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eyejack
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I asked in game over pvp chat,
In a 1v1, if you have two eng captains of equal skill and in tier 5 cruisers will one ever kill the other?
The response to this was,
it would never end, until one passed out.
My response was,
I agree. Now is this because of this is what Star Trek is like OR this is what people think is what an mmo should be like?
No one knew what to say... Interesting.
In a 1v1, if you have two eng captains of equal skill and in tier 5 cruisers will one ever kill the other?
The response to this was,
it would never end, until one passed out.
My response was,
I agree. Now is this because of this is what Star Trek is like OR this is what people think is what an mmo should be like?
No one knew what to say... Interesting.
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Play with another game with capital ships (not necessary an MMO), and you will see the fate of 2 ships of the same class engaged in a duel.
Jolan tru.
One may question the purpose of shoehorning cruisers into a heal-tank role, or even the existence of a heal-tank combination, but not the inevitable result when two players built for defense and healing go against one another.
to the question: "should it be that way?" IMHO, yes...PVP should be balanced around teams not around 1vs1 fights. especially not 2 tank classes fighting each other.
Not really, since most tank classes have limited to no self healing, they will eventually grind through one another. Moreso since in many games they have stuff like stuns and disarms built into the class or added by the PVP-tank spec.
Damage and shields may need to be tweaked for this to work but it will add realism and stop these indestructable ships that we continually see.
on the other hand, rock-paper-scissors works the same whether 1v1 or 5v5. bring more rocks, your opponents bring more paper.
2 tactical oriented escorts face off, does one kill another? Nope
A sci-scort might be able to sub nuke, debuff and kill one, but the reality is you can't keep another escort in DHC damage long enough and even if you could, you couldn't hit them enough to overcome all the reputation passive traits.
PvP is plain broken
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Same old cookie cutter inside the box stuff for MMO's? I would like it to be more like Star Trek in this regard and less like any other game with a different face on it. IMO
Correct, damage and shields would need a little tweaking but it would add a bit more trek to this game.
I had this same idea when i was a beta tester. I posted it in the beta forums. As you can see this forward thinking was ignored sadly.
there are so many things that i see in other MMOs or single player games that i wished to be implemented in STO. There is nothing wrong with copying other games, if it is done right.
Example: DOTA, what if ships in STO were like heros in DOTA or LOL. Each ship with its own and unique ability set.
Or the Tera combat system for STO ground combat...I started a hunter and the first few moments in the game i thought:"Wow, this combat system would actually be fantastic for STO"
i mean i support developers that want to try out something new for their games, but in my opinion ground combat in STO and especially the shooter mode are a completely failed part of the game.
And the BOFF system for your ship basically allows you to use any ability you want, but in the end there are only a hand full abilitys that are worth it, and combined with the skilltree system too restictive to make ship hopping possible.
anyway the main problem of this game lies within the skilltree imho. It feels like it has nothing really to do with the game, something appart. Yet it confines my character to a specific set of skills or ship if i want to be effective.
I disagree. Cruisers would incur less permanent damage that other ships. Think of it like this. If a torpedo could blow a 10 meter cubic area off a ship, who would hurt the most, the Enterprise of the Defiant?
Additionally, as mentioned in my idea, weapon damage and shield ability would need to be adjusted. Cruisers should never be able to burst like an escort but they should be able to provide meaningful pressure damage.
I was thinking this when he responded to you. I guess he didn't read the entire post? :P
Pressure damage? What's that? -.-
HERP
We know that it doesn't exist now but surely we must all want it in the game?
They would, but if they're applying pressure damage, thus helping the escorts, AND healing, therefore making the escorts and science ships last longer it could work.
No, no I'm not. I did not say that cruiser should be able to take out an incoming source of dps. No, not once did I say that. What I did say is that their pressure damage should help the escorts. Yes, yes I did say that. No, no I did not say they should take out dps sources.
At the moment the pressure damage cruisers apply doesn't really help as much as it should.
On things that might change i try to keep it simple as possible like 'increase array damage'. Humans don't like being told they might have something not as good as it could be. This especially applies to the devs that put a lot of time into this. If you tell them it is wrong they defend that hill to the death and/or not respond. It's folly sadly.
I do truly hope i am wrong in this last point though!
Kinda like watching 2 holy pallys in WoW duel. It took about 10 mins for one to win.
except no one will win in this game on even footing.