortz of problems.

    That is because, everything Cryptic does is rushed, its not tested before its implemented into the game because they are not interested in making a quality MMO, this is just a cash cow for Neverwinter. The problem is quite clear in the last year, its obviously that Neverwinter is intended to replace STO in the same way that STO took precedence and made development work stop on Champions Online.

    Cryptic are very much the company to abandon a project as soon as it starts not meeting their projected income for the month. I don't think they made this game to be a fun MMO and appeal to Star Trek fans but instead, when the game began to fail, they switched it to F2P and milked it for all the money they can.

    They knew the Romulans would generate income regardless, so they released it early and with all the bugs notified in the Beta still in the release because they don't really care... they just want your cash.

    Companies that work like that are the closest thing to amoral evil. I'm sure if Cryptic could, they would have call centers in third world countries and pay their employees a penny a day.

    Thats the problem with commercial projects over fan generated ones. Then, in a total twist of irony, they try to make out that people with negative opinions of their buisness model are Flaming/Trolling/Hate speech. This is just a way to suppress opinion... under the guise of protecting the community from "trolls".
  • warzoon007warzoon007 Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I am sick and tired of hearing FEDS complain about KDF ships and BOP.
    when FEDS comes in arena with that 5 weapon foe ship you does not hear KDF complying. NO we find a way to kill it Tac team, Tractor beam and EP2S or that elite hanger pets spam the yellowstones grav well and warp plasma we use APO and hazard emitters and evasive so stop complying find a way to deal with it and play the game have fun.
    u get half the universal consoles we have just off the xchange when we have to buy C-store ships for them
  • edna#7310 edna Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    warzoon007 wrote: »
    u get half the universal consoles we have just off the xchange when we have to buy C-store ships for them

    mmm so they forgot to give a fed console for each klinky console.We should report this :rolleyes:
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Most everything that hits holodeck goes through tribble first for testing. Even LoR had a closed and open test phase before it hit holodeck.
    Bugs get found and often not fixed before release due to time constraints, many because not enough people test things when the option is present.
    Some even refuse to test.
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  • saxfiresaxfire Member Posts: 558 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    If you have problems in surviving or doing dmg, you're doing something wrong, my cruiser can pull 13k dps in some ocasions, with minium of 8k dps in pve content, it is also super tanky and it can easily survive pounding from 3 players as long as subnuke doesnt come by :P
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  • saxfiresaxfire Member Posts: 558 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    adrianm63 wrote: »
    mmm so they forgot to give a fed console for each klinky console.We should report this :rolleyes:

    only idiot would pay for those bull**** fed consoles anyways when all the kdf consoles are good and used by so many feds.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    As a fanbase we KDF need to avoid reverting back to our year one and two states of perpetual anger over our place in STOs history.
    We where treated incredibly poorly by Cryptic and fed fan alike back then.
    That time is over and the KDF has more than ever before. Its time to let old wounds heal and just talk about the scars from time to time.
    Leonard Nimoy, Spock.....:(

    R.I.P
  • sterlingwarbirdsterlingwarbird Member Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    As a fanbase we KDF need to avoid reverting back to our year one and two states of perpetual anger over our place in STOs history.
    We where treated incredibly poorly by Cryptic and fed fan alike back then.
    That time is over and the KDF has more than ever before. Its time to let old wounds heal and just talk about the scars from time to time.

    The problem is, you see yourself as some sort of persecuted minority of players in the game. We have to be UNITED as a playerbase if we really want any kind of change. Cryptic is the enemy here and not each other... as long as you blame Federation players, nothing will ever change and we will never have a decent game.

    The Federation has been shafted in favor for the Romulans too and they were shafted way before that too. So I understand what the KDF has been through and I sympathize.
  • thisslerthissler Member Posts: 2,055 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    The issue is that in a cruiser, the defense bonus is pretty much negated and there is no real point to moving. I assure you that even with the elusive trait, my cruiser still can get hit 99% of time.

    Since escorts have the advantage of not being hit due to insane defense bonuses, doesn't it reason that cruisers should have much more hull and shield resistance then they currently do, something built into them like an innate 20% resistance to all weapons and kinetics?

    Or better yet, have a passive which cancels out transphasic procs? To make them much more durable and competitive on the battlefield. I would love to hear any other ideas on improving cruiser pvp? Or tips on the best way to survive BoP and escort Alphas because nothing I do seems to work well EXCEPT RSP.

    So instead of slagging me Klinks... how about some advice...

    I have x2 Acc Fleet Weapons, the Tholian 10% beam accuracy Console and the Accurate trait and I still RARELY hit escorts... so please... impart your wisdom because I'm obviously doing something wrong here...

    That isn't true. Flat out plain just not true. Absolutely wrong. But yes, if you just don't move you can be hit 100% of the time. So I guess your 99% figure is wrong also.

    Yes you're doing something wrong. Yes I've posted on this extensively. No I'm not going to beat this to death again. Search for the threads on Acc vs Def.

    You could go watch the videos on it if you want. If you don't want or feel like saying "oh that won't work" even when you see it working I don't know what to say.

    And if you refuse all of that here's some numbers. You can ALWAYS get 100% hit rate on any opposing ship for some moments in the game. (and that's all you need thanks to how the game works). You can never go BELOW 25% hit rate, and it is unlikely that you will ever see hit rates that poor in the game. The crappiest you will most likely see will be around 50%. Depends on who you're facing, and for how long.

    Cheers and happy flying.
  • edna#7310 edna Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    saxfire wrote: »
    only idiot would pay for those bull**** fed consoles anyways when all the kdf consoles are good and used by so many feds.

    haha grappler is awesome :D

    btw admiral Quinn feels hurt reading your post .You really hurt his feelings lol
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    The problem is, you see yourself as some sort of persecuted minority of players in the game. We have to be UNITED as a playerbase if we really want any kind of change. Cryptic is the enemy here and not each other... as long as you blame Federation players, nothing will ever change and we will never have a decent game.

    The Federation has been shafted in favor for the Romulans too and they were shafted way before that too. So I understand what the KDF has been through and I sympathize.

    Correction; we are a untrusting fanbase due to past treatment.
    I merely wish us to leave that stigmata behind and stop dredging the past up to justify the future.
    Leonard Nimoy, Spock.....:(

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  • sterlingwarbirdsterlingwarbird Member Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Correction; we are a untrusting fanbase due to past treatment.
    I merely wish us to leave that stigmata behind and stop dredging the past up to justify the future.

    You think that the Federation is not the same? After all, someone on this very board commented that Federation console powers are TRIBBLE compared to the Klingon ones, probably because they are more tactically orientated. I both fanbases should be demanding better quality from Cryptic and not attacking each other for things that neither can really control.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    You think that the Federation is not the same? After all, someone on this very board commented that Federation console powers are TRIBBLE compared to the Klingon ones, probably because they are more tactically orientated. I both fanbases should be demanding better quality from Cryptic and not attacking each other for things that neither can really control.

    We where told when the KDF consoles where released that all the consoles of both faction s would be made availible eventually.
    I do not see how the feds have suffered in the console debate. I do not see how the KDF has been robbed of what was never thiers to keep.
    I merely dislike the many threads of gloat that often pop up when some feds wave thier new acquisition and the responding KDF old hate it causes in response.
    I will never deny that we KDF, as a fanbase, has suffered in the years past until recently.
    It may be over but it is not forgotten, nor is it anchor to hold the KDF back from moving forward.
    Leonard Nimoy, Spock.....:(

    R.I.P
  • aveimperatoraveimperator Member Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Actually, most of those threads you're referring to were started by KDF players raging about Feds getting the consoles, not Fed players gloating about getting said consoles.
  • vegie0vegie0 Member Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    We where told when the KDF consoles where released that all the consoles of both faction s would be made availible eventually.
    I do not see how the feds have suffered in the console debate. I do not see how the KDF has been robbed of what was never thiers to keep.
    I merely dislike the many threads of gloat that often pop up when some feds wave thier new acquisition and the responding KDF old hate it causes in response.
    I will never deny that we KDF, as a fanbase, has suffered in the years past until recently.
    It may be over but it is not forgotten, nor is it anchor to hold the KDF back from moving forward.

    Theres wisdom in those words, and the adversity of the fighting such an uneven battle is what made a great many KDF into very deadly predators. I personaly gained most of my usefullness from fighting the players that had the MACO shield when it first came out. In which it caused a 90% resist and thus made the player all but immortal. Killing those people make me think on how to make myself last long enough, and Surge kill thru such blatently OP shields. But you are correct, even with the Leech feds do not seem any more menacing. As I notice no real difference in their Pew.

    Lets now talk about the Cruiser issue.

    Now a lot of this seems to be more Tac escort based hate as opposed to Escort hate. So let me tell you a few things, my Sci rocking all Mk XII purple Flow caps rips shields off bugs like nobodys buisness. Which the other CRUISERS around me see happening, and they procede to unleash hell upon him. So thats one cruiser (Wells) that seems useful, as for others. I have seen very deadly cruisers, both in Sustained DPS, and even Spike DPS (not many of these). And on the other thread where I was discussing a D'Dex build the discussion of certain skills, which are basically exclusive to Cruisers, were considered OP by some players. (probably escorts with no or very little heals)

    So please if you get the chance read some of the material on Cruisers in this forum, there are some amazing builds here.
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  • sterlingwarbirdsterlingwarbird Member Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    vegie0 wrote: »
    Theres wisdom in those words, and the adversity of the fighting such an uneven battle is what made a great many KDF into very deadly predators. I personaly gained most of my usefullness from fighting the players that had the MACO shield when it first came out. In which it caused a 90% resist and thus made the player all but immortal. Killing those people make me think on how to make myself last long enough, and Surge kill thru such blatently OP shields. But you are correct, even with the Leech feds do not seem any more menacing. As I notice no real difference in their Pew.

    Lets now talk about the Cruiser issue.

    Now a lot of this seems to be more Tac escort based hate as opposed to Escort hate. So let me tell you a few things, my Sci rocking all Mk XII purple Flow caps rips shields off bugs like nobodys buisness. Which the other CRUISERS around me see happening, and they procede to unleash hell upon him. So thats one cruiser (Wells) that seems useful, as for others. I have seen very deadly cruisers, both in Sustained DPS, and even Spike DPS (not many of these). And on the other thread where I was discussing a D'Dex build the discussion of certain skills, which are basically exclusive to Cruisers, were considered OP by some players. (probably escorts with no or very little heals)

    So please if you get the chance read some of the material on Cruisers in this forum, there are some amazing builds here.

    Ah... well... actually its SCI Escorts which are horrible but in a kinda cool way :)
  • vegie0vegie0 Member Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Well Sci scorts are sooooo easy to deal with, If you Tac just out Pew them. If your Engie out tank them and keep sustained DPS going. And if your Sci, your nuke on him when hes running the bulk of his Heals, not Pew skills.

    The problem with Sci scorts is they often waste a lot of thier innate abilites, being that they lack anything thats not team oriented. SNB however is very deadly...
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