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xlocutusofborgx
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So I had asked a question awile ago reguarding the romulan faction that is incoming in may. Few people commented on it saying that I should really ask in one of the "ask cryptic" moments. But seeing as we are vastly approaching may, I thought it could be possible to get an answer here and now.
So my question to anyone, but more directed to the devs, or even the man himself Dan Stahl..
Q: So the Romulan Republic is currently in the rebuilding stage. Now in may when you make a Romulan you will go through a few missions and in the end having gone through it all, have a choice before you in terms of allying yourself with eather the Federation or the Klingon Empire. Now from what that has be talked about, these romulans are more in terms of a peacefull coexist type group then the RSE Tal'shiar type group.
Now with that said "here comes the question" Why are these Romulans splitting themselves up if they are indeed rebuilding ect with two different factions... in tern, fighting each other due to their selected allies they have choosen?
I just cant bend my mind around this and possibly others out there have the same feelings/thoughts on the matter.
So my question to anyone, but more directed to the devs, or even the man himself Dan Stahl..
Q: So the Romulan Republic is currently in the rebuilding stage. Now in may when you make a Romulan you will go through a few missions and in the end having gone through it all, have a choice before you in terms of allying yourself with eather the Federation or the Klingon Empire. Now from what that has be talked about, these romulans are more in terms of a peacefull coexist type group then the RSE Tal'shiar type group.
Now with that said "here comes the question" Why are these Romulans splitting themselves up if they are indeed rebuilding ect with two different factions... in tern, fighting each other due to their selected allies they have choosen?
I just cant bend my mind around this and possibly others out there have the same feelings/thoughts on the matter.
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And since they only way you can fight each other is PvP you're not really fighting each other, as PvP is outside of the story of STO. It has no impact on the story and is really just a glorified wargame.
See I always thought pvp was some what of the story with STO and what was going on. I dont pvp myself but. It explained why the Federation and Klingon Empire was at war and seem to me the only way to actually see some sort of war going on then a few selected Story missions with you fighting the KDF. So when I started to think about these romulans choosing sides in the end having to fight themselves it was like "put the breaks on here" because these guys are all about "reunification" and being peacefull then the RSE/Tal'Shiar type that some of us love.
And if it does happen again this ties in to my question, these guys are all about peacefull, I could see the whole "training" thing in terms of pvp, but if they in the end fight each other due to their selected sides.. isnt that just blowing up their whole "lets rebuilding be peacefull" story.
There is no logical answer - it makes zero sense that these people would join a war between the Federation and the Klingons and then start killing each other.
That said - it's the only way they could do this half faction and have both Fed/KDF players access to it without creating lots of extra content.
Dan Stahl answered the question in both the last 2 interviews:
' We are not going to split up the player base - period' (at least as far as things are currently planned)
So as warp travel in Star Trek is as 'fast as the plot demands' - Romulans joining a fake war where you are allied more then you are fighting? how that's possible - and then killing each other -- for nothing - is the new 'plot demands' excuse
basically Mr Stahl has said it's they way we decided to do it - so just suspend disbelief and accept it.
And really that's all we can do if we want to continue to play. And since I do - I will have to accept this screwed up plot.
I am so addicted to the game I will even pay money into this screwed up plot - how bad is that!
Yeah thats true, and your right on the nickle with how the leveling process is and interactions with the KDF. Once at end game "to me" its well lets come togeather and fight the borg, tholians, or any other threat.. even we are at war. So to me. Maybe others also, I dont "feel" this war going on and to me there are no signs of this. To be frank they should as the Klingon Empire from movies/story eventually join the federation and coexist with the Federation.. it should all end, and also would make sense with the romulans woven into both factions.
Exactly. If story has these romulans eventually fighting "in the end" at each other. This whole "lets come togeather be peaceful" is kinda blown out of the water, for me anyways.
To me, it seems they do one thing in game, then realise they have to fix it, then in the next season having to go back and fix or update it then again, realising something the following season fixing it and changing it. There story needs to stick and make sense.. dont just do something when its going to lead to innacuracies. Just my view.
Again like someone mentioned, the only ways will be seeing romulans fight one another for now, is through pvp, and it could be considered "training" but once these romulans in story start choosing their allies motives over their own.. this little story of them being peacefull new faction bent on coming back from the ashes will make total no sense to me.
The only time Romulans will be fighting unaligned Romulans (that is, non-Tal'Shiar) will be in PvP, which at endgame is basically just elaborate wargames staged by two sides otherwise engaged in a ceasefire while larger threats loom.
If you're arriving at another conclusion, you're probably overthinking the situation.
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The individual story is left up to the player. Cryptic is never going to let you play a truly evil race in the game. That's just anti-Trek.
The Khitomer Accords were abandoned because the Federation Council condemned the Klingon invasion of Gorn space; after that, it wasn't really "war" as such, just a few skirmishes (if the Empire considered itself at war with the Federation, those Klingon battle groups in orbit around Vulcan in one of the earliest Fed missions would have been carpet-bombing the planet, not issuing threats against a single Miranda-class light cruiser).
Meanwhile, my Vice Admiral is in Gamma Orionis Sector with Battle Group Omega, taking missions from a Klingon general. Doesn't sound much like a "war" to me...
The Romulan faction is not fighting a civil war within a civil war... people are thinking way to much into it.
When the game first launched or before it launched I'm sure that was part of the plan. But in time the devs realized that the Fed vs KDF angle was much less interesting than Fed and KDF vs Borg and Tholians and Undine and Iconians, oh my!
Hence, the ongoing reputation system where both sides inevitably find a reason to cooperate on every major issue.
KDF and Fed are basically Frenemies. They don't like each other, but they've got more in common than they do with any one else, so they end up working together.
Well put. After that comment I guess my outlook on it all is abit different. But in the end I better not be fighting Republic Romulans or my world will come crumbling down around me hahhaha.
Ive played a few PVP maps, but again I always assumed that even though pvp may not be the heart and soul to the game, that it took alittle piece of the game to itself where again we would see the KDF and Fed War at its "climax". I know there is objective maps in pvp, where you have to control certain locations ect. Guess thats how I just viewed it all in terms of war effort ect.
I was talking about countries that export mercenaries not Romulans itself in that situation. All Romulan vs. Romulan conflict will be PvP content besides taking out Tal Shiar.
and if you think about it in those terms, (the taking other players into account) make that whole 2800 thing seems extra silly.
100,000 ships against 2,800 does not result in my captain retreating to Bajor.
"And there we were, 10 against 100....."
"Yeah, we really wiped the floor with those 10 guys."
Do some research on the Korean War to get an idea of how larger political forces can create a situation where countrymen end up having to fight each other.
Now replace the Korean people with green blooded space elves who like to tag fluffy little Epohhs on an irradiated new colony of a planet, and viola, you can now wrap your mind around this story Cryptic is crafting.
It's strange, because the existance of the RR creates an interesting potential choice for Romulan players: More liberty but less stability (under D'Tan) or status quo with more stability (RSE), but then throws that out by not giving a choice.
Cryptic have created a complicated political situation by having the RR face off agaisnt the RSE, then have laughably decided that players would have the choice of making the RR a KDF or FED protectorate, instead of the obvious choice.
That's how I was able to wrap my head around it, yes. As with most analogies, there's holes and flaws and it's very imperfect. But it is at least an example I could come up with where countrymen end up having to fight each other due to two other larger powers being at odds.
You do your missions then get to the mission where you pick FED or KDF...After you pick never really hear from the KDF and FED again except to get their ships from the C store if you choose to or Defend the starbase....play the rest of the Romulan faction missions then play the FE and the next time you hear from the KDF or FED is at 50 when you're fighting the Borg.
I doubt Cryptic is going to acknowledge you're fighting a War with the KDF or FED.
There is no Proxy war since the Romulans answer to the same guy regardless if they choose FED or KDF, and the Republic is not picking sides just one captain.
A real proxy war would have been Romulan Star Empire backed by the Klingon Empire and the Romulan republic backed by the Federation.
Did you miss the part in the interviews where it was stated where we would have to blow up KDF/FED ships in the storyline depending on who we sided with? Fighting the KDF/FED at the behest of their enemies soudns like a proxy war to me.
We are expected to blow up KDF/FED ships at the behest of our alleis within the context of episodes, before the convergance-which does sound an awful lot like a proxy war, plus the whole getting ships from their alleis thing the rommies have going on, which is a classic tactic in soem of the more hands-off proxy wars of history.
Even if Cryptic leaves alone the whole elephant in the room of half the Rommies going one way and the other half the other way in the narrative, we would be left with a proxy war situation, with one of the factions supplying you to fight their enemies.
For the record, I think a RR/RSE faction split would have made a whole lot more sense than this.
You aren't listening are you? There's still only one romulan allying with the fed or KDF and taking part of that war but only one the proxy war thing is where romulans fight romulans for fed/kdf war which isn't what's going to happen the faction isn't split story wise there's just a romulan who's decided to ally with one of the factions.
Cryptic has never acknowledge in the story about other players choices, and I doubt they will start now, the only choice that matters is whatever you do with your character.
As for RR fighting FED & KDF all Cryptic said is there will be that, but nothing about it being about the War..The RR is not taking sides, the RR is helping them deal with Borg and Tholions, and in return they get ships, and help with New Romulus nothing about joining the war which pretty much has been on hold since the Dominion arch...and from tribble as far as I can tell the Cease fire has not ended since all the FE have been moved to synce all factions with each other.
If you decide to take your Rom into PvP then your Captain's journey will involve Roms fighting Roms - but that is not the story. That is simply the direction you decided to take your particular character. Since PvP is already outside of the context of the story - it has no impact on anything going on in the story - any Rom vrs Rom consequence are just as easily overlooked as any KDF vrs KDF or Fed vrs Fed consequences. AKA, there are none.
If you don't agree... Well, too bad, this isn't going to change anyway. He also said that.
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In simplest terms, Roms have alliances because Cryptic doesn't want more then 2 Faction PvP - the Roms need to side with Feds or KDF so that PvP is always Red versus Blue. They don't believe that 3 or 4 sided PvP brings anything to the game - at least not as far as how they perceive the game.
And, of course, that is not going to change now. They have been working on bring Roms into the game since PWE purchased Cryptic. That's nearly 2 years. Roms weren't something they decided to do in Jan and you're getting it in May. It's something they've been building toward since June of 2011.
Oh we did. I don't remember pvp being the main argument though. PvP is a minor part of the game after all.
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