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Doctor Who News (MAJOR SPOILER)

scruffyvulcanscruffyvulcan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited June 2013 in Ten Forward
Matt Smith has announced he's leaving.

Wow.
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  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,115 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Matt Smith has announced he's leaving.

    Wow.

    Honestly, of all the new Doctors, I liked him the least; so for me, it may be an improvement depending on who they hire next (assuming the BBC continues the show at this point.)
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  • scruffyvulcanscruffyvulcan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Honestly, of all the new Doctors, I liked him the least; so for me, it may be an improvement depending on who they hire next (assuming the BBC continues the show at this point.)

    I liked him, but he definitely wasn't my favorite. I just felt like he was a very good fit for the new tone of the show after Tennant (whom I still miss) left. I really thought Smith would have a very long tenure. I was surprised to see him leave.

    I am excited to meet the next one, though. I guess that says quite a bit about Smith. With Tennant, I was dreading the transition, but now I'm curious about it.

    That's not to say I disliked him in the role. It just felt more like a reboot of Who than a continuation. I can't explain how or why, but that's how his tenure felt to me. And I didn't think Doctor Who needed a reboot then. It was far from stale.
  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,115 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I liked him, but he definitely wasn't my favorite. I just felt like he was a very good fit for the new tone of the show after Tennant (whom I still miss) left. I really thought Smith would have a very long tenure. I was surprised to see him leave.

    I am excited to meet the next one, though. I guess that says quite a bit about Smith. With Tennant, I was dreading the transition, but now I'm curious about it.

    That's not to say I disliked him in the role. It just felt more like a reboot of Who than a continuation. I can't explain how or why, but that's how his tenure felt to me. And I didn't think Doctor Who needed a reboot then. It was far from stale.

    Agreed about Tennant (For me, he was right up there with Tom Baker and he was the first Doctor post Baker that I really liked and was sorry to see go - although it was an offer he couldn't pass up.)
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,490 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I dunno - I thought Tennant's Doctor was a little dour. And I got so tired of him saying, "I'm sorry," all the damned time.

    However, given what was revealed at the end of the last season, doesn't that mean the Doctor's out of regenerations? Or am I miscounting?
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    jonsills wrote: »
    I dunno - I thought Tennant's Doctor was a little dour. And I got so tired of him saying, "I'm sorry," all the damned time.

    However, given what was revealed at the end of the last season, doesn't that mean the Doctor's out of regenerations? Or am I miscounting?
    I believe he got all of River's regenerations when she saved him and gave him all her energy.
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  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited June 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    I believe he got all of River's regenerations when she saved him and gave him all her energy.

    Probably true. That would give him another 10 lives, if the onscreen count of River's used lives is accurate. (I've not seen anything after the 2nd to the last episode with "the Ponds", so for all I know a timey-wimey event might have showed another regeneration in her past. I'll be catching up soon.)

    I seem to recall someone saying there was some other event in the new series that might have triggered either a high number of bonus regenerations, or an infinite number. I don't remember what that nebulous moment was, though. :confused:
  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Smith has been alright but he just doesn't seem to have the emotional range of Tennant or Eccleston. The ability to be giddy and excited and happy and heartbroken and terrified and monstrous.

    "You're in the biggest library in the universe. I'm the Doctor. Look me up."
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    "I'm not ready."

    Smith has been getting better during his run, but still can't pull those sorts of things off. The scripts of course haven't been helping him and I'd rather have a new writer than a new Doctor, but maybe an adjustment will help a series thats gotten a little stagnant.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I no it will not happen but would love for the 10th Doctor to come back I cryed when he left
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  • pegasuscicpegasuscic Member Posts: 157 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Agreed about Tennant (For me, he was right up there with Tom Baker and he was the first Doctor post Baker that I really liked and was sorry to see go - although it was an offer he couldn't pass up.)

    I liked Tennant as well. In fact, I was a solid "Tom Baker is the best Doctor" guy up until Tennant. After Tennant, I had to go with Tennant. Though Baker is was still a great Doctor. Pertwee is probably the 3rd best.
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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,172 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Please be Death by Daleks.
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  • pierzypierzy Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    They need a black Doctor, I'd peg Idris Elba to take the helm.
  • lostcause212lostcause212 Member Posts: 160 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I'm pretty sure they're trying to quietly forget the "thirteen regeneration limit" thing. Since it was something that a writer came up with a long time ago when no-one expected the show to still be going after all this time.

    EDIT: Or rather they want to, but the fandom probably won't let them. To quote RTD:
    When they came [to America] to launch The Eleventh Hour, I went along to this screening in LA and journalists put their hands up, and one of the first questions was, "What will happen when he reaches the thirteenth regeneration?" There's a fascinating academic study to be made out of how some facts stick and some don't ? how Jon Pertwee's Doctor could say he was thousands of years old, and no-one listens to that, and yet someone once says he?s only got thirteen lives, and it becomes lore. It's really interesting, I think. That's why I?m quite serious that that 507 thing won't stick, because the 13 is too deeply ingrained in the public consciousness. But how? How did that get there?
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  • twg042370twg042370 Member Posts: 2,312 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Too bad. I preferred him to the last two guys.

    But his episodes, on the whole, have been worse than the last two guys. But I never blame the actors for bad scripts and bad show runners because I was around for the old series and know very well how it goes for the show.
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  • wildthyme467989wildthyme467989 Member Posts: 1,286 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    daan2006 wrote: »
    I no it will not happen but would love for the 10th Doctor to come back I cryed when he left

    He is back, along with Rose too, only for the 50th anniversary episode though as far as we know
  • enterprise629enterprise629 Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Smiths' Doctor is said to have a "spectacular" ending.

    I hope he regenerates from a broken heart (in the Cybermen episode he said he could do it whenever he feels like it) (also: I know, this sounds cheesy) - Darillium, the Singing Towers in the background, sending River to her death, it would be lovely.

    He doesn't like endings, and he knows this is the end for her, the real River and not some hologram or something, forcing himself to change and move on through regret and depression that he knows, she'll die in the Library.

    :')

    The send off in The Name of the Doctor was also, a somewhat closure, but my idea would bring a complete end to their arc. The 50th would explain why Rivers' sonic is a mix up of Tennant and Smiths', so I would think that would be a fitting end.

    But that's just my opinion.
  • the1tiggletthe1tigglet Member Posts: 1,421 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I liked that Tennant showed the darker sadder side of the Doctor and that Smith showed the boyish scientific genious side of the doctor.

    I definitely do not want a new writer Moffat's shows are always some of the best ever.

    I hope they continue the show many a kid will be disappointed if they don't.
  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited June 2013
    pierzy wrote: »
    They need a black Doctor, I'd peg Idris Elba to take the helm.

    I've thought for a while that I'd really like to see Colin Salmon in the role to play the first black Doctor.


    At some point they're really going to need to answer the "ginger" joke though.
  • hfmuddhfmudd Member Posts: 881 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    That's a damn shame. I've liked him, a lot.

    Then again, the whole reason regeneration exists, as a thing within the show, is to allow for actor changes like this - all the way back to Hartnell.

    (IMO, Tennant was quite all right, but he suffered sometimes from being RTD's personal plaything and avatar - watching his finale, one gets the strong feeling that "I don't want to go" is being equally voiced by Tennant the actor, whose boyhood dream this role was, and RTD himself. And that's why that finale pushes the melodrama button so much - isn't it sad, don't you love him, whyyyyyyy.)

    The showrunners of the new era have done some great things and some deeply, deeply problematic things. :(
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  • sparrowhawk4sparrowhawk4 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    David Tennant was the Doctor that made me fall in love with Doctor Who, so I could never really bring myself to forgive the guy who replaced him. Maybe I'll be able to move on now.

    As for the twelve regenerations thing, in a past episode (can't remember which) I'm pretty sure the Time Lords offered the Master a new regeneration cycle. Wouldn't it make sense for them to give that to all Time Lords during the Time War?
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  • tcostiktcostik Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    pierzy wrote: »
    They need a black Doctor, I'd peg Idris Elba to take the helm.

    Idris is one a new favorite of mine. I haven't seen him in much, but I've loved him in everything I've seen. I'm not sure he'd be a good Doctor though. He just doesn't have that Doctor feel, IMO.
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,172 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    pierzy wrote: »
    They need a black Doctor, I'd peg Idris Elba to take the helm.

    No they dont.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Personally, I hope they pick someone older for 12. Jenna is quite hot and I think they need an older Doctor this time to quell some of the sexual tension. 10 had sexual tension with Rose. 11 had River, and then the will they/won't they thing with Amy, and now Clara. 12 needs to go back to the crazy grandpa Doctor. But I guess all the possible romantic angst is what keeps the kids coming back each week.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,490 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Maybe not "crazy grandpa", but when we first met River in the Library, she made a comment about how young the Doctor looked. But Matt Smith looks younger than David Tennant, so currently that makes no sense. (I know, it would hardly be the first thing in this show that got ignored later, but still.) So, IMO, they should cast someone who looks older than Tennant for the next Doctor.

    And I suppose it's possible that when 13 dies, he discovers, much to his surprise, that he has bonus regenerations, due to the "regeneration energy" not being used by any other Gallifreyans since the time-lock. Of course, he'll never know after that if he has any bonus lives left...
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  • maddog0000doommaddog0000doom Member Posts: 1,017 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    god i hate doctor who so much i dont know how people can sit down and watch that rubbish.

    the only thing its got going for it is the fact we are forced to pay for the bbc with money always comming in its not going to be canceled any time soon.

    i hope in 2015 the bbc fund gets axed. why should i pay for TRIBBLE i dont want to watch, sky tv ftw
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  • johngazmanjohngazman Member Posts: 2,826 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    SkyBet's odds on favorite is Ben Daniels.

    Personally, I know it's long odds, but Doogie Howser would be awesome for the role.
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  • qjuniorqjunior Member Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I liked all the Doctors so far... but I haven?t seen much of the very old stuff. I saw some of the 7th Doctor I think and all of the 2005 reboot.

    How about a female Doctor ? Is that possible outside of a parody ? Or is gender a fixed thing with Time Lords ?
  • jornadojornado Member Posts: 918 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I'm gonna be honest - I hated David Tenant with a passion I had formerly reserved for Peter Davison. Tenant marrying Davison's daughter was the ultimate display of the total narcissism with which he approached the role, and indeed every role he takes on.

    He murders Shakespeare, and everything he touches with a ham-handed "Watch-me-I'm-so-awesome" speed reading approach that for me removes any emotion or depth that should come across.

    Part of my loathing DOES come from the writing through the Tenant years, with the scripts seemingly played on fast forward - the only relevant dialog was Tenant either apologizing, threatening, or bawling, with each of those actions differing not one whit from the others. Old Who canon was used only as a crutch to propel the story without having to stoop to use expository dialog and to set up another effects shot. While I credit RTD with bringing back a show I love, and the sheer genius to reboot the series with an incredibly strong actor like Eccleston, after the first series it was up there with The Watchmen film in terms of self-indulgent directorial drivel.

    The first two Matt Smith series did suffer from a few of the issus, especially trying to cram in too many effects shots with little real dialog, but there were several exceptions that made it much more watchable.

    Matt Smith DID reboot the role - in a way more in line with the "proper" Doctors, I.e. Troughton, Pertwee, Baker, and McCoy (Hartnell is also a "proper" doctor, however since the Doctor character was not completely conceptualized until the end of his reign, his portrayal has some notable discrepancies from the Doctor's eventual form).

    The second half of the latest series finally corrected the lazy writing and sloppy construction of NuWho and allowed Smith more freedom to actually do something Tenant never does - ACT.

    I am incredibly sorry at the thought of Smith leaving the role - I'd almost rather NuWho ends with him in hopes of a better quality reboot farther down the line.
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  • twg042370twg042370 Member Posts: 2,312 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    god i hate doctor who so much i dont know how people can sit down and watch that rubbish.

    the only thing its got going for it is the fact we are forced to pay for the bbc with money always comming in its not going to be canceled any time soon.

    i hope in 2015 the bbc fund gets axed. why should i pay for TRIBBLE i dont want to watch, sky tv ftw

    Cool story, bro.
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  • solarigonsolarigon Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    johngazman wrote: »
    SkyBet's odds on favorite is Ben Daniels.

    Personally, I know it's long odds, but Doogie Howser would be awesome for the role.

    My personal pick for the Doctor would be Mathew Baynton of Horrible Histories. He's kind of a Time Traveller already so it wouldn't be a too different a role.
  • maddog0000doommaddog0000doom Member Posts: 1,017 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    twg042370 wrote: »
    Cool story, bro.

    thanks psy
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