I have done some testing. And my Tac in my Fleet Defiant still does insane DPS compared to my Tac in my Fleet Assault Cruiser. Sorry to say, testing over and done, and it's still Escorts online. Don't take this the wrong way, but maybe you're building your escorts wrong.
I am going to counter this and say you are building your cruisers wrong. lol
That's the thing, you can claim all day that everybody who disagrees with you is wrong, just as I can do the same. The simple truth is, cruisers are a lot better than a lot of folks give them credit for been, they simply don't know how to build them. Where I happen to belong to a fleet with some of the biggest DPSers in the game, I'm sure you are familiar with them, you've probably argued with them too.
Incidentally, it's actually Dreadnoughts online, as I can easily do 15k dps in one of these. :P All this whilst having an insanely good tank. Good job this is such an expensive ship really else everybody would be in one.
I do love though how folks ignore the point of my post though, that been that we want more content full stop, where it goes doesn't matter. Ner folks would rather continue to push the egenda of their escort hatred....:rolleyes:
Incidentally, it's actually Dreadnoughts online, as I can easily do 15k dps in one of these. :P All this whilst having an insanely good tank. Good job this is such an expensive ship really else everybody would be in one.
Ah. Well of course you pick the cruiser that can use DHCs. I am no longer impressed. Or even close. Decloaking alphas from a phaser lance and dhc and APA3 and FOMM3. I can do almost triple that kind of damage with ANY escort you give me.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
Triple his dps would be 45k. You may be able to hit one enemy for that high, but your overall eSTF dps won't read that high. Using just polaron beam arrays i've hit tac cubes for 30k dps before, but my overall eSTF dps was only 10k. Fenr00k's dps is an overall score, not just a one derived from attacking a small collection of enemies with every power no longer on cool down, which is what your dps claim seems to suggest.
The best Fleet Defiant build i've seen was one running romulan plasma, and it only averaged 20k dps for the entire eSTF. So i'm going to call BS on you doing triple his damage, and double his damage could even be a stretch.
no REAL original content for the KDF came along til season 8...
There is no season 8 yet. This is season 7 with an update. Season 8 is the next one to be released
To be fair, the KDF did get some really good (eight) missions in Season 2 - that at the time was considered some of the best content Cryptic had produced in STO to that date...
I hope thats intended to be sarcastic. They got 8 short missions, 3 years ago and almost nothing since, content wise. Even the stuff they got now is consists of little more than a short tutorial and a slightly rewritten pre-existing fed story arc. So don't even go there.
Triple his dps would be 45k. You may be able to hit one enemy for that high, but your overall eSTF dps won't read that high. Using just polaron beam arrays i've hit tac cubes for 30k dps before, but my overall eSTF dps was only 10k. Fenr00k's dps is an overall score, not just a one derived from attacking a small collection of enemies with every power no longer on cool down, which is what your dps claim seems to suggest.
The best Fleet Defiant build i've seen was one running romulan plasma, and it only averaged 20k dps for the entire eSTF. So i'm going to call BS on you doing triple his damage, and double his damage could even be a stretch.
Highest spike I ever hit was 50k DPS, but that was only for about 5 seconds. But the average DPS you can easily maintain is around 30k with most fleet escorts. Add in a hyper plasma and you can maintain a much higher level of DPS.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
It would of been far better to assume command of ship is to be attacked by klinks close to neuatral space instead of the vega colony borg invasion.It is as if that is the way the borg are but by no means are they.
There should be better rewards other than what you get now as Feds get no warp core and the Klinks get 2 same goes for Roms or more.
please don't derail this thread in tac vs geer thread.
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Well, maybe they'll update the Federation tutorial along with the other older missions Dstahl said they would be looking at. Even I, a KDF enthusiast, can agree that a number of Federation missions could use some work, in light of what's offered via LoR.
Well, maybe they'll update the Federation tutorial along with the other older missions Dstahl said they would be looking at. Even I, a KDF enthusiast, can agree that a number of Federation missions could use some work, in light of what's offered via LoR.
Out of all the posts I've seen online, his was actually very easy to read. He's right though, a lot of the FED missions do need to at least be updated. There's a lot of missions in Feds than KDF, but holy TRIBBLE a lot of them are boring filler. One of the missions from before you even get your fourth BOFF has you going into gas nebulae for another Fed ship and the nebulae keep you from engaging full impulse for so long. You travel at like, .1km per second and the nebulae are always at least 30 km away from the previous spot.
As I still main KDF, I would disagree with Fed needing more contents.
However, the tutorial is basically what makes the game attractive, and since most people do and will pick Fed for their first character, They need to make it a bit more... personal.
To put it in perspective:
-KDF tutorial - what started out as a simple Klingon promotion become much more, as your interaction first with Drake, then with K'mtar, allows player to connect with the characters. Also, you DO interact with Worf.
-Romulan tutorial: A "doomed hometown" story. Despite the cliche and Tovan, you do have a certain connection with your bridge crew.
Contrasting that with
Fed tutorial: You just happen to be an ensign that is in the wrong place at the right time. You are just going through the motion. I didn't even know Shron's family is also on Vegas until I read the wiki. Oh, and you started out right in the middle of crisis, while KDF and Romulan tutorial started with something more.... normal.
What they can do is to make Shron also an ensign, or lieutenant - a good friend of the player. You started out together in normal interaction, and then when crisis hit, both are sent over. Change it so that on both ships, Shron and the player is the highest ranking person, leaving Shron to command one ship while the player command the starter.
TL;DR: Fed tutorial need a more personal connection.
Highest spike I ever hit was 50k DPS, but that was only for about 5 seconds. But the average DPS you can easily maintain is around 30k with most fleet escorts. Add in a hyper plasma and you can maintain a much higher level of DPS.
Please share with us your magic, because that isn't possible.
Well that "choice" is often just the least bad of several bad options. Either join and lose your sovereignity, or be at the mercy of the Klingons and other bad guys. Due to that convinent prime directive the Federation has, other planets have to join or not be able to ever receive help from the Federation. So all the smaller 1 star system alien races around Federation space have no real shot at being independent, either do what the "good cop", the Federation wants and join up, or be at the mercy of the "bad cops" Klingon, borg, etc.
Just like Bajor was pretty much left with no choice, the Federation wouldn't have defended Bajoran space and manned DS9 forever if Bajor wasn't trying to join.
your wrong about one thing. the prime directive is about approaching planets that don't have warp capabilities. basically saying that the federation does not mess with the affairs of technologically in-advanced civilizations. the federation charter actually says to help anyone in need of help. the federation "occupied" DS9 at the request of the Bajorians so that they could keep the peace between the Cardasians and the Bajorians. every member of the federation joins up willingly and keeps there government, while sending representatives to earth to represent there culture. like a futreistic UN witch it was designed after.
Please share with us your magic, because that isn't possible.
50k DPS not being possible. LOL. How else do you see Tacscorts bring Borg cubes down in seconds? Why else do you see gateways and tac cubes melt? Against NPCs it's very VERY easy to hit massive levels of spike DPS. You want to know how I hit 50k DPS for 10 seconds? Here's how:
9 points in Starship Weapons Training, 9 points in Starship Energy Weapons, 9 points in Starship Targeting Systems, 6 points in Energy Weapon Specialization as skills go.
125 power in weapons, Omega Weapon Amplifier, Disruptor Breach, 4 Disruptor Dual Heavy Cannons mk XII [crtd] [crth]x2, 2 Disruptor Turret mk XII [crtd] [crth]x2, 1 Kinetic Cutting Beam, Assimilated Module, Zero Point Energy Conduit, 5 Disruptor Induction Coil mk XII (purple).
That's how you hit 50k dps. It won't SUSTAIN 50k dps (the sustain is actually closer to 15k) but you can easily spike to 50k with this build. With a few tweaks I could spike higher, but I am lazy.
There's your magic. It's not magic, it's simple build knowledge.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
Really all the Federation needs is It's Tutorial revamped and all of it's "dated" story missions brought up to current specs.
Then Cryptic needs to Get the Iconians in game for all 3 factions to deal with.
Seriously i want a piece of them already!
This is really want I would like to see not fighting a bunch iof wimpy borg.I would rather assume command of my ship by being attacked by Klinks close to the neautral zone which the Capt and 1st off die.
Please take your Tac vs Cruser debates else where stop hijacking especially you up there who can't follow board rules.
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Well Idk what empire you mean, It'd be cool if they had a Terran faction lol but Federation empire?
Anywho, I was disappointed they didnt redo the fed intro as well. I know they spoonfeed them all the best stuff and make the Klingons basically kiss up to them every other mission, (the way the Orions have to do to klingons ahem) but I'd love a bit of story put into your little andorian girl like Oh I was on the colony or "Oh Im one of the last surviving members of your crew" can she at least get a speaking role? She's adorable and I'd like to hear her
IMO all the old missions need to be redone, anyway, and Klingons and romulans need to drop the into the past mission and have their own version because it bugs the poo outta me that they are treated like starfleet when they arrive
I would rather see everyone get a unique storyline and each faction remain a seperate faction. The missions that are on both KDF and fed could very easily become a side story line. Not play fed and then roll a KDF/Romulan and get a handfull of new content at the start then repeat content you already did once. Then buy more character slots? maybe in a couple monthes when the content may feel a little fresh.
KDF definatly needs more outfit choices and romulans are seriously hurting for ships. The choices a Romulan has for a token are a bad joke since you really only have 4 from 1 to 40 with the last one in 3 variants. If anything they couldve atleast did 1 of each class in BOFF and console layouts since they have no excuse for not doing just that.
As for consoles from C store ships each faction should have a variation of that console just to maintain balance, does not have to be exactly the same and most assured should not be exactly the same.
OP is right about the warp core repeatable from the mission, KDF and Romulans get a repeatable warp core so fed should have gotten one as well even though the mission one isnt all that great, still sometimes you dont want to buy gear when leveling.
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I am going to counter this and say you are building your cruisers wrong. lol
That's the thing, you can claim all day that everybody who disagrees with you is wrong, just as I can do the same. The simple truth is, cruisers are a lot better than a lot of folks give them credit for been, they simply don't know how to build them. Where I happen to belong to a fleet with some of the biggest DPSers in the game, I'm sure you are familiar with them, you've probably argued with them too.
Incidentally, it's actually Dreadnoughts online, as I can easily do 15k dps in one of these. :P All this whilst having an insanely good tank. Good job this is such an expensive ship really else everybody would be in one.
I do love though how folks ignore the point of my post though, that been that we want more content full stop, where it goes doesn't matter. Ner folks would rather continue to push the egenda of their escort hatred....:rolleyes:
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Ah. Well of course you pick the cruiser that can use DHCs. I am no longer impressed. Or even close. Decloaking alphas from a phaser lance and dhc and APA3 and FOMM3. I can do almost triple that kind of damage with ANY escort you give me.
The best Fleet Defiant build i've seen was one running romulan plasma, and it only averaged 20k dps for the entire eSTF. So i'm going to call BS on you doing triple his damage, and double his damage could even be a stretch.
There is no season 8 yet. This is season 7 with an update. Season 8 is the next one to be released
I hope thats intended to be sarcastic. They got 8 short missions, 3 years ago and almost nothing since, content wise. Even the stuff they got now is consists of little more than a short tutorial and a slightly rewritten pre-existing fed story arc. So don't even go there.
Highest spike I ever hit was 50k DPS, but that was only for about 5 seconds. But the average DPS you can easily maintain is around 30k with most fleet escorts. Add in a hyper plasma and you can maintain a much higher level of DPS.
There should be better rewards other than what you get now as Feds get no warp core and the Klinks get 2 same goes for Roms or more.
please don't derail this thread in tac vs geer thread.
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I am Sorry, but could you repeat this in english?
Out of all the posts I've seen online, his was actually very easy to read. He's right though, a lot of the FED missions do need to at least be updated. There's a lot of missions in Feds than KDF, but holy TRIBBLE a lot of them are boring filler. One of the missions from before you even get your fourth BOFF has you going into gas nebulae for another Fed ship and the nebulae keep you from engaging full impulse for so long. You travel at like, .1km per second and the nebulae are always at least 30 km away from the previous spot.
As I still main KDF, I would disagree with Fed needing more contents.
However, the tutorial is basically what makes the game attractive, and since most people do and will pick Fed for their first character, They need to make it a bit more... personal.
To put it in perspective:
-KDF tutorial - what started out as a simple Klingon promotion become much more, as your interaction first with Drake, then with K'mtar, allows player to connect with the characters. Also, you DO interact with Worf.
-Romulan tutorial: A "doomed hometown" story. Despite the cliche and Tovan, you do have a certain connection with your bridge crew.
Contrasting that with
Fed tutorial: You just happen to be an ensign that is in the wrong place at the right time. You are just going through the motion. I didn't even know Shron's family is also on Vegas until I read the wiki. Oh, and you started out right in the middle of crisis, while KDF and Romulan tutorial started with something more.... normal.
What they can do is to make Shron also an ensign, or lieutenant - a good friend of the player. You started out together in normal interaction, and then when crisis hit, both are sent over. Change it so that on both ships, Shron and the player is the highest ranking person, leaving Shron to command one ship while the player command the starter.
TL;DR: Fed tutorial need a more personal connection.
Then Cryptic needs to Get the Iconians in game for all 3 factions to deal with.
Seriously i want a piece of them already!
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Please share with us your magic, because that isn't possible.
your wrong about one thing. the prime directive is about approaching planets that don't have warp capabilities. basically saying that the federation does not mess with the affairs of technologically in-advanced civilizations. the federation charter actually says to help anyone in need of help. the federation "occupied" DS9 at the request of the Bajorians so that they could keep the peace between the Cardasians and the Bajorians. every member of the federation joins up willingly and keeps there government, while sending representatives to earth to represent there culture. like a futreistic UN witch it was designed after.
Fed: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=780321
RR: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=12150781#post12150781
KDF: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=784941
50k DPS not being possible. LOL. How else do you see Tacscorts bring Borg cubes down in seconds? Why else do you see gateways and tac cubes melt? Against NPCs it's very VERY easy to hit massive levels of spike DPS. You want to know how I hit 50k DPS for 10 seconds? Here's how:
APA3, FOMM3, TF2, GDF3, TT1, CRF1, APO3, EPtW2 as abilities go.
9 points in Starship Weapons Training, 9 points in Starship Energy Weapons, 9 points in Starship Targeting Systems, 6 points in Energy Weapon Specialization as skills go.
125 power in weapons, Omega Weapon Amplifier, Disruptor Breach, 4 Disruptor Dual Heavy Cannons mk XII [crtd] [crth]x2, 2 Disruptor Turret mk XII [crtd] [crth]x2, 1 Kinetic Cutting Beam, Assimilated Module, Zero Point Energy Conduit, 5 Disruptor Induction Coil mk XII (purple).
That's how you hit 50k dps. It won't SUSTAIN 50k dps (the sustain is actually closer to 15k) but you can easily spike to 50k with this build. With a few tweaks I could spike higher, but I am lazy.
There's your magic. It's not magic, it's simple build knowledge.
This is really want I would like to see not fighting a bunch iof wimpy borg.I would rather assume command of my ship by being attacked by Klinks close to the neautral zone which the Capt and 1st off die.
Please take your Tac vs Cruser debates else where stop hijacking especially you up there who can't follow board rules.
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Anywho, I was disappointed they didnt redo the fed intro as well. I know they spoonfeed them all the best stuff and make the Klingons basically kiss up to them every other mission, (the way the Orions have to do to klingons ahem) but I'd love a bit of story put into your little andorian girl like Oh I was on the colony or "Oh Im one of the last surviving members of your crew" can she at least get a speaking role? She's adorable and I'd like to hear her
IMO all the old missions need to be redone, anyway, and Klingons and romulans need to drop the into the past mission and have their own version because it bugs the poo outta me that they are treated like starfleet when they arrive
Klingon's as I understand it didn't even really get any new content they got old fed content.
KDF definatly needs more outfit choices and romulans are seriously hurting for ships. The choices a Romulan has for a token are a bad joke since you really only have 4 from 1 to 40 with the last one in 3 variants. If anything they couldve atleast did 1 of each class in BOFF and console layouts since they have no excuse for not doing just that.
As for consoles from C store ships each faction should have a variation of that console just to maintain balance, does not have to be exactly the same and most assured should not be exactly the same.
OP is right about the warp core repeatable from the mission, KDF and Romulans get a repeatable warp core so fed should have gotten one as well even though the mission one isnt all that great, still sometimes you dont want to buy gear when leveling.
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Fed tutorial predates all the way back to day 1 in beta and back then there was no thought of doing STFs which we all know how the borg are today.
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