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firetrekkiefiretrekkie Member Posts: 43 Arc User
edited May 2013 in Romulan Discussion
OK I'm sure this has been discussed before but I'm not gonna read thru a ton of pages trying to find it. so I am posting one of my own. I think that the selection for your ships while playing as a romulan should be based on which side you go on either fed or kilng. I am a tac and with and prob most fed tacs at least the escorts are the best their power and mobility even though they have a low Base hull they make up for it with power. seems how I am now a LVL 31 (rom commander similar to the Captain rank of Starfleet) I would have like to requisition (correct spelling btw unlike in the game it is spelled requision) a tactical escort with a base turn of 17 not some bulky D'Deridex Warbird Battle Cruiser with a BASE TURN RATE OF 5 YES 5 that's even worse then the Exploration cruiser which has a base turn rate of 6. Ya I know there are consoles out there that will increase turn rates but they usually go for ridiculous amounts of Energy Credits which is the most common monetary use in the game but a pain to get cause u have to know who to sell to and then go to that person either at esd ds9 ect... but they are way over priced on the Exchange. I think that there should also be a cap on the exchange to where could only sell items that are at least 1 credit higher then that of one of the people you have to go to for mentioned. Come on Cryptic what is the point of going federation or Klingon if you have to save up about 80k if dilithium ore BUT CAN ONLY REFINE 8k of that a day (which BTW again 80K is what the tactical escort costs BUT THAT IS REFINED NOT ORE!!!!!. cryptic you may have just as well left the romulans to their own side not fed or Klingon just plain rom cause what is the point if you cant use the allies ships (oh and the only actual fed ship u get to use with out all the hassle of the dilithium is the Support cruiser you know the one you get for helping the Enterprise C.) or purchasing one with Zen of which I have the multi-vector which I will be able to use at lvl 50 THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE AND SOON :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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    velktravelktra Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    No one says you have to upgrade to the next level of ships. When I saw that the D'deridex turns like a brick, I just decided to not get it. You can still run the missions with the Mogai; it's not like the ship is magically not good enough because you hit level 30.

    Besides, at level 40 you can get the Ha'feh assault warbird. You're only a few hours of play time away from that. ;)
    Demons run when a good man goes to war.
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    tpalelenatpalelena Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Capslock much? :rolleyes:

    Get an RCS console or keep the Mogai. Its more than powerful enough until you get the Ha'feh escort.
    Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
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    raneorikotraneorikot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I may be wrong but your ships are based on which side you choose, i can get excorts etc on my tactical romulan, along with the romulan ships. Did you make sure there checked when looking through ship selections?
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    jermbotjermbot Member Posts: 801 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Use an ally ship at Tier-4, switch back to Warbirds at Tier-5.

    Edit; nevermind, just found your big complaint is that you don't want to/can't afford the dilithium grind necessary to obtain the Tactical Escort.

    5 bucks gets you 500 Zen, current exchange rate turns 500 zen into around 65000 dilithium. There, now you only need to grind 15000 dilithium to save yourself the trouble of flying a D'Deridex.

    Or, bite the bullet, fly a D'Deridex and use your battle cloak every time you want to turn. Or fly a Mogai for 10 more levels. It's only for 10 levels.
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    velktravelktra Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    raneorikot wrote: »
    I may be wrong but your ships are based on which side you choose, i can get excorts etc on my tactical romulan, along with the romulan ships. Did you make sure there checked when looking through ship selections?

    You can choose an allied ship, but it's not free. You have to pay dilithium for it; the ship token won't work.

    It's still really a non-issue considering that the Mogai is actually a pretty decent ship and still performs well after level 30.
    Demons run when a good man goes to war.
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    mirai222mirai222 Member Posts: 337 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    To be fair, the Feds and KDF both have a choice of a few free ships at that level. The Romulans don't have a choice of free ships. It's D'deridex or bust.

    Personally, I don't mind getting the D'deridex, since it's such an iconic ship. I think it's good training in ship variety. Once you hit level 40, you can trash it and never fly one again. My Romulan engineer will be picking up the retrofit version at 50, though.
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    firetrekkiefiretrekkie Member Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    obviously you guys are not seeing the bigger picture here the main reason is WHY SHOULD YOU PAY FOR USE OF AN ALLY SHIP AND NOT BE ABLE TO USE A SHIP TOKEN ON ONE!!! I KNOW YOU COULD JUST NOT GET IT OR JUST GET THE CONSOLES THAT MAKE THE TURN RADIUS BETTER BUT THATS NOT REALLY THE MAIN POINT!!! AND I KNOW YOU CAN GET ZEN FOR $5 AND TURN IT INTO DILITHIUM THE ONLY ONE PROBLEM I CANNOT GET IT LIKE IT GROWS ON TREES I HAVE BILLS I HAVE A HOUSE THAT I OWN UNLINKE SOME PEOLPLE THAT PLAY THIS AND THEIR IDEA OF A PENT HOUSE SWEET IS THEIR PARENTS BASEMENT!!! SO THEY CAN SPARE THE $5.00
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    crusty8maccrusty8mac Member Posts: 1,381 Arc User
    edited May 2013
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    velktravelktra Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    obviously you guys are not seeing the bigger picture here the main reason is WHY SHOULD YOU PAY FOR USE OF AN ALLY SHIP AND NOT BE ABLE TO USE A SHIP TOKEN ON ONE!!! I KNOW YOU COULD JUST NOT GET IT OR JUST GET THE CONSOLES THAT MAKE THE TURN RADIUS BETTER BUT THATS NOT REALLY THE MAIN POINT!!! AND I KNOW YOU CAN GET ZEN FOR $5 AND TURN IT INTO DILITHIUM THE ONLY ONE PROBLEM I CANNOT GET IT LIKE IT GROWS ON TREES I HAVE BILLS I HAVE A HOUSE THAT I OWN UNLINKE SOME PEOLPLE THAT PLAY THIS AND THEIR IDEA OF A PENT HOUSE SWEET IS THEIR PARENTS BASEMENT!!! SO THEY CAN SPARE THE $5.00

    Easy. You pay because you are not, in fact, a member of that faction. Screaming at us isn't going to change that. ;)

    Use the D'deridex for a few levels or stick with the Mogai. It's really not as big of a deal as you're making it.
    Demons run when a good man goes to war.
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    palad1n72palad1n72 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    It seems as though the OP expects everything from this expansion. Spending a few dollars to help support this game that you seem to enjoy, is worth it, wouldn't you agree?

    If not, maybe this game is not the right fit for you. I see a lot of F2P players here who yell and scream, expecting / demanding they get everything for free. If the company did that, we would not have this game to play now would we?

    Take a time out, go watch a movie, get outdoors, do something to let yourself "calm down" and realize this is just a video game. Getting bent out of shape over something so trivial really isn't good for your mental health.
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    firetrekkiefiretrekkie Member Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    yes I know that I don't expect everything for free and what not and that the game needs support. heck I am a monthly subscriber in that I can manage to scrape at least that much together for the cost of it. I LOVE STAR TREK I love the fact that you are able to MMO as a char with other people. the matter is that it is an opinion of this user and a suggestion that can be for future releases. and BTW im not the only one that have a gripe about all of this I have found other forums that complain about the warbirds.
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    amebix1amebix1 Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    They should have put big sign up brfore expansion was released stating that the only career for rom warbirds is engineering,but obviously that would have effected sales of the pack.
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    sjokruhlicasjokruhlica Member Posts: 434 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Server problems aside, Cryptic did an outstanding job with LoR. If this is the worst complaint you have, you're simply looking for something to complain about. It's not like it's an end game ship anyway.
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    thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,540 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Just started dabbling in LoR. First class piece of work. Despite the predictable launch problems which mostly seem to be resolved now. I have looked at the Rihannsu vessels in the Ship Store and the CStore. They seem to be just fine as far as I can see. Rumor has it the D'Deridex turns like a brick. Rumor also has it the Mogai is a pretty good ship regardless of what level you're at. Guess I'll find out soon enough.

    To me, any ship is a reflection of its Captain. If he/she isn't very good at the game all the hardware and Zen in the world will not be able to compensate for this.
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    wolf3130wolf3130 Member Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    velktra wrote: »
    No one says you have to upgrade to the next level of ships. When I saw that the D'deridex turns like a brick, I just decided to not get it. You can still run the missions with the Mogai; it's not like the ship is magically not good enough because you hit level 30.

    Besides, at level 40 you can get the Ha'feh assault warbird. You're only a few hours of play time away from that. ;)


    the D'deridex isn't a bad ship if you know how to use it yes it has a slow turn rate but it's not ment to be a cannon torp ship fit it with beam weapons and use broadsides for max effectivnes works realy well in fact i use the same tactic on all crusers
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    thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,540 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Seems like the D'Deridex ought to be played like a submarine attacking a convoy. Cloak and maneuver into position to deliver an Alpha Strike. Next recloak and clear the datum point. Rinse and repeat. This worked very well in the old SFC III PC game. I am looking forward to trying this out when my Rihannsu toon gets one.
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    marshalericdavidmarshalericdavid Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    They want you to buy Romulan C-Store ships or C-Store ships from your ally choice if you want more of a variety of ships to use at lower levels. This entire expansion as they call it has been about making money more money then ever before. They are getting more greedy as time passes.

    Traits in lock boxes that is all the proof you need they are getting more greedy. Traits should not be in lock boxes.

    I understand wanting to make money but they crossed the line for being reasonable thanks to adding traits to lock boxes. What other unreasonable things will be added to lock boxes in the future?
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    velktravelktra Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    wolf3130 wrote: »
    the D'deridex isn't a bad ship if you know how to use it yes it has a slow turn rate but it's not ment to be a cannon torp ship fit it with beam weapons and use broadsides for max effectivnes works realy well in fact i use the same tactic on all crusers

    It's a fantastic ship if you like cruisers. I don't like them though, so I choose not to fly them. If I had the dilithium, I might have bought a Federation escort just for the levels between 30 and 40. :cool:
    Demons run when a good man goes to war.
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    akito38akito38 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I think the problem is the first 3 Romulan ships really run more like escorts and its a but of shock to go to the slow cruiser of the DD. Just stick with the mogai or shove a bunch of beam arrays on the DD. Anyone running mogai who has not yet hit commander may want to save beam arrays for when they get their DD (if you plan to use it)
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    sjokruhlicasjokruhlica Member Posts: 434 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I just skipped the D'deribrick and ran the mogai until I hit 40.
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    davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    mirai222 wrote: »
    To be fair, the Feds and KDF both have a choice of a few free ships at that level. The Romulans don't have a choice of free ships. It's D'deridex or bust.

    Personally, I don't mind getting the D'deridex, since it's such an iconic ship. I think it's good training in ship variety. Once you hit level 40, you can trash it and never fly one again. My Romulan engineer will be picking up the retrofit version at 50, though.

    My thoughts exactly!
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    spectrfangspectrfang Member Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The DD is a great ship, and if I was an Eng I probably would have used it. As a Tac officer sticking with the Mogai seems to be the best course of action, for me at any rate. I will say the DD is a great tank. I 'd take the DD over a fed cruiser, lvl to lvl, any day.
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    panicswitchedpanicswitched Member Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The DD was not a bad ship, it's just radically different and a very much extreme version of a battlecruiser. That being said with my load out, the New Rommie planetary defense mission while difficult was actually doable without any craziness.

    The RCS was pretty much mandatory as was using Battle Cloak to maneuver. The damage on the Valdore / Mogai is a major improvement over the DD but in terms of sheer staying power, the DD wins.
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    macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited May 2013
    The big D sucks for DPS / movement but it tanks like a rhino if properly configured. Play to its strength and maybe add an RCS console. The other options are either 1) grid dilithium for allied ship or 2) part with some cash. Seems fair to me.

    Personally, I like flying the big D because it is so iconic ... especially for a TNG / DS9 fan. I liked flying the Galaxy also even though it sucked even more. It is also only 10 levels. Hang in there, the level 40 ships are awesome ... at least on paper.
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    akikisaragiakikisaragi Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Using the D'deridex is the manly thing to do :P.
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    warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    velktra wrote: »
    No one says you have to upgrade to the next level of ships. When I saw that the D'deridex turns like a brick, I just decided to not get it. You can still run the missions with the Mogai; it's not like the ship is magically not good enough because you hit level 30.

    Besides, at level 40 you can get the Ha'feh assault warbird. You're only a few hours of play time away from that. ;)

    I took my Commander level D'Deridex all the way to Lv 50 :cool:
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    cliftona91cliftona91 Member Posts: 254
    edited May 2013
    The Leveling in STO is quick and easy, you won't be forced into a the DD for long.

    Or as many are saying, continuing using your Mogai. It's a solid ship.
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    costello5672costello5672 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    When I got to the D'derithau (sp?) variant of the classic DD I said:

    "Aha! It's a Battlecruiser! I shall use it as such!"

    Then I loaded it with beam arrays and made sure Veril had Vent Warp Plasma and it was on, Jack!

    I think it's a great ship, but I will MOST ASSUREDLY be switching to a more escort-like warbird at 40 on my Tactical Captain.

    Seriously, all it takes is a little adjustment to your play style. Screaming and ranting in ALL CAPS with huge run-on sentences and no punctuation isn't going to help.

    At all.

    Or be easy for me to read and follow.
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    diabolicaltroopdiabolicaltroop Member Posts: 74 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I have a Ha'feh assault warbird, fantastic turn rate carries same weapons load out as the D'deridex, has bridge tac officer slot of Commander and Lt. Commander so it will use a great mix of Cannons, Torpedoes and beam weapons.

    I have upgraded its weapons to Antiproton Beam arrays, Cannons Heavy and light, Quantum Torpedoes and a Tri-cobalt Torpedo with a Quantum Torpedo and a Beam Array on the rear.

    If you cannot do damage in the Ha'feh with this mix then it is your piloting skills that lack. I will further upgrade to fleet engines and weapons when I have enough points on this Rommie toon and Dilithium to purchase them. :D
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    symetreus69symetreus69 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    IMO an ALTERNATIVE to the D'D should be offered in the form of a Romulan Science Vessel. Slightly less powerful than an escort bu still has a pretty decent turn rate. Throw in a Z-Store +1 version with a console + a T5 retrofit with another console for a 2-set bonus (and make it available for vet tokens) and you kill 2 birds with 1 stone. The people who don't like the D'D get a more maneuverable ship and RRF gets a proper science vessels with +1 consoles (Ha'Nom is annoying).
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