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dam999
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They are extremely bad..
Consider:
centurion
tribune
pretor
legate
proconsul
Consider:
centurion
tribune
pretor
legate
proconsul
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No, the ranks are not political but purely military.
Centurion - In the Roman infantry, centurions initially commanded a centuria or "century". Centuries, or centuriae, developed from the Roman tribal system under the Servian reforms and could contain 200 to 1000 men.
Tribune - All middle-ranking officers of the legions were also titled tribunes, though they were unelected and junior to the tribuni militum. Messala, the villain in the 1880 novel Ben-Hur by Lew Wallace and its 1959 film, was a military tribune.
Praetor - Praetor (Classical Latin: [ˈprajtoːr]) was a title granted by the government of Ancient Rome to men acting in one of two official capacities: the commander of an army (in the field or, less often, before the army had been mustered); or, an elected magistratus (magistrate),
Legate - A legatus (often anglicised as legate) was a general in the Roman army, equivalent to a modern general officer.
Proconsul - I've put it because consul is already in use, however since Rome had only 2 consules at a time, they also had supreme military rank..
These are not Romans, they are Romulans besides for certain looks and a fascination with birds, the Romulans are not Romans.
Klingons are not Americans either but have a "general"..
I believe that the suggested ranking system would satisfy most of the romulan fan base..
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Romulans use Sub commander and commander, not Roman titles once again these are not Romans, just themed but not copies.
and Romulans have not acted like Romans since TOS the one episode.
Also Cryptic changed the ranks once already, they have the voicework done, they are not going to change it now.
Your proposed rank structure has nothing to do with the canon Romulan ranks in Star Trek.
Here you go.
Joined January 2010.
In regard to hating Star Trek 2009:
It is, but in the Federation all decisions, military and diplomatic (political wise) are made by admirals..even though they are a military rank
Praetors in the Romulan senate had political function whilst in the Roman army were designated with a military function. Sometimes two can't be separated.
Ranks such as Subadmiral I and Subadmiral II followed by Vice-admiral is just dumb..
Sub or Vice marks the same thing..and the usage of the same rank with I and II is even worse..
So?
Klingons didn't have a forehead ridge during the TOS, but looked more like mongols or chinese.
Not to mention the change of Ferengis..
Most of the stuff written beyond series didn't exist within the series, hence sub-admiral I, sub-admiral II and finally vice-admiral..all bad alternatives for the logical system that I've suggested..
You believe wrong.
The suggested ranking goes against established Star Trek canon and should be drowned in acid and burned with fire before being flung into the heart of the sun.
This is Star Trek online, not Age of Empires Online.
STO adheres to the most recently established canon in both of these instances, and even references the explanation for the ridgeless Klingons in a fairly extensive episode series.
The series established Admiral, and the Subadmiral ranks that are used in the games are logically consistent with the canon uses of Subcommander and Sublieutenant. Vice Admiral is more of a stretch, but is still consistent with the use of Admiral as a rank, per canon. The ranks that you've suggested have nothing to do with the Romulan military, and everything to do with the ancient Roman military - the Romulans are loosely inspired by the Romans, not a direct transliteration into space.
Also, violating the canon ranks as you've suggested would, I'm sure, TRIBBLE off a lot more people than it would please. There are a lot more Star Trek canon purists around here than there are Imperial Roman history purists.
Edit: Heck, just to further my point a bit, Praetor and Proconsul (along with Vice-proconsul and Senator) are ranks in the Romulan Senate, not the Romulan military as I linked before. And Legate is/was a Cardassian rank, not Romulan.
Joined January 2010.
In regard to hating Star Trek 2009:
Primus means first, but in roman military there was also a rank "primus pilus". It was basically the head centurion..So there is a close connection between Romulan star empire and the Roman empire.
You could also use a sub-centurion rank such as Decurion (controls 10 men) for example, etc.
Decurion - ensign
Centurion - lieutenant
Tribune - lieutenant commander
Subcommander - commander
Commander - captain
Praetor - rear admiral lower half
Legate - rear admiral upper half
Proconsul - vice admiral
Military positions, as I said before, are very hard to separate from the political ones. Take federation admirals as a perfect example of combined political&military responsibilities. Picard was a captain but mostly politician (first contacts, diplomacy...)and sometimes an arbiter which suggests even judicial responsibilities..There are many similar examples..
Suggested ranking system would just add to the Romulan distinctiveness instead of simply embracing the federation ranking system..
http://wiki.maquis.com/images/7/7a/Romulan_Rank_Update.jpg
I guess people never wondered where did those planets Romulus and Remus got their name from..
Sub and Vice is the same thing and it's pure lack of imagination using subadmiral I and II combined with viceadmiral..
Canon Romulan military flag officers are addressed as ADMIRAL.
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That people should know what they're screaming about!
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Don't like, sorry. The ranks we have in game now are the ones that are very familiar from the shows and films and sound right. All of those titles above sound like very high up positions anyways.
Canon it should be it is!
If you want this change of names so badly you should probably consider bombarding the devs with Emails (3 pages minimum per mail) about this topic, stalk them on twitter and start a STO podcast on which you talk about nothing else but the Romulan ranks.
I've heard you can achieve amazing results by this method these days. The devs will even throw every piece of canon out of the window just to make you shut up.
Bah, what canon are u guys talking about anyway?
Have you even seen the new Star trek these days? Haven't you noticed the "Star wars" atmosphere or has it lost you? o.O
From sounds, weapons, energy trails etc.
What can possibly be considered as a canon these days? The universe as GR imagined it or what Star wars fan directs as a Star trek movie?
Naming two main planets Romulus and Remus clearly referred to brothers who built Rome but fought each other since they had different opinion regarding the site of the new city. Romulus kills Remus, the same way Romulans are dominating Remans. The antagonism is clear, so is the hidden brotherhood that actually binds them.
Giving Romulans proper Roman military ranks is the purest form of tribute to GR. It reflects the strength and discipline of the Romulan star empire.
Actually, Subadmiral and Vice Admiral are not the same things.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
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Sub admiral never existed anywhere but vice admiral = vice roy. It explains something that is beneath something else. Sub general = below general, first to general, vice champion = next to champion but beneath him etc.
Sub admiral I and II is just stupid..
Now that's just rubish..Senate is Senate..
True..to an extent..