Ok I am loving it that we are getting the Romulans next month, I can't wait along with my oldest son. But anyway, I figure now that we will have the Romulans, who will make a great next playable Factotion in STO. So the Dominion come into play. Why? Here is why IMO:
1. We will get new space to play in. The way over to Dominion space is though the Wormhole by DS9, so isn't it time to use it?
2. Nevermind the fact we have lockbox Dominion ships, there will be NEW and BETTER ships in the Dominion fleet, so While we have a couple gifts now, the really treat will be within the Faction.
3. Founder special unlock, you will get to play a shape shifter, and I am sure the DEVs can find a way to make this work.
4. New alien races to play as, and gear to use.
Ok just think about expansion if nothing else, and what can go with it. I feel adding the Dominion in the next big expansion, will be a win win for all.
What do you guys think? Oh BTW, maybe a Cardassin tie in with the True Way would be the way to go, with a break away faction from the main body of the Dominion. These could be the player faction, maybe?
Honestly I doubt cryptic would do that, but there is the new link from the Dominion FE series if they go that route. No need to create new sector blocks for the gamma quadrant.
The Dominion were never particularly harmed by the Dominion Wars, they lost some easily replaced ships, some easily replaced crews, and the Cardassians and Breen, their two allies in the Alpha Quadrant, abandoned them. In short, the Dominion, a military power that rocked both the Klingon Empire, Federation and Romulan Star Empire back on their heels, is completely intact and just as powerful as it was the first time it tangled with the Alpha Quadrant. Why would they be allying themselves with either the Federation or Klingon Empire? Are they trying to destabilize the region for future conquest? Are they hoping to obtain access to Iconian or Undyne tech while exerting the minimum effort? Okay, I can buy the Dominion being involved for the Dominions reasons.
Here's what I can't buy. Why would the Federation or Klingon Empire ally themselves with the Dominion?
The problem with Dominion is the JHAS. A dominion faction should have access to that iconic ship, but I don't know if they really want to make that ship specifically freely available due to its balancing issues.
Cryptic's next Micro-Faction will probably be the True Way Alliance - the grouping of militant Cardassians and Jem'Hadar alphas, hell-bent on restoring Cardassia's military might to the sector.
The Dominion should be saved for a major Expansion Pack where they open up the Gamma Quadrant for exploration.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I'd rather see the next faction be an independent mosaic culture. Human traders, Ferengi, Cardassian bounty hunters (they have no independent offensive military), Hirogen, Chalnoth, etc.
I personally think the Decipher card game was best when it was Fed, Klingon, Romulan, and the gold non-aligned faction covering everything else.
I'd be all for a Mos Eisley-ish trader planet and letting that cover everything else. Fly military surplus and cargo ships. Hunt artifacts and resources. Undertake assignments for the Dominion, the Cardassians, anyone who has a need and can pay.
I don't want to see 10 factions. That just seems like a recipe for clutter. Just give me an all of the above "for hire" faction.
Cryptic's next Micro-Faction will probably be the True Way Alliance - the grouping of militant Cardassians and Jem'Hadar alphas, hell-bent on restoring Cardassia's military might to the sector.
The Dominion should be saved for a major Expansion Pack where they open up the Gamma Quadrant for exploration.
With the Romulans they went out of their way to make sure the playable faction was distinct from the faction you fought. So, the Detapa Council would best match the current format, with a Japan-esque "Self Defense Force" that is officially not a military and you might even believe it if you ignore all those ships, guns and ranks.
This also takes care of the JHAS problem, it can stay in game as a hard to obtain toy for the most dedicated players and not have its value diluted by balance concerns when every "True Way Cardassian" ends up flying it.
I'd rather see the next faction be an independent mosaic culture. Human traders, Ferengi, Cardassian bounty hunters (they have no independent offensive military), Hirogen, Chalnoth, etc.
I personally think the Decipher card game was best when it was Fed, Klingon, Romulan, and the gold non-aligned faction covering everything else.
I'd be all for a Mos Eisley-ish trader planet and letting that cover everything else. Fly military surplus and cargo ships. Hunt artifacts and resources. Undertake assignments for the Dominion, the Cardassians, anyone who has a need and can pay.
I don't want to see 10 factions. That just seems like a recipe for clutter. Just give me an all of the above "for hire" faction.
I like the idea, better to have one rep system to grind than half a dozen. No doubt a new faction would require a rep system.
And as for the 'Mos Eisley' clone, Nimbus III would be an ideal location. Criminal elements galore in that place.
I'm all for a Dominion faction, I'd love it. But, I want Cardassians first, and I don't want them to be part of the Dominion. Maybe a they could be a c-store/reputation unlock to represent the True Way Cardies, but I definitely want to see Cardassians have their own faction before then. Also, I think they're much more likely to come next since they could be (I'm sure some won't like this part) implemented in the same way the Romulan Republic is being implemented.
Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
I would love to play as a scheming, plotting, untrustworthy, duplicitous, awful little Vorta troll, that always greets you with a smile. And a knife in the back.
Would be a fun character.
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The Dominion were never particularly harmed by the Dominion Wars, they lost some easily replaced ships, some easily replaced crews, and the Cardassians and Breen, their two allies in the Alpha Quadrant, abandoned them. In short, the Dominion, a military power that rocked both the Klingon Empire, Federation and Romulan Star Empire back on their heels, is completely intact and just as powerful as it was the first time it tangled with the Alpha Quadrant. Why would they be allying themselves with either the Federation or Klingon Empire? Are they trying to destabilize the region for future conquest? Are they hoping to obtain access to Iconian or Undyne tech while exerting the minimum effort? Okay, I can buy the Dominion being involved for the Dominions reasons.
Here's what I can't buy. Why would the Federation or Klingon Empire ally themselves with the Dominion?
I quite like the idea but I can't quite work out the progression - you can't go from Jem'Hadar to Vorta to Changling. So the only way I can see it working is if (assuming 8 levels of progression) you stay JH and move from eighth to first, with the story finding innovative ways of killing off someone higher than you at the end of each level, thus giving you a promotion.
The other thing I was thinking is having a ketracel white system where you must return to an NPC Vorta to receive your white within a specific time otherwise your troop start to turn feral, you have to kill them and get new ones. Timer should only work while logged in though.
Finally you should only be able to play as either Vorta or changeling once completing the JH campaign, and they will have their own story lines.
Haven't worked out ships yet or how to involve the cardies.
I would love to play as a scheming, plotting, untrustworthy, duplicitous, awful little Vorta troll, that always greets you with a smile. And a knife in the back.
Would be a fun character.
Why duplicitous? Most Vorta weren't. Sneaky and devious, yes. Not really duplicitous though...
Why would the Federation or Klingon Empire ally themselves with the Dominion?
Because they want something the Dominion has? I addressed that in a Foundry mission once.
More specifically: Why would the High Council send a ship to open trade negotiations with the Dominion?
The answer I gave was a bit convoluted, but it involved the Orions convincing the High Council that their war efforts would benefit from improved economics. But improving the economic situation would require either a lot of work or creative thinking. Thus sending an Envoy to attempt to open trade relations with an old enemy.
The Cardassians in game now have a small military called the Cardassian Defense Force. Which its safe to assume the Cardassians could easily be put in the same situation as the new Romulan Republic faction. They would in a sense be just like them, a mini faction that ends up siding with the KDF or Federation.
Cryptic's next Micro-Faction will probably be the True Way Alliance - the grouping of militant Cardassians and Jem'Hadar alphas, hell-bent on restoring Cardassia's military might to the sector.
The Dominion should be saved for a major Expansion Pack where they open up the Gamma Quadrant for exploration.
I would love having a Cardassian micro-faction in the game. Heck, make it end-game only with a small allotment of ships and 'ally' access to Federation ships (Klingons don't have much to do with the Cardassians).
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1. We will get new space to play in. The way over to Dominion space is though the Wormhole by DS9, so isn't it time to use it?
We don't need no stinking wormhole. The place is lousy with jem hadar ships and dominion lock boxes. How have they been getting here with no wormhole? We'll just get there same way.
The Dominion were never particularly harmed by the Dominion Wars, they lost some easily replaced ships, some easily replaced crews, and the Cardassians and Breen, their two allies in the Alpha Quadrant, abandoned them. In short, the Dominion, a military power that rocked both the Klingon Empire, Federation and Romulan Star Empire back on their heels, is completely intact and just as powerful as it was the first time it tangled with the Alpha Quadrant. Why would they be allying themselves with either the Federation or Klingon Empire? Are they trying to destabilize the region for future conquest? Are they hoping to obtain access to Iconian or Undyne tech while exerting the minimum effort? Okay, I can buy the Dominion being involved for the Dominions reasons.
Here's what I can't buy. Why would the Federation or Klingon Empire ally themselves with the Dominion?
Maybe the founders have had enough of the Iconians trying to prod them into action against the powers of the Alpha/Beta quadrant?
If we had a Dominion faction, what would we really have to look forward to, given the precedent of the Romulan Republic?
Probably something like this:
The Dominion, having fallen into chaos in the aftermath of the Dominion wars, has becoem mroe oppressive than ever. Seeking to avoid the conflicts of the evil founders and Vorta, you are one of the 'survivors'-Jem'hadar who have have set aside their polaron disruptors for a quiet life far from the politics and oppression of the founders on a peaceful backwater farming colony. But you cannot remain neutral forever-soon the founders will come to your planet and attempt to lay their tyranny down upon you. As a freedom fighter you will overthrow their oppressive regime, but you will need assistance from either the Federation or KDF in establishing your vision of a utopian society where all vorta and jemhadar and breen live in simple harmony and peace with one another and the ketracel white is plentiful for all. Diplomacy is Life. Qap'la!
Maybe the founders have had enough of the Iconians trying to prod them into action against the powers of the Alpha/Beta quadrant?
The enemy of my enemy and all that.
The question wasn't how you get the Dominion to agree to limited military liaisons with the KDF and Starfleet. The Founders themselves operate from a bizarre and alien perspective that makes it hard for us to predict or understand their actions so sure, write them as doing whatever the plot requires and explain it as part of some longer game. Or never explain it, just make some enigmatic statements to confuse and titillate.
No, the issue here is that the Dominion is every bit as large and serious a threat as the Borg, so why would the powers of the Alpha Quadrant open themselves up to such a large security risk and make themselves vulnerable to betrayal and attack from the Dominion. Our wars with the Borg, Undyne, Iconians, Tholians and Breen aren't going all that poorly.
The Cardassians in game now have a small military called the Cardassian Defense Force. Which its safe to assume the Cardassians could easily be put in the same situation as the new Romulan Republic faction. They would in a sense be just like them, a mini faction that ends up siding with the KDF or Federation.
I'm going to echo this sentiment as Dan mentioned that they intend to use the Romulans as a template for rolling out any new Fractions(TM).
So look for Cardassians being added in trying to rebuild their homeworld of Cardassia while defending it from the True Way, Dominion and possibly some rogue Bajorans or Maquis. Cardassian players level up and choose to side with Fed or KDF.
The Federation is the civilized faction, focused on science and exploration.
The Klingons are warriors, all about conquest, with a subcurrent amoung its allies of criminal behavior.
The Romulans, rebel/spies, and new beginnings.
Dominion could be focused more on faith good and bad. After all the Dominion is a Theocracy. Very different play experience potiential from the others.
Lets say that the real front in the Iconians plans is that maybe the Iconians and its allies are at war with the
Dominion and things aren't going well for the Dominion.
Odo brokers some limited alliance between Alpha Quadrant powers and the Dominion because honestly the Iconians are the one group aside from the Borg that's scarer then the Dominion.
Odo makes the arguement that the Iconians already have shapeshifters of a sort on thier side, the Undine, so it makes sense to ally with shapeshifters to counter that.
Plus the Founders probably don't like the True Way using thier tech so there's another common enemy.
I'd still have Cardassians as members of the Dominion, Cardassians who were Dominion loyalists who fled with the Dominion rather then face the vengefulness of thier fellow Cardassians.
It would also explain why the federation and Klingons keep finding Dominion ships in perfect condition, gifts from the Dominion in the hopes they'll be used against the Iconians.
If the Iconians mess with the Dominion, then yeah, I could see them becoming co-belligerents with the Feds and KDF. As someone said "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". We know that the Dominion has at least a passing familiarity with the Iconians. One ep of DS9 involved a bunch of Jem'Hadar trying to acquire a functional Gateway device.
The next faction should be the Pakled...at least when they don't get their way they gracefully stand down...unlike the major powers like The Federation, Klingons, and now Romulans.
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Here's what I can't buy. Why would the Federation or Klingon Empire ally themselves with the Dominion?
The Dominion should be saved for a major Expansion Pack where they open up the Gamma Quadrant for exploration.
I personally think the Decipher card game was best when it was Fed, Klingon, Romulan, and the gold non-aligned faction covering everything else.
I'd be all for a Mos Eisley-ish trader planet and letting that cover everything else. Fly military surplus and cargo ships. Hunt artifacts and resources. Undertake assignments for the Dominion, the Cardassians, anyone who has a need and can pay.
I don't want to see 10 factions. That just seems like a recipe for clutter. Just give me an all of the above "for hire" faction.
With the Romulans they went out of their way to make sure the playable faction was distinct from the faction you fought. So, the Detapa Council would best match the current format, with a Japan-esque "Self Defense Force" that is officially not a military and you might even believe it if you ignore all those ships, guns and ranks.
This also takes care of the JHAS problem, it can stay in game as a hard to obtain toy for the most dedicated players and not have its value diluted by balance concerns when every "True Way Cardassian" ends up flying it.
Undine plox
I like the idea, better to have one rep system to grind than half a dozen. No doubt a new faction would require a rep system.
And as for the 'Mos Eisley' clone, Nimbus III would be an ideal location. Criminal elements galore in that place.
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
Would be a fun character.
"We are smart." - Grebnedlog
Member of Alliance Central Command/boq botlhra'ghom
Also this is a major problem for the idea:
The other thing I was thinking is having a ketracel white system where you must return to an NPC Vorta to receive your white within a specific time otherwise your troop start to turn feral, you have to kill them and get new ones. Timer should only work while logged in though.
Finally you should only be able to play as either Vorta or changeling once completing the JH campaign, and they will have their own story lines.
Haven't worked out ships yet or how to involve the cardies.
More specifically: Why would the High Council send a ship to open trade negotiations with the Dominion?
The answer I gave was a bit convoluted, but it involved the Orions convincing the High Council that their war efforts would benefit from improved economics. But improving the economic situation would require either a lot of work or creative thinking. Thus sending an Envoy to attempt to open trade relations with an old enemy.
My character Tsin'xing
I would love having a Cardassian micro-faction in the game. Heck, make it end-game only with a small allotment of ships and 'ally' access to Federation ships (Klingons don't have much to do with the Cardassians).
We don't need no stinking wormhole. The place is lousy with jem hadar ships and dominion lock boxes. How have they been getting here with no wormhole? We'll just get there same way.
Maybe the founders have had enough of the Iconians trying to prod them into action against the powers of the Alpha/Beta quadrant?
The enemy of my enemy and all that.
Probably something like this:
The Dominion, having fallen into chaos in the aftermath of the Dominion wars, has becoem mroe oppressive than ever. Seeking to avoid the conflicts of the evil founders and Vorta, you are one of the 'survivors'-Jem'hadar who have have set aside their polaron disruptors for a quiet life far from the politics and oppression of the founders on a peaceful backwater farming colony. But you cannot remain neutral forever-soon the founders will come to your planet and attempt to lay their tyranny down upon you. As a freedom fighter you will overthrow their oppressive regime, but you will need assistance from either the Federation or KDF in establishing your vision of a utopian society where all vorta and jemhadar and breen live in simple harmony and peace with one another and the ketracel white is plentiful for all. Diplomacy is Life. Qap'la!
I am not enthusiastic about the prospect.
The question wasn't how you get the Dominion to agree to limited military liaisons with the KDF and Starfleet. The Founders themselves operate from a bizarre and alien perspective that makes it hard for us to predict or understand their actions so sure, write them as doing whatever the plot requires and explain it as part of some longer game. Or never explain it, just make some enigmatic statements to confuse and titillate.
No, the issue here is that the Dominion is every bit as large and serious a threat as the Borg, so why would the powers of the Alpha Quadrant open themselves up to such a large security risk and make themselves vulnerable to betrayal and attack from the Dominion. Our wars with the Borg, Undyne, Iconians, Tholians and Breen aren't going all that poorly.
I'm going to echo this sentiment as Dan mentioned that they intend to use the Romulans as a template for rolling out any new Fractions(TM).
So look for Cardassians being added in trying to rebuild their homeworld of Cardassia while defending it from the True Way, Dominion and possibly some rogue Bajorans or Maquis. Cardassian players level up and choose to side with Fed or KDF.
"Fractions - it's the future of STO".
The Federation is the civilized faction, focused on science and exploration.
The Klingons are warriors, all about conquest, with a subcurrent amoung its allies of criminal behavior.
The Romulans, rebel/spies, and new beginnings.
Dominion could be focused more on faith good and bad. After all the Dominion is a Theocracy. Very different play experience potiential from the others.
Lets say that the real front in the Iconians plans is that maybe the Iconians and its allies are at war with the
Dominion and things aren't going well for the Dominion.
Odo brokers some limited alliance between Alpha Quadrant powers and the Dominion because honestly the Iconians are the one group aside from the Borg that's scarer then the Dominion.
Odo makes the arguement that the Iconians already have shapeshifters of a sort on thier side, the Undine, so it makes sense to ally with shapeshifters to counter that.
Plus the Founders probably don't like the True Way using thier tech so there's another common enemy.
I'd still have Cardassians as members of the Dominion, Cardassians who were Dominion loyalists who fled with the Dominion rather then face the vengefulness of thier fellow Cardassians.
My character Tsin'xing