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I will be honest, this is in response to some "bye bye" doom/depressive posting here...
Like most, I like to keep my hopes/expectation low and rejoy in what we can get. However, this new expansion brings a ray of sunshine upon Qo'nos and the Empire. Starting at lvl 1 was a very long standing request, since closed beta to be honest... tutorial revamped. Right there, the door is at least opened to new players.
Sure, some will say if there is nothing behind that door, it will be shut as quickly as it was opened. But, this is where it should stop... speculation and wrist cutting posts do nothing... let's wait for development and news about this expansion. This last one was only the big showcase, of course it has no details, it was the big hook.
So, I am cautiously optimistic, so you all should be. Try to smile and be good ambassadors of the KDF on all forums out there...
Qa'pla!
Like most, I like to keep my hopes/expectation low and rejoy in what we can get. However, this new expansion brings a ray of sunshine upon Qo'nos and the Empire. Starting at lvl 1 was a very long standing request, since closed beta to be honest... tutorial revamped. Right there, the door is at least opened to new players.
Sure, some will say if there is nothing behind that door, it will be shut as quickly as it was opened. But, this is where it should stop... speculation and wrist cutting posts do nothing... let's wait for development and news about this expansion. This last one was only the big showcase, of course it has no details, it was the big hook.
So, I am cautiously optimistic, so you all should be. Try to smile and be good ambassadors of the KDF on all forums out there...
Qa'pla!
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This is the most hopeful the KDF has been so far in quite sometime, although I won't get my hopes up with regards to bug fixes lol.
Cryptics Track Record of making improvements it said it was making speaks volumes alone.
I was not part of Beta, but joined at Launch.
Sorry if I remain "Disenchanted" on the subject, I've just heard "KDF Content Incoming" a dozen or two times too many.
Don't get me wrong, I'll celebrate it's arrival. Just from another game.
Too Little, Too Late.
3rd Year is a bit late to just now finish a second faction that has been left unfinished for so long with so many cruel "Next Season is KDF" and "More KDF stuff is coming" and "You'll still be able to use to original Gorn models" (which we can't of course)
So while it's nice to see you're attitude, really it's hopeful for the faction, I'm just too Disenchanted to care much any more.
"...just look at my track record for making the improvements that I said we would with the KDF and judge by that." - Dan Stahl
I completely agree with what you say OP. Through the time we managed to do more with less, so there's no point of worrying at all.
I am happy for these positive signals we got so far and the best we can do is, as you said, be cautiosly optimistic untill we get to know the contents on the next expansion and be grateful for what has been announced so far.
Not because of Cryptic itself, but because there are people in the KDF forums I trust...I don't know why.
Maybe it's the three years playing the game and reading their advice and ideas.
So I'll believe in khemaraa and his hints there's more coming than just the tutorial.
Also, checking the posting history of a particular individual who's become active suddenly reveals he's been using his accound for less than a week at this point and has been doing nothing but complain with it, no matter about what.
It's what I'd like to call a "Class A Troll" account.
Dev blogs saying what? Oh look guys, new tutorial! Look! Rank 1 start! Look! our intern cobbled up some lame 1->35 kdf missions for you to rank up!
...which is all pointless garbage since the time people spend between 1 to 50 on the fed side now is less than a week.
No end game additions for KDF is the sole indicator that Cryptic just doesn't care about KDF no matter how much they promise and state they do. Words mean nothing, actions do. So far their actions prove only that they don't.
Where are the new ships for KDF that are not copy/paste versions of fed ships and are not lockbox? Where are our unique ship designs (vesta type)? Ah right.. NOWHERE. Not one in 2 years.
Where are the fixes to critical KDF gameplay bugs that for 2 years have plagued the faction? Ah..right.. they NEVER came. However it is important to note the instant the Federation received access to KDF equipment the bugs that were tied to same equipment were magically fixed.
(yes, we are still very bitter of the decloak-for-comms bug. Grow some balls and admit it is a bug not a feature and fix the gdamn thing).
and now, the romulan faction will simply bury the KDF due to all efforts going into them as the soon to be most popular/populous faction. I would like to say that any work that was scheduled for KDF would not happen now.
...but I know it simply was never scheduled in the first place.
Really, dude, lighten up. That was OP's point with starting thist thread in the first place. To share a positive vibe amongst all the gloomy threads around, that IMHO are based on pure speculation so far.
I'm not saying that you're wrong in what you said. Considering the past experiences, noone can blame you for having the opinion you stated. But, if you had to share it, why not on one of the fine selection of gloom & doom threads that emerged lately?
Let's try to keep the positive mood in this one, like the OP wished for, shall we?
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Is it possible for the average forum user to make a poll?
Thanks... It is a game after all, a common place we all come and try to gather to have fun. If this is not fun, this is not worth spending time/money on it...
No
I am cautious like most here, keeping my hopes low as I'd rather eat my words and be surprised than disappointed like I have so many times.
Here is finally to faction equality. *Raises bloodwine to my fellow warriors*
Well if Roms and KDF both complain about the cloaking bug, together they will probably make 1/3 to 1/2 of the playerbase. That bug will get fixed at least. There will be some bright side to splitting the Fed fanbase.
A lot of Federation only players have admit they play it because there isn't a Romulan faction so the Federation player base I think will loose a lot of their player base to the Romulan faction.
To be totally honest I never understood why someone would only ever play one faction, I play both while I prefer the KDF all I am after is having all factions equal in content and development with no bias on any single faction. More content on the KDF will just bring more players and more money will come out of the faction. While they will never meet the Federation popularity ignoring a portion of your player base and customers isn't a good business strategy. I am hoping PWE and Cryptic have finally realized this. We will find out in May.
While you are right, some people may have an excuse. Like a science character on KDF side does not have a dedicated sci ship, and a Fed side a dedicated carrier unless you buy zen.
But yeah. Most people I think would try all sides out. With 10 level 50 chars, half of them Fed, half KDF, I can say that both side has its appeals and weaknesses trek wise and gameplay wise.
You know, it probably comes down to time & preferences. There are many players that can only spare so much time playing STO to support one char, especially with all the reputation leveling implemented in Season 7. Also there are people that just wan't to play as the Federation captains they saw in the shows and don't overally care about other factions.
But even people that have chars. on both sides, tend to have a primary faction of choice. That would be the faction their main char. is in, the one they like playing with the most. They go through content with that char. first, they level rep. with that char primarily, that char is the first to get new ship/equipment when they have zen supplied, so they grow close to the faction that char. belongs to and care about it's development.
Take me for example, my main is KDF, I have Fed. chars but when I communicate to Cryptic or anyone else on these forums, altough I actually care for STO as a whole, I'm primarily concerned about what goes on with the KDF.
Also, when the Romulan faction hits release there will be a ton of players from both factions swarming it. By the time the summer is over, and the feeling of fresh & new lays down things will probably get back in it's place. Eventually, the Fed. will lose a nice portion of it's player base to the RSE and so will the KDF but to much smaller proportions. Hopefully, having the KDF as a full faction will atract more newcomers that it had so far, so it will fill that hole and maybe increase a bit. Finally the game will end up with increased balance and although the Fed. will be the dominant faction it would't go as far as the suposed 85% it has now.
Yes that is a good point. I hope they fix this with the expansion, while the carrier I don't see as a huge issue, probably my own opinion of not fitting in with my play style I do think the lack of a free science vessel on the KDF is a huge blow to science Captains. My KDF science officer uses the 1000 Day Vet Destroyer due to the lack of a proper science ship. She is also my most under developer character for both factions due to this.
I agree and I feel playing both sides really gives you a good feel of this game, restricting yourself to one side is like trying to walk with one leg. Each to their own I guess.
I agree, the rep system really has made it hard to roll multiple characters, fleet ships also have made this overall expensive if you want to get the most out of your character. I myself have actually been in the process of removing older characters as I no longer use them, all of these are pre-season 6. I am cutting back to 3 Fed (lvl 50) and 4 KDF (lvl 50). Reason I have four KDF is my second character while done wrong I can't delete, I don't have the heart and hoping a re-trait token will appear sometime down the road so I can fix him.
I totally agree. I am the same as my main is a KDF. I am rather fond of my Fed main as she is done very well IMO and has a Lockbox ship on her. My KDF does too and he is done very well just set up to play differently.
Yes I am predicting (hoping too) the end result will be something like:
Fed - 40-50%
KDF and Romulan - 50-60% (25-30% each)
Thing is, the cloaking bug affects all the fed ships that cloak. And affects Mask Energy Signature.
It hasn't been fixed to date. And has affected potentially 100% of the population.
The only reason I see the bug can get fixed is, there's a chance that they're going to be working on all kinds of code since they're making a 1 to 50 levelling experience for the new faction, a faction that will have cloaks. So finally someone might actually be in that particular area of the code.
But there's a much better chance they'll just break something new about cloaks instead.
To paraphrase DStahl, no matter how mahy times you read that on the forums ... that's a very small fraction of the actual players.
Most people don't. But Cryptic's metrics say otherwise. The 80% Fed figure is not going to change.
Actually, if the KDF completion and the new Romulan faction are done properly, I can see it falling down in the range of 60-65%.
Yes, the Federation has absolutely the largest number of fans, but even now that number wouldn't be as high as it is if people had a choice availible rather than the obligatory start as a Fed.
I only hope that the TREND of the number change will be enough and in favor of KDF (and Rom) for PWE to see the need to keep supporting all of their factions.
What should change is how much you believe their figures.
I would assume that Feature Episodes and Tholian Task Force Reputation are going to be open to kdf as well, so that is some endgame content. Also, fed (and KDF) might get access to the episodes surrounding the evil robot squid invasion. Or they may be similar to the Fel'khri episodes and be Rommie specific.
And there is going to be SOME change to pvp, though not necessarily for the better, in order to have a tripartide system.
Everyone complains, but the best possible thing that can happen to this game is more people joining. Period.
I don't get the complaints about the end-game content, that's being added on regular basis and it would be expected to be faction generic so every faction would have access to it, unless they're making a u-turn in their development policies. So, the lvl 50 chars. will have stuff to do as always, and filling up the lower level gap was much needed in this game and I wholeheartedly wellcome it.
And I wish the "evil robot squids" to turn out to be Hur'q, so we could have proper involvment for the KDF. The Empire owes the Hur'q a disruptor blast to the face for a long time now.
I agree, end-game is always being developed. The next season will have more end-game as will the season after it. I am looking forward to the KDF early level content, and I won't see why one can't play it with their level 50 characters.
I hope any Fek'Lhri and Hur'Q content will be KDF exclusive, there still needs to be a reason to play the KDF, same with the Fed and Romulans, they must have unique campaigns as well. I am for unique missions and campaign for all three factions, otherwise a lot of people won't bother with the other factions as it will all be the same just in a different colour.
They have already made nearly every console in this game cross-faction at least they could keep the campaigns unique to the faction.
I'm too focused on what I have now, and what I have to do today, to waste this much time on what I have not gotten yet, worry about what I will not get, or gnash my teeth about what I should have gotten.
All the time I could spend on that, I'd rather spend on life, work, and sleep (in varying degrees).
I'll worry about what's coming or not when it comes. For now, my game time is focused on serving the Fleet and finishing my Omega gear without grinding too much.
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A lot of folks are worried too about the effect the Romulan faction will have on the KDF, the possibility of shrinking our numbers even more. But most folks I know who play the KDF are there because they like being there. These folks are intensly loyal to the red side, they'd have to be to stick it out throught the years of content drought so while they may make a Romulan toon I doubt they will setup shop over there. On the other had you have hords of Fed players who have been clamoring for a Romulan faction for a long time, most of those who want a Romulan faction seem to be from that side. The dissolution of the Fed side is a good thing since if there numbers drop down to where they aren't the biggest faction then they will no longer be able to dictate which direction the game goes. If that happens the tears of frustration and rage will be epic.
Also before launch and for awhile afterwards the STO webpage had several factions in addition to the KDF and Feds that would become playable at some point in time. If I remember right it had the Cardassians, Dominion, Ferengi, Romulans, and I believe the Borg listed. So I believe at the begining Cryptic intended to have more than one faction but for reasons I won't go into here didn't happen, or at least not happen right away. So that is something to consider.
So my advise is to go ahead and be hopeful but cautious as well.
by the same token, so does assuming the KDF is going to get anything. history speaks for itself. it also tends to repeat itself
the same people say that with every update, with very little to show for it. there comes a time when 'cautiously optimistic' becomes gullible. the fact is we have been told 'the next update' is 'the big klingon update' more times than I care to count, and have been lied to each and every single time - and thats when they were saying there was stuff coming. so now you expect anyone to believe anything is coming when they have said nothing about any content? think about that
given a budget is one thing, doing anything with it is another. if there was anything big in the works, common sense says it wouldn't be possible to complete it at the same time they are developing a new faction. the resources just aren't there to do both. to say nothing of the fact that they still claim they don't do anything for the KDF because 'nobody plays them' and that hasn't changed. why spend money on it now?
name one. 1-50 certainly isn't. thats only 5 more levels than the KDF started with. a tutorial? does nothing for anyone unless there is something to do afterwards. all we did get was romulan related info. how many months does it take to make a 5 mission featured episode again...? think about that
anyone foolish enough to buy into some random person on a message board saying 'I know a guy that knows a guy...honest!' is going to get disappointed
in other words belittling said person to try to discredit anything they say. by the way, calling someone a troll is prohibited. its also ignorant
in other words to try to get people to ignore anyone who states what has actually gone on around here for the last 3 years. its the 'positive' threads that are based on nothing but speculation. those that are not are based on the history of cryptics development of the KDF. the history speaks for itself. did you know that the most accurate way to predict future behavior is to look at past behavior? I don't see you going into the posts you're referring to and telling people to stop telling people to 'stop posting doom and gloom'
in other words 'we want to happily make excuses, assumptions and go 'yay cryptic' based on absolutely nothing'
how about we stick to reality instead of blind assumptions. the fact is that anyone believing that the factions are going to be brought up to anything remotely resembling completion are living in a fantasy world. its not in the slightest bit realistic
because alot of people don't like playing a buggy, barely built faction with 9 missions and alot of grinding