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Would you Buy the Odyssey Ship/Pack Again?
sirokk
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Hi, All...
As for my main, who is an Engineer, I am contemplating an Odyssey Tactical ship or Set, knowing fair well that it is... slow. I have the Excelsior but not the Regent and unfortunately didn't pick the Sovereign. I would appreciate input from those who have purchased an Ody.
Is the saucer separation worth the increased turn rate?
Is the Sensor Analysis worth getting the Sci ship over the Tactical for the extra Tactical console slot?
What do you like about your Ody over the other cruisers like the Regent/Excelsior, besides the turn rate?
Is the pack worth the extras/combinations that might work well together in your experience?
If you own both the Regent and an Ody, which one do you like the most?
Thanks for your input on your experience!
As for my main, who is an Engineer, I am contemplating an Odyssey Tactical ship or Set, knowing fair well that it is... slow. I have the Excelsior but not the Regent and unfortunately didn't pick the Sovereign. I would appreciate input from those who have purchased an Ody.
Is the saucer separation worth the increased turn rate?
Is the Sensor Analysis worth getting the Sci ship over the Tactical for the extra Tactical console slot?
What do you like about your Ody over the other cruisers like the Regent/Excelsior, besides the turn rate?
Is the pack worth the extras/combinations that might work well together in your experience?
If you own both the Regent and an Ody, which one do you like the most?
Thanks for your input on your experience!
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The thing is, the ship is too modular to not like. It has too much versatility and overall is just too much fun to fly (if you can tolerate the low turn rate and enjoy it's ability).
the oddy 3 pack was my first store purchase. i was a huge fan of the oddy for a long time even though i was a tac officer.
i eventually went towards escorts and left the big hulls behind. out of my original oddy 3 pack i only have the sci oddy remaining. i needed room for new ships and the other oddys had to go.
the saucer separation really helps, but i could never get the ops oddy up to par with the other 2. the sci oddy was always my best and favorite.
i will take the excelsior over the oddy any day of the week. it is just a better ship.
naturally i would recommend the sci oddy. if you really wanted one i would just get sci or tac. you don't need 3 of them and the console bonus is no big deal imho.
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Love it.
My only regret was not buying the 3-pack. Becasue now I have an Eng Captain that really needs a better cruiser, and will be buying the Ops Oddy this weekend. Can't wait to try saucer sep...
My Sci Captain won't be flying an Oddy and she has a Vesta.... :cool:
Why can't your engineering captain fly the tactical odyssey you already bought?
Yes, if anything, this is the console to have. Most of the Oddy tank builds (STO Academy) recommend it. While the turn rate increase is nice, it isn't necessary for a tank. Slow yes, but with beam weapons as your primary offensive strategy the optimal attack is a broadside. One version of my build has the subspace jump console for a quick kill.
No, IMO the increase to overall abilities is minor.
The hull and crew size falls into the 'must have column' for tanking.
I played will all three and found them interesting, but not OP. Eventually I dropped all three consoles to make room for the Romulan reputation and OMEGA reputation sets.
Hands Down - Odyssey.
My Build:
Full Reman XII set from the romulan reputation. Passive shield bonuses are cool, and on par with MACO for overall survivability. This is debated elsewhere in the forums, that while they lack the 20% plasma defense with MACO - they more than make up with the overall boost. My shields have topped out at 18K per facing in combat.
I have MACO, but chose the Reman set for a thematically 'plasma tank'.
The other 'passive' bonus is that Hyper-plasma HY torpedos move faster.
Reman reputation set (hyper plasma torpedo's, ZPM, and Experimental Array)
OMEGA reputation set (rear firing OMEGA, cutting beam and Assim module)
4 Romulan Plasma Arrays
It's easily in the 5K range for cruiser damage, and can survive PvE swarms handily.
Yes the Odyssey is a very versatile ship, I enjoyed the Sci version with my engineer for a long time before switching to the ops version for my Engineer.
The 3 console set was ok but a little meh. I dropped those consoles and fitted consoles of my choice.
The Fortitude makes me smile as I circled the old Tac cube in the elite STF and held aggro from some very well built escorts and was able to heal myself and team mates if needed.
I adapted some tricks to get her to turn well enough and the Lt..Cmdr universal and ensign universal is surprisingly useful depending on what role I take in mission.
She takes a little love to fly well and despite getting ribbed by fleet mates about my space whale there always glad to see her warp in.
Mind you my fleet boss Pathfinder is always "trying" to work out new ways to blow me up! ;-)
Seriously I like the Odyssey and my Engineer always come back to her.
Cheers
Rich
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Because I wanted something a little different. Considering that I didn't get the cash to buy it, I'm not concerned about the cost
Absolutely. I think this is the best console to have. While I bought the three-pack, if I had to only pick one I'd pick the Ops version just for this console, even though I rather hate the rest of the features on that variant of the ship. I favor tactical, myself.
Only if you like gimping yourself. I find SA to be of almost no use, and actually a bit of a detriment. You can't use your support abilities without risking losing the SA bonus. I also consider myself to have lost at least one PvP match because of SA - the opponent kept cloaking and evading target lock (or something - it was a KDF and he had some ability I am still unfamiliar with, kept ending up targeting his pets). Especially when you factor in the +5 weapon energy, and the fact that it takes somewhere around a minute of continuous firing on a single target to exceed the damage potential of three consoles... yeah, it's not worth it by a long shot, sad but true. I know some disagree with me, but I can't see how it's even a comparison. IMO the tactical hull is the best base ship of all three.
Can't say that I like it that much - I hemmed and hawed between the Regent and Ody for a while. I had the Ody because it was the best tactical cruiser before the Regent came about. I'm on a Fleet Assault Cruiser right now and loving it. I would say that the Odyssey's flexibility is awesome, though, and lets you put together a build with a lot of staying power and one more tac ability than the Regent, which is a plus in itself.
Personally I do not think I would have enjoyed the Odyssey nearly as much without the three-pack bonuses. It feels almost like an incomplete ship without them. That said, they do eat up a lot of console slots. However, I don't think the ship would have been a lot of fun as the ops version, even if it carried the saucer sep console, and buying the tactical hull with it would be the same as buying all three in the pack, so I just cut to the chase and got the pack.
This is a very tough one for me to answer. I keep my engineer in an Odyssey these days, but my tacs have migrated to the Regent or Fleet AC. They're ships that can serve similar purposes. I would say that the Odyssey is hands-down more flexible. The Regent is basically stuck in the DPS/tank combination no matter what you want to do with it. That said, it does it's job well, and DPS/tank seems to be what a LOT of people use cruisers for anyway. However, the Odyssey has better armor (hull HP) than any non-fleet ship, and its shields are superior to the Starfleet tactical cruiser fleet variants (shield mod of 1.1 vs 1.15).
A few caveats, though - the Aquarius is basically a flying coffin. Some love it, but I can't keep the dang thing alive when I need it to help. I do not believe this is an uncommon sentiment. I keep it for the set bonuses, and launch it mostly for the heck of it.
Also, although I'm a fan of using an RCS on a cruiser, you should be aware that there is simply no good way to make it have an impact on an Odyssey, so I wouldn't even bother with that.
Also remember that most of the Odyssey goodies require console slots. There's no way around that one.
Another big caveat - the saucer separation ability and the Aquarius launch can and do get stuck at times, which can leave you stuck and unable to swap modes. This is especially bad when the Aquarius is launched and you can't recall it to separate the saucer. This is a bug that I've had since June and several others have reported as of late, so I'm pretty sure it isn't fixed, and might never be. This is a serious crimp in what is, IMO, the best feature of the ship.
These are not meant to "scare" you - just a note. The Regent isn't foolproof herself, either - the Riker Maneuver console really doesn't do much that's useful in my experience, and the ship itself is a sidegrade from the assault cruiser, not an upgrade. However, the side-launching torpedo is really awesome and she's a solid ship with a full +10 to weapons power, so there's no denying she packs a punch.
One thing to note about the Odyssey is that it DOES have a certain regality about it that the Regent doesn't. Not surprising given it's the next Enterprise and is the flagship class. That said, it's still got a lot of flaws. Ultimately though I'm pretty sure I would have picked up the Ody set again, although with the Regent available I would have been given great pause - although in the end I bought both.
One final advantage for the science Odyssey - Work Bees. These may seem to be fairly useless on the surface, but they actually have one very important advantage in the form of their range - 15 KM instead of the standard 10 KM of BOff abilities. In a close spot with a ship getting hammered, those bees can be the difference between the distressed ship pulling through, and you arriving just in time to dump Engineering Team and Hazard Emitters on a pile of burning space debris.
I have the Odyssey science cruiser, which to me is the only one that really offers anything unique. Sensor analysis is pretty potent on a ship with 4/4 guns and no need to take power from weapons, since SA's bonus is after everything else. +33% bonus from SA really does mean +33% total damage output. And the bees are nice because they give you a mild heal with good up time and no shared cooldowns.
Versus... People rave wildly about the saucer-separation console that comes with the operations cruiser, but if you're going to give up a big chunk of your survivability for a high turn rate then jut buy a bloody escort. And the Aquarius pet? lol? Yeah. No. The only useful pets are ones you can spam to replace combat losses.
actually it is not a big deal having the reduced stats with the separation...you are still tanky enough for every PVE content. And it is not an escort like ship...more like the fleet vor'cha in my opinion.
Also the saucer section is not useless...it actually has some ability that it uses on you and the team and amazingly enough it does search for warpcore breaches to die in like the aquarius. Atleast not mine.
Agreed regarding the main ship.
The Galaxy-R is often compared to an escort in separated mode, at least so far as the stardrive section goes. I do not know how true this actually is, but I have heard the comparison many, many times. However, I do know that it is NOT true for the Odyssey class. It essentially takes your big, hulking barracuda and turns it into a sleek, fast shark. In many ways I would dare to say that it combines the best attributes of the Odyssey, Assault Cruiser and Excelsior-R, and with minimal loss of armoring and shields. In fact, I think the shields are STILL better than the stock Assault Cruiser (and by extension, Regent and Excel-R), and the hull only moderately drops. The Aux and Shield power loss is fairly negligible in practice in my experience, at least if you're rotating EPtS, and making judicious choices as to when separation is appropriate and advantageous.
The main drawback of the saucer separation is the cooldown. This makes it impossible to get around the fundamental nature of the ship, that of a massive, heavily armored, hulking beast. That said, that really isn't all that surprising.
I would, however, note that the saucer isn't all that useful IMO. But it's usually more useful (and more survivable) than the Aquarius is. Plus, ultimately, something that far too many people seem to forget - the separation gimmick is not about getting a sidekick - it's about getting RID of the saucer. Recall Worf's statement in TNG Season 1, which is even indirectly quoted in the Odyssey class's saucer sep console description - something like "relieved of her bulk, she is a formidable weapon." This is very true for the Odyssey stardrive. The saucer turning into a sidekick is a bit of a plus.
All 3 ships are there, just collecting dust.
During an interview our fleet did with BranFlakes we asked/made the suggestion to
add something to "upgrade" older ships as we approach the latter part of the year and
the lvl increase to 60, he cheerfully passed it along, so here's hoping.
They were a good pack when launched, but as an engineer now I love my fleet Excell,
wouldn't want to fly anything else.
But as I said, I always ended up going back to my Excelsior retrofit, it just suits my playing style better, so I really can't say I'd buy it again, at least not for $50.
Would you Buy the Odyssey Ship/Pack Again?
Well, i would buy it if it had some alternative ship parts.
No matter how good it's Console & BOFF layout is, i just can't stand its looks.
I always hated the Excelsior and the Odyssey shares some of it's ugly proportions (looooooong nacelles, ugly Saucer/engineering hull connection, backwards facing pylons)
As long as there isn't some way to change that, i won't buy it.
Loadout wise, the Odyssey wins no questions. It is incredibly flexible, I love the universal ensign and Lt. Com. It lets me essentially run a pseudo dragon build (Ie. Care about EPtW/S 100% uptime) and still have a lot of tactical boff slots. It is really nice. The turn rate is a bit of a drag, though it is not /that/ horrible. Noticeably slow, but not too horrible. Of course I avoid pvp like the plague so, cannot talk about that.
As for the consoles it is a mixed bag. Chevron Sep is undeniably effective, almost too much so. I enjoy actually flying my Odyssey, not her stardrive. Aquarius would be better if it functioned like a hangar, but currently it just dies too fast, and even when it dies you have to manually recall it. Worker Bees are amazing, if a bit spazzy. I can be at 75% hull hp and they will refuse to target me, but overall a free extra heal is always great. If I had to choose just one console it would be them, but the Tactical Odyssey is the variant I fly.
yeah an alternatve skin would be much appreciated. I'm ok with the overall shape from above, but the split neck i hate. If the neck would be erased and the saucer directly attached to the hull it would look awesome. also the hangar deck on the saucer would have a 400m runway ontop of the drive section.
At the very least I would have the Enterprise, and would be able to use her to figure out what cruiser I wanted next, as she can mimic just about any cruiser out there.
The speed isn't nearly as bad as people complain about, they just don't know how to handle a big girl, and saucer sep makes her glide.
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As a tank ship the Oddy is a great. With the right build and equipment you can get some insanely out of this world hull and shield capacity numbers with the ship. Honestly though I've just always felt underwhelmed when flying any version of her. Everything I can do in my Oddy I can do better and faster in my Regent. I always wind up going back to the Regent class. About the only captain I still use the Oddy on from time to time is my Engineer since you can actually use several of the BO slots to make a decent build where the Oddy doesn't turn like a cinder block.
If you like being in an uncontrolled powerslide, hey, it may be the ship for you.