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warbird001
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I have finally FOUND my salvation. For months I have been looking for a ship that appeals to me and has the firepower I have been craving without having to turn into an "Escort Junkie" or "Fighter Jock" as our fleet call them.
Then it dawned on me... The Galaxy X Cruiser is primarily a Galaxy (my favorite ship) and it can load DHC's. So I did a little experimentation and found a Galaxy-X Cruiser that is essentially a fantastic mix of a cruiser and escort.
A lot of people complain about the Gal-X's turn rate but as somebody who's always flown cruisers I barely notice this. Not with the advantage of cloaking... I went into a PvP, snuck up on an Andorian Escort, decloaked, Phaser Lance, critted and then opened fire with my three DHC's on the front and High Yield Quantum and utterly obliterated that little fighter jock.
He then decided to whisper me with abuse, as Escort pilots usually cannot take Cruiser's beating them. But its all good...
My point is, Tachyokinetic Converter gives you a +22% Turn Rate to the Dreadnought making more then capable to use its cannons. Sure, Escorts will try to get right up your but as they do but if you stick some nice mines of high yield plasma's on the rear, even warp plasma gets rid of them.
So don't count cruisers out yet... A lot of it is ability with the ship you have, not just the ship itself. It doesn't matter how many guns Cryptic gives these escorts, a knowledgeable and powerful cruiser captain can take them down.
So don't despair Cruiser guys... We just need to unite and stay strong and show these Escort junkies, we ain't going anywhere!
Basically, this is my Galaxy-X (same as a canon D'Deridex Warbird), there are others like it but this one is mine!
Then it dawned on me... The Galaxy X Cruiser is primarily a Galaxy (my favorite ship) and it can load DHC's. So I did a little experimentation and found a Galaxy-X Cruiser that is essentially a fantastic mix of a cruiser and escort.
A lot of people complain about the Gal-X's turn rate but as somebody who's always flown cruisers I barely notice this. Not with the advantage of cloaking... I went into a PvP, snuck up on an Andorian Escort, decloaked, Phaser Lance, critted and then opened fire with my three DHC's on the front and High Yield Quantum and utterly obliterated that little fighter jock.
He then decided to whisper me with abuse, as Escort pilots usually cannot take Cruiser's beating them. But its all good...
My point is, Tachyokinetic Converter gives you a +22% Turn Rate to the Dreadnought making more then capable to use its cannons. Sure, Escorts will try to get right up your but as they do but if you stick some nice mines of high yield plasma's on the rear, even warp plasma gets rid of them.
So don't count cruisers out yet... A lot of it is ability with the ship you have, not just the ship itself. It doesn't matter how many guns Cryptic gives these escorts, a knowledgeable and powerful cruiser captain can take them down.
So don't despair Cruiser guys... We just need to unite and stay strong and show these Escort junkies, we ain't going anywhere!
Basically, this is my Galaxy-X (same as a canon D'Deridex Warbird), there are others like it but this one is mine!
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This part made me cheer. It's good to hear there are guys who are making cruisers work. Especially the Gal-X.
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Console:
TAC - 4
ENG - 4
SCI - 2
TAC - LT CMDR
TAC - ENS
ENG - CMDR
UNI - LT
SCI - LT
Bump the turn rate to 10 or at least 8 and shorten the Lance cooldown to 2 min. And the Fleet varient should have a little more hull and base Shields.
Nice to finally hear some praise for this particular ship... and I am also amazed to hear so many people get hate text from disgruntled escort players!? Talk about being a sore loser! Well done, I wish all cruisers could mount whatever weapons you want as I'd rather fly a cruiser personally... keep us posted on your progress, might give the dreadnought a whirl.
BSJ
Hey man, can you pass me your build to compare with mine?
As the OP demonstrates the Galaxy X already IS one of the best cruisers in the game. Is fully capable of popping escorts with an alpha strike. And doesn't need any tweaks.
Kudos to the OP for harnessing the power of the dreadnought!
I say no to tunring it into ANOTHER cruiser like that, we have 2 Fed cruisers like that already. Let me keep my cruiser-Escort not my Escort-with-a-eng-slot
Giving it a additional Tac console would also give it a bit more teeth.
Some, like you for example who would like to use instead only Lt. tactical BOFF powers are still free to use just a Lt.
Similar to the Tac Consoles. You want only 3? heck, so use only 3.
My point is, a BOFF & console Layout would make the Galaxy -X much more on par with other combat oriented ships, like the new Jem hadar Cruiser/dreads. It would make the Galaxy Dreadnought much more capable in combat.
I can't see anything bad with admgreer suggestions TBH.
On the other hand giving a ship that is capable to use heavy cannons only a lt. tactical seems to me like a evil joke.
But hey, that's just my opinion, i am sure you are much more qualified to judge something like that much better than me.
I'm a Tactical
Fore Weapons: 2 x Fleet Phaser DHC's Mark XII Damage x 3, 1 x Phaser Quad Cannons, 1 x Mark XI Quantum Torpedo Acc x 2
Shields: M.A.C.O - Mark XII - Maco is arguably the best cruiser shield, even without the rest of the set.
Deflector: Borg Mark XI
Engines: Borg Mark XI - I use Borg for the Autonomous Regeneration because of the hull buff which works well in my build and stacks my resistance as we as healing me. A Cruiser should always take advantage of its high hull.
Rear Weapons: 3 x Fleet Phaser Turrets Mark XII Damage x 3, 1 x Purple Plasma Torpedo Mark XI Acc x 2 (Plasma for any escorts that like to get up my backside
Engineering: AMS/Cloak (Depends on Situation) 2 x Nuetronium (My Bad XD) Mark XI Armour , Tachyokinetic Coverter
Science: Field Generator Mark XI, Borg Assimilated Console
Tactical: 3 x Phaser Relay Mark XI
That's the Elysium, now for my boffs
Lt Tac: Torpedo High Yield 1, Cannon Rapid Fire 1 (Switch between Spread and Scatter depending on situation, Support cruiser and DPS) - Scatter is Awesome for Annoying Adds and Fighters, Also the Hyper Plasma a lot of Escorts spam.
Ens Tac: Tactical Team 1
Com Eng: EM to Weapons 1, Aux to Damp 1, RSP II, Aux to Structual III
Lt Com Eng: Engineering Team 1, EM to Shields II, EM to Shields III (EM to Shields III can be switched for Extend Shields if acting as support cruiser)
Lt Sci: Sci Team 1, HE II
If you have any questions about this build or critiques, please feel free to post them here.
So yes, cruisers are viable damage dealers if built and used properly. But they still have a long way to go before coming anywhere close to a lot of escorts.
Unfortunately the FACR is limited due to its use of beams, unfortunatly to beat the Escort, you have to play their game a lot. Escort pilots are usually the ones in the game that do not want to put a lot of effort into the game so they grab the fastest and highest damage ship possible.
Our job as Cruiser Captains is to slow them down, make them helpless and then blow the $?%$ out of them. I personally believe that Cruisers should have "side" guns instead of front or back so we can load cannons either side of a broadside and fire like old galleons but alas, they are what they are.
The FACR is a good ship and kudos for you for flying it. But best number of Tactical Consoles, does not mean best ship. This is what Defiant junkies fail to understand.
If cruisers get higher damage outputs, Escorts should get more hit points and survivability to balance it out. And where it would put Science ships I don't even know.
Why can't people just leave what is working instead of trying to fix and break it?
I'm perfectly happy with the way Cruisers are, I'm trying to show guys that Cruisers can work, it just takes a little time and experimentation.
With your build, I would go with an Jem?hadar eng. (for better turn rate) with the maco def and shield or the borg def and shield.
And for those that not have an Tachyokinetic Coverter, I would go with 2x neutronium and one RCS or EPS.
Usually, cruiser captains that choose to focus on dps, doesn?t offer the same tanking capability that the tank centered offers.
Never said more tac consoles makes a better ship. More tac consoles just makes the ship deal more damage. And beams work just fine... provided you do a few specific things with them. But I can still take down escorts with her, and can make even other cruisers back off.
Thanks for your suggestion, I will definitely take it under advisement.
Since it has a similar BOFF & Console layout as the Dread i think i can post my latest Build here. It is inspired by several PvP builds which i have optimized to my playstyle.
USS Explorer V
Weapons Fore: 3x Disruptor Cannons MK XII [acc]x2 [dam]; Romulan Hyper Plasma Torpedo Launcher
Weapons Aft: 3x Disruptor Turret MK XI [acc]x2; Experimental Romulan Plasma Beam Array
Deflector: OMEGA MK XII
Engines: Adapted MACO
Shield: Adapted MACO
Consoles:
Engineering: Zero-Point energy conduit, Borg Assimilated Module, Neutronium and Monotanium Alloy.
Science: Romulan Flow Cap MK X [plasma]
Tactical: Disruptor Induction Coil
BOFF Layout:
Tactical Lt: Torpedo Spread I, Cannon Rapid Fire I
Tactical Ensign: Tactical Team
Engineering Cmdr: EmPtA 1, AtB 1, DEM, EWP II
Engineering Lt. Cmdr: Et 1, AtB 1, EmptS 3
Science Lt: TSS, Hazard 2
DOFFs: 3x Technican, 2x shield distribution
The combination of Disruptors and the Plasma proc the Romulan Science consoles generate + the Plasma proc the Romulan torpedo does, works better than i thought. As i said this isn't a PvP build and it is far from being inished. I am going to switch to advanced Fleet weapons and i hope i can get my hands on a DEM DOFF.
I see what you are trying to do and I applaud it. I'm not a big lover of other weapon types rather then Phaser. I think that Federation ships should get power drain reduced when using any type of Phaser because its the main weapon used by the Federation, the same being for Klingons and Disruptors.
Plus I find Phasers to be much more entertaining as well as increasing the power of my Phaser Lance. I had fun yesturday, vs the KDF... They decided to bum-rush us at the start but I was cloaked... I spun round... decloaked and Phaser Lance Crit on a unsuspecting BOP Captain, it critted for 30,000k and took out his shield subsystem. He lasted about 5 seconds...
I then cloaked again and waited for the same BoP to come back and did exactly the same thing again.
Fear my CRIMSON BLAZE!
Plus, being the flagship of my Fleet, my friends and I always giggle when I say over Teamspeak... "I'ma firing mah Lazar! BAHHHH!" I think a lot of people have got so caught up with what's the "best" in this game, some of them have forgotten to loosen up and have fun.
Of course if i would fly a Galaxy -X i would use Phasers, but personally i find phasers in STO the least useful weapons. But as you said if Starfleet ships would get a slight damage boost, maybe something like an additional +[dam] modifier, i am sure many players would change to phasers.
If i it where for me, i would give phasers instead of its "knock out one random system, except shields" effect just an increased [crth] modifier, similar to Antiproton weapons. I think this would greatly enhance phasers usefulness and popularity IMO.
quite fun to play. If you take the time, you can outfit any of the ships. Assuming of course
that the build suits your play style.
Ah, the age old question... cannons or beams, hehe... either.
Ive recently gone back to using cruisers for most of my 7 toons. And its a revelation. I love the more laid back style of play. Ive been slowly building them up from scratch.
Engineer toon (signature vulcan): Mirror Assault cruiser, phased polaron beams XII and Romulan torps. Jem XII set.
Tac1 Saurian: Galaxy X Dread. XII phaser beams, fleet shields. def/ engines.
Tac 2 Alien: 2nd Anniversary Oddy, antoproton build. Maco set.
I'm working on a Jem Dread I've got 600 lobi, decision will be which one will In give it to. I have a Catian Engineer with no decent cruisers and close to completing Rom and Omega reps.
I do feel that Cruisers should have more firepower. heck Beams could be increased in power by a third easily. That would give cruisers the extra punch while allowing escorts to still be top pew pew. However cruiser captains can still make awesome battle wagons if they know how to build them right.
I find it annoying that cruisers (which are the primary mainstay starship in the whole of Star Trek) are frowned upon (it seems) by the game makers infavour of the pew pew look at me look at mee pew escorts. Make cruisers more attractive and you will sell more of them.
One final thing. I pugged a KAS the other day in my Signature Vulcan and my Mirror Assault cruiser. I was in a team with all cruisers. We thought we were asking for trouble. Wrong we completed KAS pug with mins to spare and all waked away with nice rewards. One of the best matches i had. We can do anything escorts can, just takes a little longer. Thats all.
If the Fleet Ambassador is this BA then the Fleet Galaxy X better be twice as BA or more. I wouldn't mind if they made it a fleet tier 5 ship. I wish they would redo the the Fleet Galaxy because they still left it with weak tac setup. How can they justify the Galaxy being weaker than the Ambassador?
Oh, yeah, I forgot to tell you, I am a Tac Captain.
TBH it seems the cloak won it. Do you think you'd have been able to use the one-hit lance and the DHCs without it? Having to rely on decloaking with a one-hitter, doesnt seem like a good balance.
If its good enough for the BoP's and JHAS's that do one hit wonders... its good enough for us Cruiser people.
It's bad when they do it too,
Not a critique just an observation, decloaking with alpha doesnt mean the ship is good, it means its bad
I know, unfortunately, due to the OP of Escorts lately, we need ever advantage we can get.
Assaulting a unexpecting target, without giving it a chance to fight back is hardly a indicator of a ships strenght in combat.
Maybe in sTOs PvP it's the only way to get a kill, i don't care very much. But it would explain why PvP in STO is not very popular.
I'm not criticising here other peoples playstyle, i just say why i don't like PvP.
For me Alpha striking is like stabbing an unarmed opponent in the back, most of the time several people at once, and as soon as the victim is dead you praise how good you are. lol.
Maybe some people who come from other MMOs have grown accustomed to something like that, but for me it's just dirty and not really funny for both sides.
I just don't really get why some people always claim the Galaxy -X would be a great alpha strike ship. It's got cloak and DHCs, granted.
But it's lance is a joke, much too imprecise and not reliable at all.
The developers decision to give the Galaxy -X DHCs while giving it just a Lt+Ensing tactical BOFF seems like a evil/twisted joke.
In my opinon, one never can generate even nearly enough Burst damage as a Escort with a Cmdr and a Lt. Cmdr Tactical, but that's just my personal opinion.
If i where a Galaxy -X fan i would insist the devs to give it at least a Lt. Cmdr tactical station, even the Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit for example has better tactical stations.
Check out this video here, myself in a Gal-X with beams and my fleet mate in a Gal-x with single cannons/turrets
As much as I want a Lt. Cmd. tac BOFF seat, you can get away with the current layout. I managed to run 2 versions of DEM to penetrate shields more with phaser weapons before S6. Now that I have Romulan Plasma beams, I might give it a try again.
What do you do afterwards? Your low maneuverability and the lack of tac skills that support cannons on the dread make you pretty much useless after your alpha. Unless you can run away cloak and repeat (after a 3 minute wait I also have to add) you've got nothing. I'm not that impressed with the fact that you can alpha strike someone with the dreadnought. That's been done... the impressive thing is if you can do anything after that.
i cant help but take that as a bit of a compliment, although doubtless it was not intended as such :cool:
i'm not down with the whole cruiser pilots vs escort pilots thing though. i love cruisers. i always play the single player story missions in cruisers.
i just feel better in an escort..they make me feel all warm inside, you know? all fuzzy like. happy to be alive..