1. I know for a fact that it's been confirmed that rom lock box ships will be released that can be opened by any faction. Secondly, what would be the appeal of buying a Romuluan lock box ship if it didn't have cloak?
What is the source of this, as you put it, confirmation of fact?
Oh and to all those who are saying that "Teh Numb3rs" are not what matters to the majority of players in this game, I put this to you.
Why is the current most sought after and expensive ship the jem'hadar attack ship? It sure aint for it's looks.
I am honestly trying to think of something, anything, that gives fed/klingon captains the edge,
Why does it have to be about getting an edge over other players? It's a PvE focused game ffs. If anyone played by that logic, why are still many people out there playing Engineers? Why are people still flying cruisers or science ships?
Yet another troll topic with no goal but to seed negativity.
Why does it have to be about getting an edge over other players? It's a PvE focused game ffs. If anyone played by that logic, why are still many people out there playing Engineers? Why are people still flying cruisers or science ships?
Yet another troll topic with no goal but to seed negativity.
Because cruisers and sci ships have a niche in pve they can fill quite well in the right hands? As I have stated, repeatedly, I don't fly competitively (My fed main wouldn't be an engi in an exploration retrofit if I did), but allot of the player base do.
When did it become trolling to present a viewpoint other than the one you personally think is the right one?
My main is a starfleet captain on an exploration mission in the Rolor Nebula charting stars and facilitating trade within the lanes between Beta Ursae and Rolor.
My KDF is a mirror time cop who is assigned to patrol the 25th Century.
My romulan will have his own unique back story.
None of the will be abandoned for favor of what is to meaningless performance incriese in the face of what is necessary in pve, and pvp (pssst teamwork is op)
Q: (walshicus) How will lockbox ships and consoles work for Romulans?
Dstahl: Romulan Republic captains not only have access to their exclusive faction ships, but will also have access to the ships and consoles of their chosen ally. Lock Box ships will remain available to all faction captains.This includes the possibility that we might release a Romulan themed box that may have specific Romulan ships that are available to all factions.
Ok, maybe not officialy confirmed but if Dan says might release a lock box, you can be pretty sure that they probably will. A Romulan lock box ship with cloak available to KDF and Fed players would be a huge seller, and you can bet that they won't pass the opportunity up.
Why have thousands of people been playing the KDF side for 3 years even though they've gotten few C-Store shiny toys and very little content additions?
That's the same reason why not everyone will wish to play a Romulan.
It's still a huge time investment. When reality sets in and people are faced with having to complete three rep trees-omega, rom, and tholian-they'll probably give up shortly after reaching level 50. And I hate to say this, but I'm dreading the possibility of grinding a Rommie star base to tier 5. The Rommie base alone, without even considering rep trees, would be 5-6 months of grinding on average for a small fleet of 15-20 people. GAAH!!!!!
That is the most depressing thing I have heard in quite some time.
But not unusual in this business. Many MMO publishers punish their long-term customers in favor of new or even imaginary customers. SOE has been notorious for this for many years.
Q: (walshicus) How will lockbox ships and consoles work for Romulans?
Dstahl: Romulan Republic captains not only have access to their exclusive faction ships, but will also have access to the ships and consoles of their chosen ally. Lock Box ships will remain available to all faction captains.This includes the possibility that we might release a Romulan themed box that may have specific Romulan ships that are available to all factions.
Ok, maybe not officialy confirmed but if Dan says might release a lock box, you can be pretty sure that they probably will. A Romulan lock box ship with cloak available to KDF and Fed players would be a huge seller, and you can bet that they won't pass the opportunity up.
Ah, fair enough. Will be interesting to see how they cram a race worth of ships into a lock box.
Because I don't play the game, or think like you do.
You can bemoan what's coming all you like, but I for one will try everything and probably enjoy doing it...,
... just like I have since the game went live.
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My main is a starfleet captain on an exploration mission in the Rolor Nebula charting stars and facilitating trade within the lanes between Beta Ursae and Rolor.
My KDF is a mirror time cop who is assigned to patrol the 25th Century.
My romulan will have his own unique back story.
None of the will be abandoned for favor of what is to meaningless performance incriese in the face of what is necessary in pve, and pvp (pssst teamwork is op)
Pretty much this. In fact that is how I approach every MMO I ever played.
Whenever I started, I had a clear idea in my head what I wanted my two toons to be, and built them to fit my concepts. Of course I strive to make the most out of them and squeeze every ounce of performance I can from them, but I didn't crunch a bunch of numbers to decide I wanted to play a sci Captain in a Cruiser.
Teamwork truly is OP. Believe it or not, one of the things that appeals to me in a MMO is teaming up with other people!:eek:
If you play for fun first you win STO. Numbers can come later.
I still really don't understand how this makes sense in the minds of the designers.
Would people choose to play KDF if the Fed had access to all their ships and they didn't have access to the Feds? It simply boggles as a starting decision. Might as well put in the KDF tooltip - note choosing a Romulan instead would give you access to all the ships you'd get as a KDF but some more to!
If further factions are added and they each have their ships + (fed || KDF ) ships then there simply makes the 'core' factions lesser then the erm... non-core (as defined by queuing and endgame divisions).
I still really don't understand how this makes sense in the minds of the designers.
Would people choose to play KDF if the Fed had access to all their ships and they didn't have access to the Feds? It simply boggles as a starting decision. Might as well put in the KDF tooltip - note choosing a Romulan instead would give you access to all the ships you'd get as a KDF but some more to!
If further factions are added and they each have their ships + (fed || KDF ) ships then there simply makes the 'core' factions lesser then the erm... non-core (as defined by queuing and endgame divisions).
It may be stunning for you, but not everything in this game is about ships. Beleive me or not, but a good part of this game is about the lore and missions.
A lot of people have Klingons, even if they have less ships, lvl, and missions.
I really don't see a reason for people with established mains to switch to a Romulan character and regrind all their character bound gear again. The only reason why the kdf is in bad shape is because there was no content originally and there is more fed options. The fact that all 3 will be on even footing at this point is great is you are on a new account. Right now I am way too invested in my federation characters, especially my main, to switch at this point. Since all factions share the same end game I do not see a reason to continue playing those characters once I complete Story Missions.
While I will be making both a kdf-rommie and a fed-rommie to see all the story I can also see myself giving my fed-rommie preferential treatment as my c-store purchases are slanted in the fed favor.
I still really don't understand how this makes sense in the minds of the designers.
Would people choose to play KDF if the Fed had access to all their ships and they didn't have access to the Feds? It simply boggles as a starting decision. Might as well put in the KDF tooltip - note choosing a Romulan instead would give you access to all the ships you'd get as a KDF but some more to!
If further factions are added and they each have their ships + (fed || KDF ) ships then there simply makes the 'core' factions lesser then the erm... non-core (as defined by queuing and endgame divisions).
if they gave existing KDF/FED toons access to future Romulan ships, who would then open the lockboxes? ha?
I really don't see a reason for people with established mains to switch to a Romulan character and regrind all their character bound gear again. The only reason why the kdf is in bad shape is because there was no content originally and there is more fed options. The fact that all 3 will be on even footing at this point is great is you are on a new account. Right now I am way too invested in my federation characters, especially my main, to switch at this point. Since all factions share the same end game I do not see a reason to continue playing those characters once I complete Story Missions.
While I will be making both a kdf-rommie and a fed-rommie to see all the story I can also see myself giving my fed-rommie preferential treatment as my c-store purchases are slanted in the fed favor.
KDF is in a bad shape for more reasons:
- Trek is about Starfleet. mostly.
- Klingons are savages, which only a little percentage would love to play, Nausicaans and Gorn have as good as NO story and background in this game, Orions? lovely but no backstory either
- the KDF tutorial and first missions are just a lol
- starting at lvl 20, needing a lvl 25 FED toon
- no or unusable sci ships
- as good as no costumes
But not unusual in this business. Many MMO publishers punish their long-term customers in favor of new or even imaginary customers. SOE has been notorious for this for many years.
I thought that Everquest, Star Wars Galaxies, and FFXIV were bad examples of how to handle an MMO?
I totally agree with you on all those point. Unfortunately it would take way too long to explain it all. In the end it still came down to them not being even in content and a classic case of too little too late.
My main toon was my first toon and it has everything on it. My second toon was a kdf toon. I started it at level 1. I had abandoned it when it got to about level 20 and I had finished most of the PvE mission. And saw no point in grinding to level up Just to get the last few missions. He only got leveled up after season 5 and By that point I had many fed toons maxed. Guess what added insult to injury was after season 5 when the kdf started at level 20? Since I had already completed all the featured series and have the kdf missions I did not get the new boosted skill points for first time play through so I still had to grind the harder way. If it weren't for the doff system I would have deleted him and started fresh.
In the end what ever the reason I still can only see this everyone starts at level 1 to be a good thing for new accounts. but for those already established it will be hard to get them to switch from their flag ship toon.
It is all about the ships these days. It is their bread and butter to sell new ships.
As for op topic, I am not seeing any reason to keep any Fed/KDF characters once May arrives
I agree with this.
A Romulan player will have what will essentially be 1.5 factions worth of content and items when compared to running a KDF or Federation Character.
Newer players that are coming into the game that do a little research 1st will find huge incentives to choose to roll a new Romulan Toon over a Federation or KDF.
In the end I'll have no problem with this has I already have 3 max level KDF and 4 max level Federation Captains; however, I'm sure that there will be some who with see this has an unfair advantage that the Romulans will have over both the other Factions.
The Romulans will truly have the best of two worlds :P
It may be stunning for you, but not everything in this game is about ships. Beleive me or not, but a good part of this game is about the lore and missions.
A lot of people have Klingons, even if they have less ships, lvl, and missions.
I would be surprised if most players with KDF mains did not choose to play KDF because they like the ship choices. There's a big difference between having less different ships and just having less of the same ships.
Not to mention that if what you say is true than there is no reason to allow the ship sharing anyway as the perspective Romulan would need not care about the number of ship options; alas I think we both know it to be largely untrue.
I will play the Romulan to see their story and get to role as one. I got 2 Feds, a KDF, and soon Romulan. Its fun to play the other style. I usually do on most games. Play both sides or what they offer for factions.
I won't quit playing my other 3 I already have current. And still have plans to get stuff for them as I play on gear wise or ships.
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I have 3 Fed and 2 KDF and of those I have 1 max level toon on each that I play regularly. When LoR goes live I will play a romulan that I have as a pen and paper character to play (GM would not allow me to play him ). Heck to be honest I will probably roll a reman for KDF to see that side of the story as well as my two main toons
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That is the most depressing thing I have heard in quite some time.
What is the source of this, as you put it, confirmation of fact?
Oh and to all those who are saying that "Teh Numb3rs" are not what matters to the majority of players in this game, I put this to you.
Why is the current most sought after and expensive ship the jem'hadar attack ship? It sure aint for it's looks.
Why does it have to be about getting an edge over other players? It's a PvE focused game ffs. If anyone played by that logic, why are still many people out there playing Engineers? Why are people still flying cruisers or science ships?
Yet another troll topic with no goal but to seed negativity.
Because cruisers and sci ships have a niche in pve they can fill quite well in the right hands? As I have stated, repeatedly, I don't fly competitively (My fed main wouldn't be an engi in an exploration retrofit if I did), but allot of the player base do.
When did it become trolling to present a viewpoint other than the one you personally think is the right one?
My KDF is a mirror time cop who is assigned to patrol the 25th Century.
My romulan will have his own unique back story.
None of the will be abandoned for favor of what is to meaningless performance incriese in the face of what is necessary in pve, and pvp (pssst teamwork is op)
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It's from Ask Cryptic: Legacy of Romulus.
http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=852601
Q: (walshicus) How will lockbox ships and consoles work for Romulans?
Dstahl: Romulan Republic captains not only have access to their exclusive faction ships, but will also have access to the ships and consoles of their chosen ally. Lock Box ships will remain available to all faction captains. This includes the possibility that we might release a Romulan themed box that may have specific Romulan ships that are available to all factions.
Ok, maybe not officialy confirmed but if Dan says might release a lock box, you can be pretty sure that they probably will. A Romulan lock box ship with cloak available to KDF and Fed players would be a huge seller, and you can bet that they won't pass the opportunity up.
It's still a huge time investment. When reality sets in and people are faced with having to complete three rep trees-omega, rom, and tholian-they'll probably give up shortly after reaching level 50. And I hate to say this, but I'm dreading the possibility of grinding a Rommie star base to tier 5. The Rommie base alone, without even considering rep trees, would be 5-6 months of grinding on average for a small fleet of 15-20 people. GAAH!!!!!
Ah, fair enough. Will be interesting to see how they cram a race worth of ships into a lock box.
Because I don't play the game, or think like you do.
You can bemoan what's coming all you like, but I for one will try everything and probably enjoy doing it...,
... just like I have since the game went live.
:cool:
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
Pretty much this. In fact that is how I approach every MMO I ever played.
Whenever I started, I had a clear idea in my head what I wanted my two toons to be, and built them to fit my concepts. Of course I strive to make the most out of them and squeeze every ounce of performance I can from them, but I didn't crunch a bunch of numbers to decide I wanted to play a sci Captain in a Cruiser.
Teamwork truly is OP. Believe it or not, one of the things that appeals to me in a MMO is teaming up with other people!:eek:
If you play for fun first you win STO. Numbers can come later.
Would people choose to play KDF if the Fed had access to all their ships and they didn't have access to the Feds? It simply boggles as a starting decision. Might as well put in the KDF tooltip - note choosing a Romulan instead would give you access to all the ships you'd get as a KDF but some more to!
If further factions are added and they each have their ships + (fed || KDF ) ships then there simply makes the 'core' factions lesser then the erm... non-core (as defined by queuing and endgame divisions).
A lot of people have Klingons, even if they have less ships, lvl, and missions.
While I will be making both a kdf-rommie and a fed-rommie to see all the story I can also see myself giving my fed-rommie preferential treatment as my c-store purchases are slanted in the fed favor.
if they gave existing KDF/FED toons access to future Romulan ships, who would then open the lockboxes? ha?
KDF is in a bad shape for more reasons:
- Trek is about Starfleet. mostly.
- Klingons are savages, which only a little percentage would love to play, Nausicaans and Gorn have as good as NO story and background in this game, Orions? lovely but no backstory either
- the KDF tutorial and first missions are just a lol
- starting at lvl 20, needing a lvl 25 FED toon
- no or unusable sci ships
- as good as no costumes
I thought that Everquest, Star Wars Galaxies, and FFXIV were bad examples of how to handle an MMO?
I totally agree with you on all those point. Unfortunately it would take way too long to explain it all. In the end it still came down to them not being even in content and a classic case of too little too late.
My main toon was my first toon and it has everything on it. My second toon was a kdf toon. I started it at level 1. I had abandoned it when it got to about level 20 and I had finished most of the PvE mission. And saw no point in grinding to level up Just to get the last few missions. He only got leveled up after season 5 and By that point I had many fed toons maxed. Guess what added insult to injury was after season 5 when the kdf started at level 20? Since I had already completed all the featured series and have the kdf missions I did not get the new boosted skill points for first time play through so I still had to grind the harder way. If it weren't for the doff system I would have deleted him and started fresh.
In the end what ever the reason I still can only see this everyone starts at level 1 to be a good thing for new accounts. but for those already established it will be hard to get them to switch from their flag ship toon.
I agree with this.
A Romulan player will have what will essentially be 1.5 factions worth of content and items when compared to running a KDF or Federation Character.
Newer players that are coming into the game that do a little research 1st will find huge incentives to choose to roll a new Romulan Toon over a Federation or KDF.
In the end I'll have no problem with this has I already have 3 max level KDF and 4 max level Federation Captains; however, I'm sure that there will be some who with see this has an unfair advantage that the Romulans will have over both the other Factions.
The Romulans will truly have the best of two worlds :P
I would be surprised if most players with KDF mains did not choose to play KDF because they like the ship choices. There's a big difference between having less different ships and just having less of the same ships.
Not to mention that if what you say is true than there is no reason to allow the ship sharing anyway as the perspective Romulan would need not care about the number of ship options; alas I think we both know it to be largely untrue.
Shhh, don't tell Cryptic that. They'll stop pumping out overpriced starships slightly better than the last overpriced starship they sold you.
Clearly, STO is about ground combat not about starships. Or money, Cryptic doesn't want your money and STO isn't about starships.
Crappygroundcombat Trek Online anybody? :rolleyes:
I won't quit playing my other 3 I already have current. And still have plans to get stuff for them as I play on gear wise or ships.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
You forgot to add Tor to that list :P
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I thought the definision of Idiocy was doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result? Or does no one listen anymore? :P
Ground combat doesn't need to be the way it is. In fact, if they stole NW combat system, it would be MMO nirvana!