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novapolaris
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I heard through the grapevine that the idea is being tossed around within the team of switching armor consoles over to using their own, dedicated equipment slot. I say go for it! I would love to see armor consoles be moved to their own starship equipment type.
Not only would it allow for an extra bit of defense in builds that heavily utilize other types of consoles, it would also lay the groundwork for eventual starship armor visuals, like with ground armor. They could even be made as parts of new space sets, like Omega Force.
Not only would it allow for an extra bit of defense in builds that heavily utilize other types of consoles, it would also lay the groundwork for eventual starship armor visuals, like with ground armor. They could even be made as parts of new space sets, like Omega Force.
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Could you pass that along the grapevine? Thanks.
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The thing is, game staff for system additions and reworks are not necessarily the same people as or even qualified to serve as bug fixers. Sure, I'd love tons of bugfixes, but that shouldn't technically be mutually exclusive with adding something like this.
Who knows either way I'm all for it
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And I can agree with it having a visual effect - watch the Voyager finale "Endgame", the ship looks a lot different after they activate the Ablative Armor...
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Off my nerd rage though, it would make sense. Besides the visuals, which aren't a huge deal to me, it just makes sense that the armor/hull plating would be a separate "system." You can't very well leave space dock without some sort of hull (well, you could, but you wouldn't last long unless you are a borg ship). So, generally speaking, it would make sense to have hull plating as a specific system.
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How I felt it should work is that the technology is based on what Voyager brought back, but only the special console can do the full "near-invincible" thing with it. It would still, however, apply visual effects on equip.
It'd be great if they turned the ablative armor generator console into an armor console - if they gave ships a dedicated armor slot - with the ability, and the generator module parts for the default visual effect.
some ships have 2 some have 4 engineering consoles..
would they be adjusted?
im all for it.. engineering consoles are under used.. mostly because there is too many to choose from.
[12:44] Vessel One of Two Unimatrix 01 deals 1019527 (1157678) Kinetic Damage to you with Plasma Energy Bolt Explosion.
Lets face it, what is 10k hull when you're being pelted by dual cannons and your opponent can have as much as if not more defense than you?
You can have the different classes of ships get different benefits from gear, similar to the Shield Modifier.
That said, I'm largely mixed on it, because it leaves little in the way of desired engineering consoles. But, well, there's little in the way of desired science consoles too so that's not as big of a deal I guess.
If nothing else it leaves room for more universal consoles.
I used 3 different sets of armor to get a 30%+ on a majority of effects, 2 others at 40%+ and this I use for a cruiser class.What ratio will be lost, if these changes do come down the pike?
Wait a sec, what? Group A puts features into the game and there is a group B as a cleanup crew? Really...
I'd also like to be able to put dual beam bank on my aft weapon slots too. Can't do it on an escort class. :mad:
Same as on ground. One slot per ship. This would mean that armor consoles would need a bit of reworking, however, such as receiving unique modifiers like ground armor and warp cores. Besides, if certain ships got multiple slots, it would make giving the armor unique visuals... problematic.
As for effectiveness modifiers that sounds like it could work, if done right, at least.
The last I read about that was this: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=8645511#post8645511 which sounds more like "still in works" than given up.
My answer to this was that:
What about an Option 3? Give all ships a single armor slot, but give the different types of ships different armor modifiers. Wouldn't that potentially solve the problem that Gecko talked about in the post you linked?
If you make the tank on all ships more powerful, then PVE becomes even easier, unless the NPC's are buffed to compensate, in which case you have accomplished nothing.
And for PVP, the intention you have in mind I would guess is that having that Armour slot available 'free', you would be able to load up and extra DPS console. But so would everyone else. Or maybe you just want to turtle up, but again to no purpose.
Really I think I understand why you would have thought of this, I'm sure everyone thinks, 'I have all these great consoles, why cant i just put them ALL on', but the fact that you have to make choices is what make these things interesting.
That's quite the complicated thread-killer you have there. However, is it not possible that I didn't start this thread for selfish, game-unbalancing reasons? I also did not mention anything about freeing up console slots, even if that was a logical conclusion to draw.
Additionally, the bonus from even a Mk XII armor console isn't all that much. Many enemies, especially in STFs, will still be able to easily tear through player ships with a good hit. Same with player ones. It wouldn't be that unbalancing, since every ship type would get one, and only one slot.
As for this idea being "silly", many other people would seem to disagree with you, considering the mostly positive responses. It sounds more to me like you want to shoot this down because it doesn't fit with what you want.
I could see that.
Light Armor gives + Speed Modifiers
Heavy Armor - Speed Modifiers
Other modifiers could include absorption abilities, regeneration abilities (Borg Armor), Ablative properties, and more.
That wasn't exactly what I was referring to, but I like the sound of it. Armor consoles could use their own special modifiers, especially if they're going to be made into a unique starship equipment type.
What I was referring to, however, was like how it works for shields and turnrate. The type of ship may have a modifier value on it that determines how strong the armor's protection values are when applied to it. This would allow Cryptic to balance the armor for each type of ship.
It is a bad idea. Ships are tanky enough already. If you make them even tougher it will make pve even easier as it is now and pvp will take way longer then it is already.
The hits you mean in stfs, are normally teh borg heyvy plasma torps, which you can shoot down, or the cutting beam which isn?t much of a threat as long as you have a minimum amount of shields.
The only thing you will acomplish with such a slot is that escorts get even more tankier which makes the other ships even more a second choice(in terms of time you need for missions in pve) then they already are.
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This is why I am suggesting giving different vessel types an armor modifier value. That way, the armor value that each ship can have can be balanced to keep things working as intended. And like I said before, one single armor console does not give much more survivability than normal; avoidable big hits or not. I believe you are nitpicking.
Having dedicated armor slots would be beneficial to freeing up increasingly valuable console slots though, especially as more and more consoles are introduced into the end-game. I'd also like to think this could, as others have mentioned, lend itself to further aesthetic effects and customization. As well, armor could also potentially become part of different item sets.
I think it is true that ship armor in general needs to be redesigned, as there's really only one type of armor that anyone equips anyhow. I'd like to see armor not just providing kinetic and energy damage resistance, but perhaps offer other bonuses that synergize with different setups and builds as well. Perhaps have armor that augments different types of Boff abilities--like Polarize Hull, or Aux2Sif. I think there's a lot of room for improvement with armor, and a lot of potential to explore that with a dedicated armor equipment slot, much in the same way that Warp Cores have been designed.
No. Unless the universal escort modifier for all armor slot items is -100% which would be the same as them not having a slot at all.
What gecko describes is that escorts are working as intended and do not need anything added. But if they get something he has to change so much of the other stuff to have an endresult of ZERO change for the escort since, I think I said it already, it already is WAI.
Thats why I said Option 1 would be best since it directly adresses the problem (other ships than the escort are not as fine as it is) WITHOUT exploding back in your face with a potential metaton of bugs for massively changing so much stuff for the sole reason that certain ships types can move a new item around for no effect at all because certain ppl just dont get the problem into their heads.
Which would mean you would need a modifier for escorts to make them the same as they are now. Depending on the setup you can tank tac cubes in elite stfs with nearly every ship already, so there is not really a need for even more survivability.
The thing which is off the charts is the balance in terms of how many damage you can dish out and how many you can take. But making certain ships even more tankier won?t solve the problem.
And btw. pve is easy enough already, so there is no reason to boost the ships cause of pve. With the added Cores ships got a boost already anyways.
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He never responded back to that thread at all. The clarification that the armor concept was dropped was in an podcast/interview mentioned somewhere in an forum thread (if I'm remembering correctly anyway). In the same interview his latest thing at the time was the concept of aura type buffs for cruisers. I have no idea if this idea was moving forward or if something else struck Cryptic's fancy.