Honestly, of all the new Doctors, I liked him the least; so for me, it may be an improvement depending on who they hire next (assuming the BBC continues the show at this point.)
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Honestly, of all the new Doctors, I liked him the least; so for me, it may be an improvement depending on who they hire next (assuming the BBC continues the show at this point.)
I liked him, but he definitely wasn't my favorite. I just felt like he was a very good fit for the new tone of the show after Tennant (whom I still miss) left. I really thought Smith would have a very long tenure. I was surprised to see him leave.
I am excited to meet the next one, though. I guess that says quite a bit about Smith. With Tennant, I was dreading the transition, but now I'm curious about it.
That's not to say I disliked him in the role. It just felt more like a reboot of Who than a continuation. I can't explain how or why, but that's how his tenure felt to me. And I didn't think Doctor Who needed a reboot then. It was far from stale.
I liked him, but he definitely wasn't my favorite. I just felt like he was a very good fit for the new tone of the show after Tennant (whom I still miss) left. I really thought Smith would have a very long tenure. I was surprised to see him leave.
I am excited to meet the next one, though. I guess that says quite a bit about Smith. With Tennant, I was dreading the transition, but now I'm curious about it.
That's not to say I disliked him in the role. It just felt more like a reboot of Who than a continuation. I can't explain how or why, but that's how his tenure felt to me. And I didn't think Doctor Who needed a reboot then. It was far from stale.
Agreed about Tennant (For me, he was right up there with Tom Baker and he was the first Doctor post Baker that I really liked and was sorry to see go - although it was an offer he couldn't pass up.)
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I dunno - I thought Tennant's Doctor was a little dour. And I got so tired of him saying, "I'm sorry," all the damned time.
However, given what was revealed at the end of the last season, doesn't that mean the Doctor's out of regenerations? Or am I miscounting?
I believe he got all of River's regenerations when she saved him and gave him all her energy.
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I believe he got all of River's regenerations when she saved him and gave him all her energy.
Probably true. That would give him another 10 lives, if the onscreen count of River's used lives is accurate. (I've not seen anything after the 2nd to the last episode with "the Ponds", so for all I know a timey-wimey event might have showed another regeneration in her past. I'll be catching up soon.)
I seem to recall someone saying there was some other event in the new series that might have triggered either a high number of bonus regenerations, or an infinite number. I don't remember what that nebulous moment was, though.
Smith has been alright but he just doesn't seem to have the emotional range of Tennant or Eccleston. The ability to be giddy and excited and happy and heartbroken and terrified and monstrous.
"You're in the biggest library in the universe. I'm the Doctor. Look me up."
or
"I'm not ready."
Smith has been getting better during his run, but still can't pull those sorts of things off. The scripts of course haven't been helping him and I'd rather have a new writer than a new Doctor, but maybe an adjustment will help a series thats gotten a little stagnant.
Agreed about Tennant (For me, he was right up there with Tom Baker and he was the first Doctor post Baker that I really liked and was sorry to see go - although it was an offer he couldn't pass up.)
I liked Tennant as well. In fact, I was a solid "Tom Baker is the best Doctor" guy up until Tennant. After Tennant, I had to go with Tennant. Though Baker is was still a great Doctor. Pertwee is probably the 3rd best.
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I'm pretty sure they're trying to quietly forget the "thirteen regeneration limit" thing. Since it was something that a writer came up with a long time ago when no-one expected the show to still be going after all this time.
EDIT: Or rather they want to, but the fandom probably won't let them. To quote RTD:
When they came [to America] to launch The Eleventh Hour, I went along to this screening in LA and journalists put their hands up, and one of the first questions was, "What will happen when he reaches the thirteenth regeneration?" There's a fascinating academic study to be made out of how some facts stick and some don't ? how Jon Pertwee's Doctor could say he was thousands of years old, and no-one listens to that, and yet someone once says he?s only got thirteen lives, and it becomes lore. It's really interesting, I think. That's why I?m quite serious that that 507 thing won't stick, because the 13 is too deeply ingrained in the public consciousness. But how? How did that get there?
But his episodes, on the whole, have been worse than the last two guys. But I never blame the actors for bad scripts and bad show runners because I was around for the old series and know very well how it goes for the show.
Smiths' Doctor is said to have a "spectacular" ending.
I hope he regenerates from a broken heart (in the Cybermen episode he said he could do it whenever he feels like it) (also: I know, this sounds cheesy) - Darillium, the Singing Towers in the background, sending River to her death, it would be lovely.
He doesn't like endings, and he knows this is the end for her, the real River and not some hologram or something, forcing himself to change and move on through regret and depression that he knows, she'll die in the Library.
:')
The send off in The Name of the Doctor was also, a somewhat closure, but my idea would bring a complete end to their arc. The 50th would explain why Rivers' sonic is a mix up of Tennant and Smiths', so I would think that would be a fitting end.
Then again, the whole reason regeneration exists, as a thing within the show, is to allow for actor changes like this - all the way back to Hartnell.
(IMO, Tennant was quite all right, but he suffered sometimes from being RTD's personal plaything and avatar - watching his finale, one gets the strong feeling that "I don't want to go" is being equally voiced by Tennant the actor, whose boyhood dream this role was, and RTD himself. And that's why that finale pushes the melodrama button so much - isn't it sad, don't you love him, whyyyyyyy.)
The showrunners of the new era have done some great things and some deeply, deeply problematic things.
David Tennant was the Doctor that made me fall in love with Doctor Who, so I could never really bring myself to forgive the guy who replaced him. Maybe I'll be able to move on now.
As for the twelve regenerations thing, in a past episode (can't remember which) I'm pretty sure the Time Lords offered the Master a new regeneration cycle. Wouldn't it make sense for them to give that to all Time Lords during the Time War?
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They need a black Doctor, I'd peg Idris Elba to take the helm.
Idris is one a new favorite of mine. I haven't seen him in much, but I've loved him in everything I've seen. I'm not sure he'd be a good Doctor though. He just doesn't have that Doctor feel, IMO.
Personally, I hope they pick someone older for 12. Jenna is quite hot and I think they need an older Doctor this time to quell some of the sexual tension. 10 had sexual tension with Rose. 11 had River, and then the will they/won't they thing with Amy, and now Clara. 12 needs to go back to the crazy grandpa Doctor. But I guess all the possible romantic angst is what keeps the kids coming back each week.
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Maybe not "crazy grandpa", but when we first met River in the Library, she made a comment about how young the Doctor looked. But Matt Smith looks younger than David Tennant, so currently that makes no sense. (I know, it would hardly be the first thing in this show that got ignored later, but still.) So, IMO, they should cast someone who looks older than Tennant for the next Doctor.
And I suppose it's possible that when 13 dies, he discovers, much to his surprise, that he has bonus regenerations, due to the "regeneration energy" not being used by any other Gallifreyans since the time-lock. Of course, he'll never know after that if he has any bonus lives left...
god i hate doctor who so much i dont know how people can sit down and watch that rubbish.
the only thing its got going for it is the fact we are forced to pay for the bbc with money always comming in its not going to be canceled any time soon.
i hope in 2015 the bbc fund gets axed. why should i pay for TRIBBLE i dont want to watch, sky tv ftw
I'm gonna be honest - I hated David Tenant with a passion I had formerly reserved for Peter Davison. Tenant marrying Davison's daughter was the ultimate display of the total narcissism with which he approached the role, and indeed every role he takes on.
He murders Shakespeare, and everything he touches with a ham-handed "Watch-me-I'm-so-awesome" speed reading approach that for me removes any emotion or depth that should come across.
Part of my loathing DOES come from the writing through the Tenant years, with the scripts seemingly played on fast forward - the only relevant dialog was Tenant either apologizing, threatening, or bawling, with each of those actions differing not one whit from the others. Old Who canon was used only as a crutch to propel the story without having to stoop to use expository dialog and to set up another effects shot. While I credit RTD with bringing back a show I love, and the sheer genius to reboot the series with an incredibly strong actor like Eccleston, after the first series it was up there with The Watchmen film in terms of self-indulgent directorial drivel.
The first two Matt Smith series did suffer from a few of the issus, especially trying to cram in too many effects shots with little real dialog, but there were several exceptions that made it much more watchable.
Matt Smith DID reboot the role - in a way more in line with the "proper" Doctors, I.e. Troughton, Pertwee, Baker, and McCoy (Hartnell is also a "proper" doctor, however since the Doctor character was not completely conceptualized until the end of his reign, his portrayal has some notable discrepancies from the Doctor's eventual form).
The second half of the latest series finally corrected the lazy writing and sloppy construction of NuWho and allowed Smith more freedom to actually do something Tenant never does - ACT.
I am incredibly sorry at the thought of Smith leaving the role - I'd almost rather NuWho ends with him in hopes of a better quality reboot farther down the line.
My guess is "hope" keeps people not playing but posting on the forums. For others, its a path of sad realization and closure. Grieving takes time. The worst "haters" here love the game, or did at some point.
god i hate doctor who so much i dont know how people can sit down and watch that rubbish.
the only thing its got going for it is the fact we are forced to pay for the bbc with money always comming in its not going to be canceled any time soon.
i hope in 2015 the bbc fund gets axed. why should i pay for TRIBBLE i dont want to watch, sky tv ftw
Personally, I know it's long odds, but Doogie Howser would be awesome for the role.
My personal pick for the Doctor would be Mathew Baynton of Horrible Histories. He's kind of a Time Traveller already so it wouldn't be a too different a role.
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Honestly, of all the new Doctors, I liked him the least; so for me, it may be an improvement depending on who they hire next (assuming the BBC continues the show at this point.)
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I liked him, but he definitely wasn't my favorite. I just felt like he was a very good fit for the new tone of the show after Tennant (whom I still miss) left. I really thought Smith would have a very long tenure. I was surprised to see him leave.
I am excited to meet the next one, though. I guess that says quite a bit about Smith. With Tennant, I was dreading the transition, but now I'm curious about it.
That's not to say I disliked him in the role. It just felt more like a reboot of Who than a continuation. I can't explain how or why, but that's how his tenure felt to me. And I didn't think Doctor Who needed a reboot then. It was far from stale.
Agreed about Tennant (For me, he was right up there with Tom Baker and he was the first Doctor post Baker that I really liked and was sorry to see go - although it was an offer he couldn't pass up.)
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However, given what was revealed at the end of the last season, doesn't that mean the Doctor's out of regenerations? Or am I miscounting?
Probably true. That would give him another 10 lives, if the onscreen count of River's used lives is accurate. (I've not seen anything after the 2nd to the last episode with "the Ponds", so for all I know a timey-wimey event might have showed another regeneration in her past. I'll be catching up soon.)
I seem to recall someone saying there was some other event in the new series that might have triggered either a high number of bonus regenerations, or an infinite number. I don't remember what that nebulous moment was, though.
"You're in the biggest library in the universe. I'm the Doctor. Look me up."
or
"I'm not ready."
Smith has been getting better during his run, but still can't pull those sorts of things off. The scripts of course haven't been helping him and I'd rather have a new writer than a new Doctor, but maybe an adjustment will help a series thats gotten a little stagnant.
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I liked Tennant as well. In fact, I was a solid "Tom Baker is the best Doctor" guy up until Tennant. After Tennant, I had to go with Tennant. Though Baker is was still a great Doctor. Pertwee is probably the 3rd best.
EDIT: Or rather they want to, but the fandom probably won't let them. To quote RTD:
But his episodes, on the whole, have been worse than the last two guys. But I never blame the actors for bad scripts and bad show runners because I was around for the old series and know very well how it goes for the show.
He is back, along with Rose too, only for the 50th anniversary episode though as far as we know
I hope he regenerates from a broken heart (in the Cybermen episode he said he could do it whenever he feels like it) (also: I know, this sounds cheesy) - Darillium, the Singing Towers in the background, sending River to her death, it would be lovely.
He doesn't like endings, and he knows this is the end for her, the real River and not some hologram or something, forcing himself to change and move on through regret and depression that he knows, she'll die in the Library.
:')
The send off in The Name of the Doctor was also, a somewhat closure, but my idea would bring a complete end to their arc. The 50th would explain why Rivers' sonic is a mix up of Tennant and Smiths', so I would think that would be a fitting end.
But that's just my opinion.
I definitely do not want a new writer Moffat's shows are always some of the best ever.
I hope they continue the show many a kid will be disappointed if they don't.
I've thought for a while that I'd really like to see Colin Salmon in the role to play the first black Doctor.
At some point they're really going to need to answer the "ginger" joke though.
Then again, the whole reason regeneration exists, as a thing within the show, is to allow for actor changes like this - all the way back to Hartnell.
(IMO, Tennant was quite all right, but he suffered sometimes from being RTD's personal plaything and avatar - watching his finale, one gets the strong feeling that "I don't want to go" is being equally voiced by Tennant the actor, whose boyhood dream this role was, and RTD himself. And that's why that finale pushes the melodrama button so much - isn't it sad, don't you love him, whyyyyyyy.)
The showrunners of the new era have done some great things and some deeply, deeply problematic things.
As for the twelve regenerations thing, in a past episode (can't remember which) I'm pretty sure the Time Lords offered the Master a new regeneration cycle. Wouldn't it make sense for them to give that to all Time Lords during the Time War?
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Idris is one a new favorite of mine. I haven't seen him in much, but I've loved him in everything I've seen. I'm not sure he'd be a good Doctor though. He just doesn't have that Doctor feel, IMO.
No they dont.
And I suppose it's possible that when 13 dies, he discovers, much to his surprise, that he has bonus regenerations, due to the "regeneration energy" not being used by any other Gallifreyans since the time-lock. Of course, he'll never know after that if he has any bonus lives left...
the only thing its got going for it is the fact we are forced to pay for the bbc with money always comming in its not going to be canceled any time soon.
i hope in 2015 the bbc fund gets axed. why should i pay for TRIBBLE i dont want to watch, sky tv ftw
Personally, I know it's long odds, but Doogie Howser would be awesome for the role.
How about a female Doctor ? Is that possible outside of a parody ? Or is gender a fixed thing with Time Lords ?
He murders Shakespeare, and everything he touches with a ham-handed "Watch-me-I'm-so-awesome" speed reading approach that for me removes any emotion or depth that should come across.
Part of my loathing DOES come from the writing through the Tenant years, with the scripts seemingly played on fast forward - the only relevant dialog was Tenant either apologizing, threatening, or bawling, with each of those actions differing not one whit from the others. Old Who canon was used only as a crutch to propel the story without having to stoop to use expository dialog and to set up another effects shot. While I credit RTD with bringing back a show I love, and the sheer genius to reboot the series with an incredibly strong actor like Eccleston, after the first series it was up there with The Watchmen film in terms of self-indulgent directorial drivel.
The first two Matt Smith series did suffer from a few of the issus, especially trying to cram in too many effects shots with little real dialog, but there were several exceptions that made it much more watchable.
Matt Smith DID reboot the role - in a way more in line with the "proper" Doctors, I.e. Troughton, Pertwee, Baker, and McCoy (Hartnell is also a "proper" doctor, however since the Doctor character was not completely conceptualized until the end of his reign, his portrayal has some notable discrepancies from the Doctor's eventual form).
The second half of the latest series finally corrected the lazy writing and sloppy construction of NuWho and allowed Smith more freedom to actually do something Tenant never does - ACT.
I am incredibly sorry at the thought of Smith leaving the role - I'd almost rather NuWho ends with him in hopes of a better quality reboot farther down the line.
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My personal pick for the Doctor would be Mathew Baynton of Horrible Histories. He's kind of a Time Traveller already so it wouldn't be a too different a role.
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