And to those who would say its not a big deal, don't ever say it to my face out here in the real world or you will have a very nasty painfull fight on your hands. You will be missing some flesh when I'm done. I feel strongly 'nuff about it to fight.. a real fight, not a battle with words.
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You need to step away from the forums, from your computer and then step outside into the real world for a nice cool breath of fresh air.
On the topic of why the BortasQ 3pack did not sell well was that ot was ill designed for the KDF at the time.....
Oddly KDF fleet ships sell very well (as I understand it) because they do suit the KDF well amd they cost money per se.....
and at the time of the BortasQ 3pack sold poorly because few where playong the KDF at a time when its population was at its lowest.
I feel a BoP 3pack wpuld do much better innthe current climate.
At the very least a Negvar 3 pack.
They have been building a C-Store Negvar for 3 years now. By the time it comes out it is going to have 3 full years of effort put into it and be sweeeet.
But I still love the look of the Bortasq. I would have changed the way it functions though.
Yup this is what happens when you design a game around moneygrabbing and not game integrity. what a pathetic company.
Integrity do make money but it's a long term investment in how people talk about your game on the internet.
If all you can do is not developping equal content for your two factions then people who played the neglected factions will make very negative posts on your game. They won't invite friends to join them (and such advertisement matters a lot). I have myself refrained to do so because I don't think my friends will enjoy joining me as KDFs. When a lone wolf joins the game he'll be on his own, without any kind of support, he might join a fleet but that's it. But when you have real life friends you know, when you can play with them during the weekend then you're going to stay for some time.
STO only relies on lone wolves not reading negative comments from the KDF guys, and from the FED guys who are upset by bugs.
Having a fair, not pay to win, without power creep issues, game, is very important if you want your game to last for years. Of course if you have critical cash needs after hiring 20 new guys to code the game then you'll likely run into these problems, develop what's profitable without any ethical thought. But on the long run less people will join. And you'll need time to clean the mess your "critical" needs brought.
On the topic of why the BortasQ 3 pack did not sell well was that not was ill designed for the KDF at the time.....
I feel bad for the Bortas as a whole .
Cryptic didn't really want to make it , some Dev's like Cpt.Logan championed it's creation and then the Stat's Team you all know and love gave it some ... stats .
and at the time of the BortasQ 3pack sold poorly because few where playong the KDF at a time when its population was at its lowest.
I feel a BoP 3pack wpuld do much better innthe current climate.
Not to be a downer , but what do you think changed in regards to the "current climate" ?
I'm asking because I for one think a Bop 3 pack would sell (not too badly) regardless of the climate ... -- with the understanding that ppl don't want the Norgh , nor the Heg'ta , but the option for the B'rel like classic look , along side a more modern skin as optional skins .
I bought myself a gauramba. I think the Nausicaan ships are some of the best looking anywhere in the game. I've been looking at the fleet destroyers, spending 1000zen to buy a low-level one and saving 1500 zen on the purchase cost of a fleet version is a net savings of 500zen. So that's not so bad. Or 1500zen for the low level version is a wash but you get the low-level one for any alts so slightly better than buying only the fleet version for one character and since I have three KDFs and might make more I might end up saving a ton of money if more than one wants the same fleet ship.
Beware, you're making a common mistake. ONLY Tier 5 C-Store ship purchases allow for a discount on their relative (if existing) Fleet version.
That specifically means that only 2 ships on the KDF side grant that discount of Fleet ship modules. Those ships are the B'Rel retrofit and the Varanus.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Here's an idea that I've gleaned from reading these forums over the years - the reason that the C-Store KDF ships haven't sold well is because a significant portion of the KDF players ONLY want ships that are useful and viable in competitive PvP and eSTFs.
They don't care about, nor do they want to bother with, any other ships that are perfectly acceptable and viable for use in regular, normal PvE content.
So in other words, according to the mindset of a current majority of posting KDF players, if Cryptic wants to sell ships to the KDF players then every ship that they offer has to be designed and intended for use in competitive PvP and Elite STFs. Otherwise they just won't buy it.
And that there provides the answer to the question - "No KDF Ship Pack?".
Here's an idea that I've gleaned from reading these forums over the years - the reason that the C-Store KDF ships haven't sold well is because a significant portion of the KDF players ONLY want ships that are useful and viable in competitive PvP and eSTFs.
They don't care about, nor do they want to bother with, any other ships that are perfectly acceptable and viable for use in regular, normal PvE content.
So in other words, according to the mindset of a current majority of posting KDF players, if Cryptic wants to sell ships to the KDF players then every ship that they offer has to be designed and intended for use in competitive PvP and Elite STFs. Otherwise they just won't buy it.
And that there provides the answer to the question - "No KDF Ship Pack?".
Why would the KDF players buy a ship for PVE when they have like 2 episodes and 4 repeatable missions? Especially in the earlier days when said episodes and missions did not even exist?
Is the awareness of how little there actually is to do on the red side that bad that people don't even realize there basically is no PVE. There is so little in fact that they removed the first 25 levels from the faction totally.
I feel bad for the Bortas as a whole .
Cryptic didn't really want to make it , some Dev's like Cpt.Logan championed it's creation and then the Stat's Team you all know and love gave it some ... stats .
Not to be a downer , but what do you think changed in regards to the "current climate" ?
I'm asking because I for one think a Bop 3 pack would sell (not too badly) regardless of the climate ... -- with the understanding that ppl don't want the Norgh , nor the Heg'ta , but the option for the B'rel like classic look , along side a more modern skin as optional skins .
I still fly my Bortie and am doing so now.
As to climate, I mean the current resurgence of KDF I have seen may give better sales figures than when we where barely hanging on at the time the Bortie was released.
Even though I have been playing fed about 50% of the time and have enough dil saved to get the Kumari 3 pack I won't be getting it until KDF gets some kind of similar 3 pack to either the Vesta or Kumari.
I think that not only should we boycott the Kumari since most of us probably have Fed alts, but also specifically hunt down this ship as much as possible whenever its seen. I am only looking for this ship in kerrat now, and hitting it with the cheesiest builds possible, like my full drain build Karfi, and fire with no reveal subterfuge B'rel.
At the very least a Negvar 3 pack.
They have been building a C-Store Negvar for 3 years now. By the time it comes out it is going to have 3 full years of effort put into it and be sweeeet.
But I still love the look of the Bortasq. I would have changed the way it functions though.
Why would the KDF players buy a ship for PVE when they have like 2 episodes and 4 repeatable missions? Especially in the earlier days when said episodes and missions did not even exist?
Is the awareness of how little there actually is to do on the red side that bad that people don't even realize there basically is no PVE. There is so little in fact that they removed the first 25 levels from the faction totally.
You're totally ignoring the exploration clusters and the FEs so that you can focus on "KDF-Only" PvE content in order to push forth the meme of "just how little content there is for KDF" to use the C-store ships in.
After leveling 3 LGs, 3 Capts, 1 CDR and 1 LCDR using ONLY PvE content to level them and without min/maxing my builds or gear while still enjoying the content, I think I know what is and isn't available to the KDF. I also purchased all of the Klingon items available in C-Store including ships, skins and bridges and used them while leveling those 8 characters.
My point stands that unless a C-Store ship is offered that can be used in competitive PvP or eSTFs the majority of KDF players don't bother purchasing the offered ships. And then they spread the word and attitude, while denigrating those that do buy and use them, in an effort to prove their own opinion as valid.
But come May, Cryptic is going to give in to the KDF fans by giving the KDF some attention, some ships, and some content.
Unfortunate but making a KDF fatpack doesn't pay out, the Bortasqu' didn't pay itself off last I knew.
I take it you never played Blizzard's stuff?
yes but the fact is that the Bortasqu' was horrible ship pack compared to the Odyssey. Its supposed to be the KDF Flag ship and it dosnt even compare to the Tor'Kaht Battle cruiser. the odyssey's consule pack is better as well. the bortasqu' is Garbage. So maybe if they actually create a good pack then it would sell. i Friend has been trying to get his money back ever since he bought it. they claimed so much that it would be amazing and its TRIBBLE. i survive longer and do more damge in my raptor than he dose in his bortasqu
Congrats Dr. Frankenstein on the awesome necro ...
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It's sad that that Bortasqu is used as a benchmark for the success of KDF ships. This flagship is outperformed in every area by any other T5 ship. Why would most players want to buy it?
Who thought that KDF players, who are used to having nimble, high turn rate cruisers, would want a space whale? Or maybe put a different way: if KDF players are going to fly a space whale, why wouldn't they fly a Voquv?
It's sad that that Bortasqu is used as a benchmark for the success of KDF ships. This flagship is outperformed in every area by any other T5 ship. Why would most players want to buy it?
Who thought that KDF players, who are used to having nimble, high turn rate cruisers, would want a space whale? Or maybe put a different way: if KDF players are going to fly a space whale, why wouldn't they fly a Voquv?
Maybe because the Bortas line of ships look ( and i mean LOOK) very intimidating.
its all about looks these days.
It's sad that that Bortasqu is used as a benchmark for the success of KDF ships. This flagship is outperformed in every area by any other T5 ship. Why would most players want to buy it?
Who thought that KDF players, who are used to having nimble, high turn rate cruisers, would want a space whale? Or maybe put a different way: if KDF players are going to fly a space whale, why wouldn't they fly a Voquv?
Judging from the sheer numbers of other KDF C-Store ships, especially the Guramba, the Fleet Ships like the Fleet Torkhat/Vor'Cha, there's no excuse for Cryptic to slack off on more KDF ships.
Cryptic can't expect to see too much money from other factions, to include the upcoming Romulan faction, if their work and effort into them are half a**ed. They've slacked off on the KDF for 3 years, and now the upcoming Romulans aren't even half the faction that the KDF was from the beginning of STO.
It's sad that that Bortasqu is used as a benchmark for the success of KDF ships. This flagship is outperformed in every area by any other T5 ship. Why would most players want to buy it?
Who thought that KDF players, who are used to having nimble, high turn rate cruisers, would want a space whale? Or maybe put a different way: if KDF players are going to fly a space whale, why wouldn't they fly a Voquv?
Exactly. I was excited about the Bortasqu but after trying it on Tribble I was shocked at how bad it was, the consoles themselves are useless aside from maybe the BoP and the 3 console bonus is rather bad too. I shrugged and went back to holodeck and stuck with my Vo'Quv, at least it's useful.
But I think what really makes the Bortasqu so bad in the eyes of a lot of people is that it's utter junk compared to the Odyssey, which it's supposed to be the equal of. The Odyssey console set is nice and 2 out of 3 of the individual consoles are also good, the Aquarius being the odd one out.
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You need to step away from the forums, from your computer and then step outside into the real world for a nice cool breath of fresh air.
At the very least a Negvar 3 pack.
They have been building a C-Store Negvar for 3 years now. By the time it comes out it is going to have 3 full years of effort put into it and be sweeeet.
But I still love the look of the Bortasq. I would have changed the way it functions though.
Integrity do make money but it's a long term investment in how people talk about your game on the internet.
If all you can do is not developping equal content for your two factions then people who played the neglected factions will make very negative posts on your game. They won't invite friends to join them (and such advertisement matters a lot). I have myself refrained to do so because I don't think my friends will enjoy joining me as KDFs. When a lone wolf joins the game he'll be on his own, without any kind of support, he might join a fleet but that's it. But when you have real life friends you know, when you can play with them during the weekend then you're going to stay for some time.
STO only relies on lone wolves not reading negative comments from the KDF guys, and from the FED guys who are upset by bugs.
Having a fair, not pay to win, without power creep issues, game, is very important if you want your game to last for years. Of course if you have critical cash needs after hiring 20 new guys to code the game then you'll likely run into these problems, develop what's profitable without any ethical thought. But on the long run less people will join. And you'll need time to clean the mess your "critical" needs brought.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
I feel bad for the Bortas as a whole .
Cryptic didn't really want to make it , some Dev's like Cpt.Logan championed it's creation and then the Stat's Team you all know and love gave it some ... stats .
Not to be a downer , but what do you think changed in regards to the "current climate" ?
I'm asking because I for one think a Bop 3 pack would sell (not too badly) regardless of the climate ... -- with the understanding that ppl don't want the Norgh , nor the Heg'ta , but the option for the B'rel like classic look , along side a more modern skin as optional skins .
Beware, you're making a common mistake. ONLY Tier 5 C-Store ship purchases allow for a discount on their relative (if existing) Fleet version.
That specifically means that only 2 ships on the KDF side grant that discount of Fleet ship modules. Those ships are the B'Rel retrofit and the Varanus.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
They don't care about, nor do they want to bother with, any other ships that are perfectly acceptable and viable for use in regular, normal PvE content.
So in other words, according to the mindset of a current majority of posting KDF players, if Cryptic wants to sell ships to the KDF players then every ship that they offer has to be designed and intended for use in competitive PvP and Elite STFs. Otherwise they just won't buy it.
And that there provides the answer to the question - "No KDF Ship Pack?".
Why would the KDF players buy a ship for PVE when they have like 2 episodes and 4 repeatable missions? Especially in the earlier days when said episodes and missions did not even exist?
Is the awareness of how little there actually is to do on the red side that bad that people don't even realize there basically is no PVE. There is so little in fact that they removed the first 25 levels from the faction totally.
I still fly my Bortie and am doing so now.
As to climate, I mean the current resurgence of KDF I have seen may give better sales figures than when we where barely hanging on at the time the Bortie was released.
R.I.P
I think that not only should we boycott the Kumari since most of us probably have Fed alts, but also specifically hunt down this ship as much as possible whenever its seen. I am only looking for this ship in kerrat now, and hitting it with the cheesiest builds possible, like my full drain build Karfi, and fire with no reveal subterfuge B'rel.
Or a Regents class huge Neghvar 3pack.
R.I.P
Wouldn't a Negh'var the size of a Borg cube have a turnrate of about...3?;)
(yeah I know it's supposed "only" 2 kilometers long)
You're totally ignoring the exploration clusters and the FEs so that you can focus on "KDF-Only" PvE content in order to push forth the meme of "just how little content there is for KDF" to use the C-store ships in.
After leveling 3 LGs, 3 Capts, 1 CDR and 1 LCDR using ONLY PvE content to level them and without min/maxing my builds or gear while still enjoying the content, I think I know what is and isn't available to the KDF. I also purchased all of the Klingon items available in C-Store including ships, skins and bridges and used them while leveling those 8 characters.
My point stands that unless a C-Store ship is offered that can be used in competitive PvP or eSTFs the majority of KDF players don't bother purchasing the offered ships. And then they spread the word and attitude, while denigrating those that do buy and use them, in an effort to prove their own opinion as valid.
But come May, Cryptic is going to give in to the KDF fans by giving the KDF some attention, some ships, and some content.
That's doubtful.
Maybe if they didn't make them pieces of junk and inferior they might sell a little better.
yes but the fact is that the Bortasqu' was horrible ship pack compared to the Odyssey. Its supposed to be the KDF Flag ship and it dosnt even compare to the Tor'Kaht Battle cruiser. the odyssey's consule pack is better as well. the bortasqu' is Garbage. So maybe if they actually create a good pack then it would sell. i Friend has been trying to get his money back ever since he bought it. they claimed so much that it would be amazing and its TRIBBLE. i survive longer and do more damge in my raptor than he dose in his bortasqu
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Who thought that KDF players, who are used to having nimble, high turn rate cruisers, would want a space whale? Or maybe put a different way: if KDF players are going to fly a space whale, why wouldn't they fly a Voquv?
Maybe because the Bortas line of ships look ( and i mean LOOK) very intimidating.
its all about looks these days.
Judging from the sheer numbers of other KDF C-Store ships, especially the Guramba, the Fleet Ships like the Fleet Torkhat/Vor'Cha, there's no excuse for Cryptic to slack off on more KDF ships.
Cryptic can't expect to see too much money from other factions, to include the upcoming Romulan faction, if their work and effort into them are half a**ed. They've slacked off on the KDF for 3 years, and now the upcoming Romulans aren't even half the faction that the KDF was from the beginning of STO.
The JHAS looks about as scary as wet noodle, but it's maybe the most in demand ship in the game.
I think we can safely say that while looks might matter for initial sales, it's performance that matters in the long run.
Exactly. I was excited about the Bortasqu but after trying it on Tribble I was shocked at how bad it was, the consoles themselves are useless aside from maybe the BoP and the 3 console bonus is rather bad too. I shrugged and went back to holodeck and stuck with my Vo'Quv, at least it's useful.
But I think what really makes the Bortasqu so bad in the eyes of a lot of people is that it's utter junk compared to the Odyssey, which it's supposed to be the equal of. The Odyssey console set is nice and 2 out of 3 of the individual consoles are also good, the Aquarius being the odd one out.