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  • seanftdseanftd Member Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    syberghost wrote: »
    You can be Free 2 Play with exclusive items, as long as equivalent items are available via free means. What is there in game that you can't get an equivalent item via Zen obtained from Dilithium trading?

    The game is a free to play I don't see much of an argument against it, Freetown play with option to play, in essence your basically saying no modern game with online features isn't free to play.
  • syberghostsyberghost Member Posts: 1,711 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    malkarris wrote: »
    These items and rewards maybe?

    Some of which are skill point rewards or items for which there are no equivalent items anywhere else?

    Skill point boosts have a free equivalent; playing more. :)

    None of the veteran ships are better than every non-veteran ship in the game.

    There are equivalents for all of that stuff, available through other means. The only thing I can think of that doesn't have an equivalent is the Red Matter Capacitor, and that's a pretty minor thing.
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  • p2wsucksp2wsucks Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    The issue isn't just balance and powercreep (those are also issues). But, it's also what resources are spent on.

    For example, compare the rate Featured Episodes are churned out prior to Cryptic's pending sale (3 series in under a year) to after 1 series and 1 episode.

    Now look at all the shallow grind content added (Doffing/Rep/Fleet/STFs) and the new powercreep based shinies not only a zen store, but a gambling numbers system w/a losers shop.

    Imo, this game was much more enjoyable w/FEs being produced (and no Foundry missions don't make up for it. No offense intended to those that put effort and energy into making them).
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  • adamma1701adamma1701 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    trellabor wrote: »
    There a benefits and features of this game that you MUST pay to unlock at least once if you wish to take advantage of them. There is no other way to obtain them than paying for at least 1 month, how is that 'free'?

    What would those be? you can unlock almost anything with dil/c-points which don't cost a cent unless you want them too. same with boxes, keys and lobi.
    And Vet rewards do not count, unless you think fireworks. fancy hull material and clothing are an advantage, The Boff is cool and the 1000 day vessels are awesome, but you can get something just as good/better in game from the c-store or fleet.
    700 day skill point boost? pfft, you can level a silver account to 50 in 1 day as it is.

    This MMO is about as free to play as it gets. Try D&D online, or LOTR, you can't even access mid level content without paying. TOR charges you just so your toon can run, World of Tanks becomes too expensive to maintain the higher tiers without a sub, and a lot of f2p MMO's don't even have the option of earning "unlocks" by playing/grinding.

    I don't know what's more annoying lifers/golds complaining they don't get enough perks to be worth the sub, or F2P silvers screaming "It's pay to win! no fair!"

    Cheers
  • plox21plox21 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Free Odyssey , Ambassador , Breen ship , Bortas Battle Cruiser , Kamarag Battle cruiser....
    Full exchange of mirror ships that cost less than 300k ec....
    Bunch of fleet ships that cost 200k fleet credits..
    With every level/rank there is token for new ship!?!?... What sorcery is this?!....Blasphemy and heresy i say.
    And you can play end game content with free ships!?!?!?!?!.....OMFG this game IS P2W...hardcore edition :).

    Forgive me for what I do! I... cannot... stop... ONLY GRIND REMAIN!!!! :D.




    All part of the masters plan! Your F2P end is... inevitable!




    Btw i dare everyone who thinks that STO is P2W to play SWTOR or LOTR because these 2 are definition of P2W XD.
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  • janewaywarriorjanewaywarrior Member Posts: 93 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    plox21 wrote: »
    Free Odyssey , Ambassador , Breen ship , Bortas Battle Cruiser , Kamarag Battle cruiser....
    Full exchange of mirror ships that cost less than 300k ec....
    Bunch of fleet ships that cost 200k fleet credits..
    With every level/rank there is token for new ship!?!?... What sorcery is this?!....Blasphemy and heresy i say.
    And you can play end game content with free ships!?!?!?!?!.....OMFG this game IS P2W...hardcore edition :).

    Forgive me for what I do! I... cannot... stop... ONLY GRIND REMAIN!!!! :D.




    All part of the masters plan! Your F2P end is... inevitable!




    Btw i dare everyone who thinks that STO is P2W to play SWTOR or LOTR because these 2 are definition of P2W XD.

    I just find it appalling that this is a by-product of companies these days.... bring back the days when wow was the king and everyone followed it... with subscriptions. This greed complex is so... human.
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