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cidstorm
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So at tier 5 we can only fly the 200 year old BOP instead of the 100 year old one? There is no justice in this.
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Now yes, the version were getting is similar to the one in enterprise, but it's not the same ship, it's a 2409 version of it according to the game adn cryptic.
*side note* thanks for not making the first topic in this be complaining about the D'Dex turn rate. ;-)
I had heard a rumor that the TOS skin will not be available for this bird at T5 ... Can someone confirm?
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the T'Liss and the T'Varo are two seperate ships.
The T'liss is like the TOS connie for feds, it's only availible as a starting ship and no where else. The T'Varo is the T1 and T5 version and only has the one costume available.
As i said, this is because of CBS's rule of no TOS ships at T5.
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Except that the T'Varo is both a T1 and T5 ship. It is implied that the skins are interchangeable at T1. If this is true, I would reluctantly agree that the TOS bird of prey skin should be optional for the T5 T'Varo.
On a side note, who was the fool that choose the name for the 23rd century TOS bird of prey? The T'liss has been listed in novels as the drone ships seen in Enterprise. In a number of sources, the name of the TOS bird of prey is Vas Hatham. I propose that Cryptic/Perfect World correct this oversight and immediately change the BOP class to Vas Hatham, and add the drone ship as a shuttle named T'liss-class. The NPC Romulan shuttle/fighter was named T'liss even though the graphic was for the scorpion fighter. As far as I am aware, it still is.
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Vas_Hatham_class
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/T%27Liss_class
According to cryptic, the T'liss is getting the same treatment as the connie. Supposedly per CBS.
They say no TOS Connie at T5 not "No TOS ships"
That I can fully support. Do it for all Romulan ships!
I like this idea even more!
Though, some of the 'birds wouldnt work with the decal. The Multi-vector cruisers come to mind.
It wasn't CBS that said no. It was Paramount. This was part of the deal Cryptic struck with Paramount to get the Narada style skins and the Shrapnel Torpedoes into the game from the JJ-verse films.
Have to admit I got a giggle out of that and if I had the money for additional character slots in a few months I just might do that also.
They have more at stake in STO than does CBS. It's their story, with Hobus and all that. Most of the Romulan look right now comes directly from stuff seen in Nero's crew. So Paramount and the Abrams-verse have a stake in all this. CBS just kicks back and rakes in the cash from the licensing.
I'm not convinced you're being honest with yourself here. The Tal'Shiar ships are obviously much more like the Narada in terms of "borgified" than, say, the USS Voyager was when it had Borg additions added to it.
The inspiration and look are clearly from Star Trek 2009. Definitely something Paramount is all about keeping a high profile with, to continue to cross market and hyper promote.
This is all Paramount's involvement. You can totally tell. There wasn't a single peep out of CBS on the T'Liss as a T5 ship. Not an official comment, or tweet. Nothing.
The silence clearly indicates Paramount took the lead on this one.
CBS rarely makes official comments about sto and if they do it's usually with cryptic and no one else. Well except their investors of course.. Until I hear from a dev or dan stal or brendon that the new lock box ships were made with a deal with paramount. I won't believe your theory, unless of course you have some hidden sources within cryptic or paramount that say other wise.
Yes they are inspired by the narada they aren't the same or close enough that i say paramount would have put a stop to them or have a stake in them.
Indeed.
This was also planned for the ship, even though it was not placed there.
Here is the concept art for it:
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/24/romulans-from-enterprise/
Technically that's the K'tinga. Klingons are renowned to use old ships, refitting them dozens of time way past their service life and continuing to build new hulls based off the same design. We see K'tinga's in Deep SPace Nine and this is probably the reason behind it being allowed to have a T5 fleet ship. While the Conny and Romulan BOP aren't allowed as they weren't seen outside TOS.
When I first saw the Romulan ships decloak in Enterprise:"Minefield" I had two thoughts:
*facepalm* this is such a terrible anachronism.
With this look and style, it would have been perfect in the 24th century as a modernized version of the TOS BoP...they should've spent some bugdet there and then to add this ship.
I pictured these ships with their green hull dashing swifly back and forth...flying inbetween the massive D'deridex class during the Dominion War, blasting away JH fighters.
Very much the same we saw the Defiant and the Klingon Bird Prey do.
How very much this ship is out of place (or rather...time) I could test on a friend who doesn't care for Star Trek.
She can barely tell the difference between a Romulan and a Klingon.
I showed her a couple of pictures: the TOS Bird of Prey, the D'deridex, the Valdore from Nemesis and told her which ship blongs to which era.
And then I showed her a picture of the 22nd century Bird of Prey and asked her where she'd place the ship.
Before or after the TOS model.
And she put it right with the Valdore and D'deridex.
So even people who don't know Star Trek or care for it know this ship is misplaced in the 22nd century.
It's that obvious.
So while I'm not a Cryptic fan (I play KDF, I've had a lot to complain about these last couple of years) I'm with them this time.
This ship is as out of place in the 22nd century as the Warwick was in "Past Imperfect"...oh wait that was messing around with time travel like they did on "Enterprise" during the Temporal Cold War anyway...;)
Keep calm, and continue firing photon torpedoes.
You realize that the T'Varo name and premise that T'Varo is a BOP comes straight from Last Unicorn's Star Trek RPG? STO is technically also non-cannon by definition. As is everything from books to games to toys. Only that which is on screen is considered canon.
To the programmer and Dev's credit, they are trying to remain as horizontally consistent with novels books and games as possible. That is what makes this particular game so compelling, and Star Trek as a whole so attractive. I am simply pointing to a single error that is interfering with internal consistency. Case in point: you ignored my point about the Romulan shuttle/fighter groups already listed as T'liss class.
I seem to remember a refit of a Connie in DS9 with Ablative armor and a massive weapons upgrade that nearly took out the Defiant....
Given that the Lakota was an Excelsior, you really don't.
So going on that basis, the T'Varo is not 200 years old..
I could be wrong though
You're mixing that up with the Defiant that the Tholians retrofitted for the 25th Century from their mirror timeline. It's cool though cause most people missed that part. It was why the Tholians in the Mirror U let the Suliban live.
It's not a bug:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=656801
If you can somehow prove their advertising was misleading open a ticket and talk to them.
Just follot the links in pwebranflakes' signature in the other thread.
I just can't figure out why someone would want such an old and outdated ship at the time when even Sovereigns were made obsolete (by the Odyssey variants).