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TL;DR
It is way too powerful.
LONG VERSION
This trait gives the following effects for 4s:
- Perfect Shields (no bleedthrough)
- 50% shield resistance
- Moderate Shield Heal (apparently enhanced by Creative trait - needs confirmation)
I can make such effects permanent with the following heal chain, with a 4s interval between each activation:
- Medical Tricorder
- Vascular Regenerator
- Medical Tricorder
- Triage
It is repeatable without downtime.
Every time one of the skills above is executed, I'll have: Perfect Shields, 50% shield resist and get a shield heal.
Note: I am not even considering Nanite Health Monitor here. Currently, it's broken, and it will give the above effects for the full duration of the buff. But, we can also consider that activating Nanites will trigger the trait. Due to the bug, it is unknown at this time if the charges will also trigger it.
"Perfect Shield" means that melee weapons and skills, and kinetic skills will be completely absorbed by shields. The incoming damage will be reduced by 50%, which is already above the average armor resistance you get due to diminishing returns.
Consider a superbuffed Lunge. It will only damage shields because of no bleedthrough. Its damage will be cut in half. And within the 4 second window of the buff, another shield heal will be incoming. If any of the damage reached health by any chance, it will also be healed within 4s.
If you ask me, this is way better than any Engineer shield tanking combination because it can be made permanent with proper timing. The trait is a mix of the best things Engineer skills have to offer; and on top of that, offers Perfect Shielding, which Engineer skills don't have, outside of DOFFs. *And* it heals armor.
WHY IS THIS AN ISSUE
A single trait should not be more powerful than a class designed to have hardened shields. Engineers can achieve hardened shields with an uptime of 33% with no armor healing. Medical Vanguard allows a science officer to have hardened shields with a 100% uptime PLUS armor healing.
Engineering skills for comparison:
- Reroute Power to Shields: 50% shield resist, small shield regen, 33% uptime
- Shield Recharge: large shield heal, 12s recharge (compared to Medical Vanguard's 4s), 30% shield resist (25% uptime)
- Equipment Diagnostics: 20+% shield resist, small armor resist, 33% uptime
Expose enemy chance not taken into account because both Engineering and Science skills do it anyway.
SUGGESTIONS
I believe that doing ONE of the following changes would make the trait less overpowered:
1) decrease the trait duration to 1~2s, so it can not be made permanent.
2) remove ONE of the shield components of the trait: "shield heal", "shield resistance", or "perfect shielding".
CONCLUSION
You might think this a knee-jerk reaction because my main in fact is an Engineer. But I play all careers in this game and I enjoy them all. I would not like to see one single trait basically nullify one of the other careers' advantages.
It is way too powerful.
LONG VERSION
This trait gives the following effects for 4s:
- Perfect Shields (no bleedthrough)
- 50% shield resistance
- Moderate Shield Heal (apparently enhanced by Creative trait - needs confirmation)
I can make such effects permanent with the following heal chain, with a 4s interval between each activation:
- Medical Tricorder
- Vascular Regenerator
- Medical Tricorder
- Triage
It is repeatable without downtime.
Every time one of the skills above is executed, I'll have: Perfect Shields, 50% shield resist and get a shield heal.
Note: I am not even considering Nanite Health Monitor here. Currently, it's broken, and it will give the above effects for the full duration of the buff. But, we can also consider that activating Nanites will trigger the trait. Due to the bug, it is unknown at this time if the charges will also trigger it.
"Perfect Shield" means that melee weapons and skills, and kinetic skills will be completely absorbed by shields. The incoming damage will be reduced by 50%, which is already above the average armor resistance you get due to diminishing returns.
Consider a superbuffed Lunge. It will only damage shields because of no bleedthrough. Its damage will be cut in half. And within the 4 second window of the buff, another shield heal will be incoming. If any of the damage reached health by any chance, it will also be healed within 4s.
If you ask me, this is way better than any Engineer shield tanking combination because it can be made permanent with proper timing. The trait is a mix of the best things Engineer skills have to offer; and on top of that, offers Perfect Shielding, which Engineer skills don't have, outside of DOFFs. *And* it heals armor.
WHY IS THIS AN ISSUE
A single trait should not be more powerful than a class designed to have hardened shields. Engineers can achieve hardened shields with an uptime of 33% with no armor healing. Medical Vanguard allows a science officer to have hardened shields with a 100% uptime PLUS armor healing.
Engineering skills for comparison:
- Reroute Power to Shields: 50% shield resist, small shield regen, 33% uptime
- Shield Recharge: large shield heal, 12s recharge (compared to Medical Vanguard's 4s), 30% shield resist (25% uptime)
- Equipment Diagnostics: 20+% shield resist, small armor resist, 33% uptime
Expose enemy chance not taken into account because both Engineering and Science skills do it anyway.
SUGGESTIONS
I believe that doing ONE of the following changes would make the trait less overpowered:
1) decrease the trait duration to 1~2s, so it can not be made permanent.
2) remove ONE of the shield components of the trait: "shield heal", "shield resistance", or "perfect shielding".
CONCLUSION
You might think this a knee-jerk reaction because my main in fact is an Engineer. But I play all careers in this game and I enjoy them all. I would not like to see one single trait basically nullify one of the other careers' advantages.
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The stacking shield resist is pretty weak considering how easily shields are knocked down in ground combat, and a small resist and regen for pets is bad for a lot of reasons (most engineer kits don't have pets, and pets are easily resummoned, etc). No one is going to use them just because they get a small resist and regen.
If Engineer pets automatically applied a 7 second vulnerability, on the other hand, or increased my critical chance by 7.5%, or caused my target to take 25% more damage, etc, then maybe we'd be having a conversation about it...
TL;DR: Science ground traits are OP, but so are tactical (maybe moreso). Engineer ground traits, on the other hand, are very "balanced" (AKA weak).
On Tactical traits, Situation Awareness no longer gives a 100% expose on grenades as per latest patch. I had a problem with that trait being OP before, but now it's fine and "balanced" (aka weak). I was hoping Medical Vanguard would get some attention in that department.
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What about an immunity to KB effects? When i'm locked in kb with my sci, my nanites can't be triggered.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
I'd prefer they fixed the entire KB-lock issue once and for all, for everyone.
But while that doesn't happen, you have Sure Footed as an option now (KB immunity while crouched). While it appears to be OP, it's balanced around the fact that crouch already has a disadvantage built in.
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Either that, or make it an additional FLAT armor resist, like 10% stacking up to 2x. Tacs can already oneshot most Eng/Sci on ground, even heavily buffed. I ain't saying to level the playing field, just make it worthwhile for a ground Sci captain to have.
Let's compare how Science fare against the opposite newer traits:
Tactical:
- Situational Awareness: 25% chance to expose on grenades. Science Captains have no reason to worry about exposes at all. Advantage to Science.
- Strike Team Specialist: 40% chance of +2.5% critical on attack. A convoluted process (chance of chance). The likelihood of it happening consistently won't make a difference against solid Science heals.
Engineering:
- Nanomolecular Architect: +10 resistance and +0.8 regen to pets. No tangible difference and pets will be just destroyed as fast as usual.
- Shield Harmonic Resonance: if anything, it will only slightly affect your ability to take down an Engineer. Doesn't make any difference in Science tanking.
Do you really, really want to compare Medical Vanguard to any of the above?
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One thing related to that is a lot of stuff benefits the sci's thats not science all the while you have all these science kits that do not really have much place for a sci to be useing. Most sci's only use medic/borg medic kit or physicist. The other ones their powers just do not come anywhere near as useful. One thing in regards to these passives is possibly re-working them where they are beneficial to other science kits.
That's good to hear, since Science it's as been always a HP tank/healer.
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Getting an OP tac power fixed takes:
...wait
Oh, right, Covert is getting buffed, not fixed, after the entire ground pvp community has been pointing out that it is horribly broken for almost a year, and Lunge is getting buffed after we've been asking for it to be fixed since the melee update broke it.
While skills for all three careers are mixed and matched by the choice of the player, the trait name, Medical Vanguard, implies something for the Doctor to do. Medical specific skills don't buff shields.
I respectfully suggest renaming of this trait to Researcher's Vanguard.
The ones who really need a nerf are the tactical officers. I dont know about you people but im sick and tired of the lunge.
On another note, while using the Elite fleet polyalloy weave armor mk12 [ResAll] [RegSH] [Nanite], the medical Vanguard has a 100% up time, pretty sure its broken.
I really hope it does not get a super nerf, maybe trade shield regen for armor reinforcement, maybe a special 100% up time with nanites.
Also agreed with this being funny, as some tac abilities have been crying for a nerf and yet nothing has been done.