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mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
So...I dunno if it is meant to be this way, but...I made a Reman female (had no male option).

I also bought the big legacy pack earlier, so that might have something to do with this. Or not, I dunno.

Regardless of if this is a bug or not, I made a Reman. So far...seems pretty good. I'd say that all in all, these are pretty good. The female skins seem kinda bright for a people with 'grey, mottled skin' though.

Mind Drain is interesting, and seems to basically make Remans the Romulan equal to a Lethean toon. I'm glad that Mind Drain doesn't expose or exploit the enemy, which would make it rather ridiculous because it would do more damage AND heal you.
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  • wilvwilv Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I'm a little disappointed with the playable Reman female's appearance. When I got Veril I thought she looked GREAT but the playable version unfortunately doesn't look like her. Here's a side by side comparison.

    http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww336/Wilv79/STO/197745_10151409320298603_877404212_n_zpsd0b8f5b0.jpg
  • tsurutafan01tsurutafan01 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Could just be a WIP with a head texture or two yet to be added, as the one on the left does seem to have more detail. That stuff can wait until relatively last minute I'd think.


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  • captsolcaptsol Member Posts: 921 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    wilv wrote: »
    I'm a little disappointed with the playable Reman female's appearance. When I got Veril I thought she looked GREAT but the playable version unfortunately doesn't look like her. Here's a side by side comparison.

    http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww336/Wilv79/STO/197745_10151409320298603_877404212_n_zpsd0b8f5b0.jpg

    I have to agree, I'm hoping not all the options are in yet because it seems we technically aren't supposed to be able to do this according to the patch notes. So, I hope that when the full thing is released we'll be able to have a more ashen skin color in addition to more leeway on how we want our face and overall appearance to look.
  • madmansnipes007madmansnipes007 Member Posts: 5
    edited May 2013
    yep Verril looks way better so far
  • abaddon653abaddon653 Member Posts: 1,144 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    They may be planning on throwing in some Veril backstory explaining that her mother was a Romulan or something. Hence the different look compared to playable Remans.
  • wilvwilv Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I'm wondering if Veril is just using an old model. The devblog says there is going to be an appearance change for the male Reman. Maybe they will all look like the female now. After looking at pics of the Reman in the movies the playable female does more closely resemble what we saw on screen.

    http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/Cops2006/Reman.jpg
  • arkhamanarkhaman Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    "Players who can create Romulans may see the option to create Remans.
    This should be avoided, because it will cause the sun to plummet towards the Earth.
    Further, character creation will fail and the player will be booted to the login screen."

    That's from this thread: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=651021

    Bottom of zer0niusrex's first post.

    While some can make Reman's, it's not intentional most likely. I suspect there will be more options in the near future for those of us who wish to make Remans.

    Let us remain patient as well as excited.
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Hmm, seems like it's a bug that I was able to make one.

    Oh well, I've seen no other bugs regarding the Remans so far. So there's some good news at least.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Could just be a WIP with a head texture or two yet to be added, as the one on the left does seem to have more detail. That stuff can wait until relatively last minute I'd think.

    If it was that way they wouldn't put pictures of it in a devblog and on facebook. And yeah, Veril looks more Reman, I've been preaching that since the second day of closed beta, but got barely any reaction.
    abaddon653 wrote: »
    They may be planning on throwing in some Veril backstory explaining that her mother was a Romulan or something. Hence the different look compared to playable Remans.

    Probably not, Veril is dismissable so her story involvement ends the moment she joins you.
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  • wilvwilv Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    If it was that way they wouldn't put pictures of it in a devblog and on facebook. And yeah, Veril looks more Reman, I've been preaching that since the second day of closed beta, but got barely any reaction.

    The thing is Veril really doesn't look more Reman, the playable female does. She may be more attractive than the playable female but after looking over screencaps of Reman from the movies the ones in game aren't accurate. That may be why the male models are getting a revamp.
  • captsolcaptsol Member Posts: 921 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    wilv wrote: »
    The thing is Veril really doesn't look more Reman, the playable female does. She may be more attractive than the playable female but after looking over screencaps of Reman from the movies the ones in game aren't accurate. That may be why the male models are getting a revamp.

    It's possible, but, to be honest I don't see any real reason to lock out any particular kind of look since both appear to be represented in the game and it's what we're used to seeing. I'm sure some players will want the newer Reman designs and some will want the older ones. The game being what it is with customization such a big part I don't see any reason not to offer us both.
  • ladymyajhaladymyajha Member Posts: 1,428 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The more I play, and the more I think of it, I don't think Veril is full Reman. I swear she has some Romulan blood in her.
  • wilvwilv Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    captsol wrote: »
    It's possible, but, to be honest I don't see any real reason to lock out any particular kind of look since both appear to be represented in the game and it's what we're used to seeing. I'm sure some players will want the newer Reman designs and some will want the older ones. The game being what it is with customization such a big part I don't see any reason not to offer us both.

    It's about having a certain level of polish. The team can settle for an innacurate less polished model or go with a more accurate version. Most games that do model changes do it across the board. It's not the first time STO does this, they did it before with Gorn. The difference being if you wanted to keep the old outdated model you could, you would just never be able to customize that character again because once you did the model would update.

    In this case, since Reman are not yet playable I doubt players will be able to keep the old model if they do indeed upgrade as the blog suggests.
  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    wilv wrote: »
    The thing is Veril really doesn't look more Reman, the playable female does. She may be more attractive than the playable female but after looking over screencaps of Reman from the movies the ones in game aren't accurate. That may be why the male models are getting a revamp.

    They didn't say that the male models are getting a revamp. They say that they already did:

    "Out with the old and in with the new! We completely rebuilt our Reman head sculpts for the playable species."

    Unless I slept through school, university and the internet is wrong that's a past form. Wouldn't really make sense to show screenshots of the old version then. And while we can argue about how canon Reman noses are Veril at least gets the skin pattern right (well, aside from the middle of the face, but at least she has it).
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  • wilvwilv Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    They didn't say that the male models are getting a revamp. They say that they already did:

    "Out with the old and in with the new! We completely rebuilt our Reman head sculpts for the playable species."

    Unless I slept through school, university and the internet is wrong that's a past form. Wouldn't really make sense to show screenshots of the old version then. And while we can argue about how canon Reman noses are Veril at least gets the skin pattern right (well, aside from the middle of the face, but at least she has it).


    One thing that's clear is that school, university and the internet taught you sarcasm.

    Did it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe they rebuilt the male Reman model but it's not quite finished yet? Much like some of the new uniforms are made but not quite finished. Perhaps instead of showing a model that isn't quite ready they chose to use an out of date model that is at least presentable.

    Did it occur to you that just maybe they are waiting for launch to do the big reveal of the new Reman model? When they revamped the Gorn they were very secretive about what the final product would look like. All we ever really got were blurry images and teasers until the release.

    As for the the skin pattern it's kind of hard for them to show us ALL the female skin pattern options of a new species in a screenshot with just ONE character. Having seen the unintended released Reman female on the character creator I saw that they do indeed have several pattern options available.
  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    wilv wrote: »
    One thing that's clear is that school, university and the internet taught you sarcasm.

    Nope, that was just life.
    wilv wrote: »
    Did it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe they rebuilt the male Reman model but it's not quite finished yet? Much like some of the new uniforms are made but not quite finished. Perhaps instead of showing a model that isn't quite ready they chose to use an out of date model that is at least presentable.

    Did it occur to you that just maybe they are waiting for launch to do the big reveal of the new Reman model? When they revamped the Gorn they were very secretive about what the final product would look like. All we ever really got were blurry images and teasers until the release.

    Did it ever occur to you that they didn't make a devblog claiming they changed the Gorn appearance with pictures before they actually did it? Did it ever occur to you that they could have simply meant that they made the Reman ready for being customized by players? (Since they almost all looked the same aside from Slamek and Obisek before just like the Jem'hadar).
    wilv wrote: »
    As for the the skin pattern it's kind of hard for them to show us ALL the female skin pattern options of a new species in a screenshot with just ONE character. Having seen the unintended released Reman female on the character creator I saw that they do indeed have several pattern options available.

    Did it ever occur to you that there are female Reman boffs on Tribble that you can customize yourself and that don't have any kind of skin pattern beside the "shadows around the eyes" makeup options?
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  • wilvwilv Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Nope, that was just life.



    Did it ever occur to you that they didn't make a devblog claiming they changed the Gorn appearance with pictures before they actually did it? Did it ever occur to you that they could have simply meant that they made the Reman ready for being customized by players? (Since they almost all looked the same aside from Slamek and Obisek before just like the Jem'hadar).



    Did it ever occur to you that there are female Reman boffs on Tribble that you can customize yourself and that don't have any kind of skin pattern beside the "shadows around the eyes" makeup options?

    We know for a FACT Reman are not finished. The unlock on tribble was unintended and we were warned to not make one because it would cause problems. They are glitchy and bugged and not all the options have been made available yet. Furthermore when Gorn were revamped they didn't have Dev blogs. Devblogs were added after the summer of 2011 The Gorn revamp happened in 2010. Hence why they didn't make a dev blog claiming they changed the Gorn appearance with pictures before they actually did it. They DID however post teaser pictures of the incomplete Gorn on twitter and on the forums from time to time.
  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    wilv wrote: »
    We know for a FACT Reman are not finished. The unlock on tribble was unintended and we were warned to not make one because it would cause problems. They are glitchy and bugged and not all the options have been made available yet. Furthermore when Gorn were revamped they didn't have Dev blogs. Devblogs were added after the summer of 2011 The Gorn revamp happened in 2010. Hence why they didn't make a dev blog claiming they changed the Gorn appearance with pictures before they actually did it. They DID however post teaser pictures of the incomplete Gorn on twitter and on the forums from time to time.

    Yes, they showed us unfinished pictures. They didn't show us pictures of the old ones and said that they had redone the head geometry. And yes, the latest hookup to Tribble was completely unintended and female only, which doesn't mean anything since they are supposed to be unlocked by the rep system or C-Store, it was most certainly not intended that everyone who logs in sees the option.

    But you know what? This is pointless. In 16 days you will see that I'm right. Should I be wrong I'll necro this thread (it won't be 30 days old) just to eat my own words.:D But if they would change the Remans then it will be years down the road.
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  • wilvwilv Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Ok, assuming that Veril is an accurate representation of what playable Remans will be like then it seems we'll have 3 head type options.

    http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww336/Wilv79/STO/197745_10151409320298603_877404212_n_zpsd0b8f5b0-1_zps9beb8afc.jpg
  • voyagerfan9751voyagerfan9751 Member Posts: 1,120 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    wilv wrote: »
    Ok, assuming that Veril is an accurate representation of what playable Remans will be like then it seems we'll have 3 head type options.

    http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww336/Wilv79/STO/197745_10151409320298603_877404212_n_zpsd0b8f5b0-1_zps9beb8afc.jpg

    Still liking version 1 the best.
  • wilvwilv Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I'm just glad we're getting options. I did notice a discrepancy with their eyes though. Veril's eyes are very "human" in their color scheme. There are no options to color them like Reman eyes.

    http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061130012959/memoryalpha/en/images/4/46/Reman_officer.jpg

    http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/Cops2006/Reman.jpg

    http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100529011427/memoryalpha/en/images/9/98/Reman_viceroy.jpg
  • morkargh117morkargh117 Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    wilv wrote: »
    I'm a little disappointed with the playable Reman female's appearance. When I got Veril I thought she looked GREAT but the playable version unfortunately doesn't look like her. Here's a side by side comparison.

    http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww336/Wilv79/STO/197745_10151409320298603_877404212_n_zpsd0b8f5b0.jpg

    Veril looked like a human with a forehead skin and gray eyes....hardly Reman...more like half TRIBBLE. The new Reman females look alien and vampiric which was the original intention of the Reman species to be evil looking.
  • wilvwilv Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Veril looked like a human with a forehead skin and gray eyes....hardly Reman...more like half TRIBBLE. The new Reman females look alien and vampiric which was the original intention of the Reman species to be evil looking.

    Well, thankfully now we'll all get to use the option we like best.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Veril looked like a human with a forehead skin and gray eyes....hardly Reman...more like half TRIBBLE. The new Reman females look alien and vampiric which was the original intention of the Reman species to be evil looking.
    And yet... they look like a different race than Reman males. the nose is especially bad... I liked Veril1's look. Ver2 in Wilv's picture is just BLEAH.... Ver1 is nice, I can see why some dislike it but I don't. Ver3.... awesome.
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  • wilvwilv Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    And yet... they look like a different race than Reman males. the nose is especially bad... I liked Veril1's look. Ver2 in Wilv's picture is just BLEAH.... Ver1 is nice, I can see why some dislike it but I don't. Ver3.... awesome.


    I have a feeling that Reman males will have similar head options to what I've seen on Veril. Of course it remains to be see whether those options will be available to players or whether they're just available for that BOFF.
  • dalolorndalolorn Member Posts: 3,655 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    wilv wrote: »
    Well, thankfully now we'll all get to use the option we like best.

    Not me - because in her current state, Veril doesn't have the customization options required to revert her to the original. It took me about 5 minutes of trying something out to get something that looks 40% accurate. :mad:

    Edit: You see, the V1 picture is from BEFORE the patch. The V2 and V3 pictures are the only ones that have been created AFTER that patch.

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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    dalolorn wrote: »
    Not me - because in her current state, Veril doesn't have the customization options required to revert her to the original. It took me about 5 minutes of trying something out to get something that looks 40% accurate. :mad:

    Edit: You see, the V1 picture is from BEFORE the patch. The V2 and V3 pictures are the only ones that have been created AFTER that patch.
    Not entirely true, when I looked at it yesterday, I saw THREE Reman Head types available. #1 is similar to what Wilv has as #2 in his pic, #2 looks similar to the original Veril model, and #3 is about the same as Wilv's #3.
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  • dalolorndalolorn Member Posts: 3,655 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Not entirely true, when I looked at it yesterday, I saw THREE Reman Head types available. #1 is similar to what Wilv has as #2 in his pic, #2 looks similar to the original Veril model, and #3 is about the same as Wilv's #3.

    I meant the picture itself.

    I know that the HEAD SHAPE in #2 is the same, but none of the other options required to make a replica of V1 are available.

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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    dalolorn wrote: »
    I meant the picture itself.

    I know that the HEAD SHAPE in #2 is the same, but none of the other options required to make a replica of V1 are available.
    which specific options are you thinking of?
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  • wilvwilv Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    dalolorn wrote: »
    Not me - because in her current state, Veril doesn't have the customization options required to revert her to the original. It took me about 5 minutes of trying something out to get something that looks 40% accurate. :mad:

    Edit: You see, the V1 picture is from BEFORE the patch. The V2 and V3 pictures are the only ones that have been created AFTER that patch.

    As already stated the options to recreate the V1 head are very much there. I know because managed to recreate it and saved it.
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