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A TOS Connie Proposal
ccarmichael07
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This topic has been resurfacing lately, and it inspired me with an idea.
Cryptic -
CBS has said no to the Tier 5 TOS Connie. What I am proposing is an idea to possibly take to CBS as a compromise.
How about a Tier 3 Science Vessel TOS Connie Retrofit. This could be a C-Store ship, with comparable stats to a standard T3 Science Vessel. This ship would still be "weaker" than the T3 Excelsior and Ambassador, but a viable ship to carry a player through to Vice Admiral.
The reason for this proposal is because we currently have 3 TOS era vessels represented in game. The Romulan T'Liss, The Starfleet Constitution, and the Klingon D-7. The D-7 is already at Tier 3, so allowing a T3 T'Liss and a T3 Connie could be justified to CBS on an existing precedent.
Furthermore, this addition to the game (T3 Connie & T3 T'Liss) could open a new PVP gameplay opportunity in the form of "Historic Battles" wherein the only ships allowed would be TOS era vessels, with a true 3 way combat opportunity between KDF, Starfleet and Romulan players.
If a T3 TOS Connie were offered, perhaps the Movie era Refit skin could be offered with it.
I am confident that this could be a lucrative opportunity, as not only fans of the Constitution class, but also fans of the T'Liss would be likely to purchase a more advanced version of their favorite ship, especially with a special PvP opportunity opened to them with the purchase.
I hope you will consider my proposal, and consider offering the idea up to CBS for their consideration as well.
Regards,
C. Carmichael
Cryptic -
CBS has said no to the Tier 5 TOS Connie. What I am proposing is an idea to possibly take to CBS as a compromise.
How about a Tier 3 Science Vessel TOS Connie Retrofit. This could be a C-Store ship, with comparable stats to a standard T3 Science Vessel. This ship would still be "weaker" than the T3 Excelsior and Ambassador, but a viable ship to carry a player through to Vice Admiral.
The reason for this proposal is because we currently have 3 TOS era vessels represented in game. The Romulan T'Liss, The Starfleet Constitution, and the Klingon D-7. The D-7 is already at Tier 3, so allowing a T3 T'Liss and a T3 Connie could be justified to CBS on an existing precedent.
Furthermore, this addition to the game (T3 Connie & T3 T'Liss) could open a new PVP gameplay opportunity in the form of "Historic Battles" wherein the only ships allowed would be TOS era vessels, with a true 3 way combat opportunity between KDF, Starfleet and Romulan players.
If a T3 TOS Connie were offered, perhaps the Movie era Refit skin could be offered with it.
I am confident that this could be a lucrative opportunity, as not only fans of the Constitution class, but also fans of the T'Liss would be likely to purchase a more advanced version of their favorite ship, especially with a special PvP opportunity opened to them with the purchase.
I hope you will consider my proposal, and consider offering the idea up to CBS for their consideration as well.
Regards,
C. Carmichael
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Edit: fake photo of a tweet is fake :rolleyes: (I just went through all his tweets from April and didn't see that) -Brandon
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How about we just take those out to stop the Connie zombie comeback?
(and you forgot the NX-01 'replica' which is even older!)
So tired of people pining over this ship for a T5.
(I wish the other low tier ships hadn't made it to Fleet ships too.)
Just let it go.
Not everyone grew up in the DS9/VOY/Nemesis era, and their preference lies in other eras of Trek canon.
Agreed, no T5 Connie should be made, but if a T3 D-7 is plausible, then a T3 Connie and T3 T'Liss could be plausible as well, and would offer another avenue of Income for Cryptic, along with the potential for a new PvP mode.
Seems like a win/win to me.
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I'm not spending a singe penny on anything in this game until they end that nonsense and give TOS fans what they want. Until then I'll play free flying the Excelsior and the even earlier ships that they do allow.
That's because it's not a D7. It's a K't'inga, which is depicted as still being in service in DS9.
That said, I definitely wouldn't say no to a T3 Connie. Or even a T5. :eek:
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Oh no, not spending a single penny on a free-to-play game. I'm sure they never factored that into their equations when they made this game free-to-play.
No one hates the TOS ships by-and-by, or few do. Some have made rather silly arguements against it, but the very very vocal minority literally spewing TRIBBLE like you just did, doesn't make the rest of the community take you seriously, and in fact most of us are tired of hearing about this at all, to the point of I would gladly give up my tier 1 TOS Connie just to quiet this all down and never, ever hear about it ever again.
Been hoping they would since Beta, especially since the D7 is just a skin than a seperate ship.
While that is true, there were still D7's still in service as well.
But since we have TOS Consitutions, doesn't hurt for them to have regular D7s as a starter ship.
They made it a source of income from micro-transactions, and so yes- people not buying micro-transactions does matter. I've spent more on ships and other items over the last few years than I ever would on a sub.
So in my case they've lost a few hundred dollars a year for refusing to provide a service. If they're happy with that, I'm happy with keeping my money.
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It's not odd at all. The T3 Cruiser is a K't'inga-class, a separate, modern upgrade to the D7, and not the D7 itself (which, by this era, like the TOS Connie and the T'liss, is a horrendously outdated piece of junk) . If anything, that particular ship is equivalent to the Excelsior-class, as it was effective enough to remain in service for the last century or so. It just happens to have the D7 skin as a customization option :P
I agree though that the D7 (or at least, a modern recreation of it, as the TOS Connie is explained ingame) should be a T1 ship for the KDF. Personally don't like flying Birds of Prey.
Actually, no there weren't.
The D7's were retired "decades ago", according to the Star Trek Voyager episode "Prophecy". Like I said though, got no problem with the KDF deciding to create a "modern" version of it for their newer Captains to command.
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Gonna stop you right there. JVC tweeted awhile back that he's A-OK with a T5 connie. He went so far as to suggest a 3-pack.
No he didn't that was a fake tweet
Maybe if the "TOS fans" stopped throwing around hyperbolic nonsense like characterising completely mundane statements along the lines of "T5 connie is silly, and CBS says no" as "hatred", maybe people would be more inclined to listen to you.
As a Star Trek fan, regardless of era, I think they were stupid to put in old designs in the first place, but then again I'd have preferred it if your actual uniform wasn't customisable beyond selecting a few different presets(normal, captain's vest, away mission jacket, etc etc), because I like this era as much as any other, and since it's the only remnant of the real prime universe I think it deserves its own coherent aesthetic and story. I don't want to log in and feel like I'm just playing some pointless throwaway game because crusty old hidebound era-specific fandom want to live in their own personal alternate reality where 90% of the game doesn't exist, just so they can fulfill their teenage dreams of being Space Captain Ladies Man and double-fist-punching some Gorn.
But hey, we don't always get what we want; a truism that the T5 Connie crowd should probably take some notice of.
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In JJ Trek the excuse for the bigger Enterprise is from Starfleet pooping their pants from scanning Nero's ship. They figured they had to go big or stay home. So they Galaxy sized it.
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/new_enterprise/monsterprise.jpg
So if Starfeet can over react then, shouldnt they continue to beef up the fleet after releasing the Odyssey? Now is the time to use the Dedication Class Cryptic says they own and supersize it to a length longer than a Regent but shorter than an Odyssey. Id buy that ship. And it would be a great compromise for T5 Connie beggars.
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That said, the faked twitter certainly does nothing to help the cause of getting this ship at end game. It was disappointing to see. But come on. Who believes that Van Citters would have tweeted such a thing to Branflakes? When it would have been more appropriate for Dan Stahl or Al Rivera? :rolleyes: Really?
Firstly, the JJ-prise is not as big as a Galaxy. Ex Astris did a great workthrough of the scaling (starts about halfway down the page)
Secondly you do realize that Prime's Starfleet already went through their "scare" with the Borg. What did they develop? Was it super-massive space pew pew battleships? Not in the least.
The result was smaller, purpose built combat ships.
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Because A; the terms of the license are likely worded in such a way as to allow CBS a veto over any content the devs propose to add, a fairly common practice and also B; because fan-made no-profit mods for old games are not even remotely similar to a profit-making corporate enterprise which supposedly "carries the flag" for your prime IP.
I only wish CBS had brought their veto-hammer down on a few other nonsensical additions like the other ENT- and TOS-era ships that have been shoehorned into the game, or the ludicrous proposition that Starfleet would essentially tell their officers "Uniform code? Pah, what uniform code, we don't wanna cramp your style dude, wear what you like" :rolleyes:
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I would agree, no Fleet version should be offered for the TOS and TMP Connies.
The thinking I had is that it would be nice to have a Connie to play with in the upper levels, and a Commander level ship accomplishes the goal, without making it an efficient full fledged T5 ship. Meaning, yes, you could use it to putt around and shoot things in PvE and Exploration zones, but your chances of completing an STF or PvP match at Vice Admiral in this ship would be ridiculously small.
Sure, you can do the same thing with the T1 version, but the effort that is requried to keep the ship intact makes this pretty un-fun, and isn't the point of playing a game to have fun and enjoy yourself?
Additionally, I love the Historic Battles PvP idea, and would likely be more engaged in PvP in this type of format. I could see 3 brackets for Historic Battle. Tier 1, Tier 3, and Tier 5 (using the Tier 3 ships). What a blast that could be! True 3-way PvP in the most iconic ships of the franchise.
Additionally, with a T3 Connie/Connie Refit option, this would open up the option for a T5 Fleet version of the Excalibur-Vesper, which is long overdue, and would provide the chronological separation these ships deserve in terms of usefulness. As it stands right now, because the T2 Cruiser has a Constitution Refit skin on it, it can't be made into a T5 Fleet version, even though the Excalibur and Vesper are ships from the 2400s, and newer than the Nova (2371) and the Sabre (2370) which already enjoy T5 Fleet versions.
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