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Yes it's true: this ship has no windows

misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
edited February 2013 in Klingon Discussion
Hello,

I may be a bit slow on this matter, but I just realized that the Norgh Bird of Prey has no windows.
It was never an issue before for me until today when I bought the Fleet Norgh and wanted to see the different window options on this thing.
Bummer, there's literally nothing there to select.

Anyone else feel this is an oversight?

*EDIT:
Or is this some kind of bug, because there's at least one image I can find where the ship does have windows.

http://admin.stoacademy.com/datacore/images/ships/norgh.png
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  • twamtwam Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    "- Put it on the viewscreen.
    + What?
    - Anything, I'm flying blind here!"

    Agreed, bit of an oversight.
  • chalpenchalpen Member Posts: 2,207 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Windows for a raider? How pass?.
    With all the technology you want to rely on a window?
    To look at blackness?
    If there is anything to look at that isnt the blackness of space you should be at your station
    Should I start posting again after all this time?
  • starsvoidstarsvoid Member Posts: 161 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I'm not sure I understand the problem.

    At least, none of my KDF officers suffer from S.A.D. They're much too happy to blow things to hell. Do yours?
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    chalpen wrote: »
    Windows for a raider? How pass?.
    With all the technology you want to rely on a window?
    To look at blackness?
    If there is anything to look at that isnt the blackness of space you should be at your station

    I don't rely on a window, but...and this may come as a shock for you...Klingon ships have windows.
    All of them, including every Bird of Prey.
    It gives the ship a sense of scale, it makes it feel more real.

    You don't want that? Fine.
  • ironmakoironmako Member Posts: 770 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    The Norgh? I think i would have gone for the Hoh'sus if i was going to spend 200K fleet creds.
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    ironmako wrote: »
    The Norgh? I think i would have gone for the Hoh'sus if i was going to spend 200K fleet creds.

    Good luck trying to buy a Fleet Norgh with Fleet Credits alone.:)

    Joking aside: it costs 20,000 Fleet credits and 4 Fleet Ship Modules.
    You can't buy it for Fleet Credits.
    The good news is it's relatively easy to buy Fleet Ship Modules on the exchange (about 5.5 mill each) so I didn't spend any ZEN for it.

    In addition to the Hoh'Sus, there also exists a Fleet version of the Hoh'Sus (confusing, but there are two different versions) of that ship as well.
    It has a 10th console and some more hull points and shields.

    Given that the shield and hull points of the Norgh were recently buffed to decent levels, the Fleet Norgh provides a very useful BO layout for me.
    And I just love the looks of this one.
  • gstamo01gstamo01 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    We put windows on our raider so that our crew on any level of the ship can witness the glory their Captain has brought them as they destroy a Federation Starship.
    You know Cryptic has Jumped the Proverbial Shark when they introduced Tractor Pulling to Star Trek Online! :D
  • chalpenchalpen Member Posts: 2,207 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    gstamo01 wrote: »
    We put windows on our raider so that our crew on any level of the ship can witness the glory their Captain has brought them as they destroy a Federation Starship.

    But take away the windows (because you arent going to be running to it each time one of those flying andorian coffins) and just have your sensors record it so that you can play it back on your DVD player over and over again.
    Should I start posting again after all this time?
  • stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Nobody goes for the "windows are a structural weakness" line?
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    chalpen wrote: »
    But take away the windows (because you arent going to be running to it each time one of those flying andorian coffins) and just have your sensors record it so that you can play it back on your DVD player over and over again.

    Lemme guess, you don't go to a zoo but instead send someone with a camera to take a vid for you.;)
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Being the fragile ship its is the Norgh is designed his way for Zen PvP.

    Use your instincts and "feel" where the target is.
    Or it was designed by the Hele'n K'ellR academy of combat? :-P
    Leonard Nimoy, Spock.....:(

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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    Lemme guess, you don't go to a zoo but instead send someone with a camera to take a vid for you.;)

    After the Chimpanzee meets Frog Christmas cards of 09 fiasco, Im no longer allowed to rake a camera to the zoo........
    Leonard Nimoy, Spock.....:(

    R.I.P
  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    The fleet Norgh is no fragile as of last week's patch. Well, not for a BoP, anyway.

    It has 0.88 shield modifier as any fleet BoP (+10% over normal BoPs).

    It has 750 more hull than the Hegh'ta.

    And the bonus here, it's got 1 Comm and 2 (TWO) more Lt. Comm uni slots. The only downside is it keeps the non-fleet 9 console slots. But that makes it at least as good or better in all ways than a hegh'ta.
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    Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
    Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.

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  • chalpenchalpen Member Posts: 2,207 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    Lemme guess, you don't go to a zoo but instead send someone with a camera to take a vid for you.;)

    If I am to be chased by dozens of different shaped grey ducks, makes more sense to.
    Should I start posting again after all this time?
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    chalpen wrote: »
    If I am to be chased by dozens of different shaped grey ducks, makes more sense to.

    Ah, I see...you've me my duckies of doom...doooommm...yes I'll take over the world with my mighty duckies of doom.:P


    Well, I've never met ducks that chased me anywhere.
    I've seen some pretty angry swans hunting dogs, but never ducks.
  • age03age03 Member Posts: 1,664 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I ask are you referring to the view screen as most all small Kdf ships don't have them open maybe it is used for tacical.
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    age03 wrote: »
    I ask are you referring to the view screen as most all small Kdf ships don't have them open maybe it is used for tacical.

    I'm sorry but I'm not sure what you mean with this.
    Could you please elaborate?
  • djwashudjwashu Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    stirling191 wrote: »
    Nobody goes for the "windows are a structural weakness" line?

    Why? It's not like they use glass. http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Transparent_aluminum
  • notapwefannotapwefan Member Posts: 1,138 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    We don't need windows. Our imagination can draw the whole picture just by listening to explosions and sound of their cracking hulls.
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    notapwefan wrote: »
    We don't need windows. Our imagination can draw the whole picture just by listening to explosions and sound of their cracking hulls.

    You do that, once you figure out how to hear sound in a vacuum.;)
  • dma1986dma1986 Member Posts: 541 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    I'm sorry but I'm not sure what you mean with this.
    Yeah, you'll get that a lot from Age's posts :P
  • djwashudjwashu Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    You do that, once you figure out how to hear sound in a vacuum.;)

    This is why I always disable sound effects in space combat games. Homeworld, Freelancer, STO, whatever. I love the atmosphere it gives.
  • twg042370twg042370 Member Posts: 2,312 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    They need windows. The Klingons aren't going to moon a wall after all.
    <3
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    djwashu wrote: »
    This is why I always disable sound effects in space combat games. Homeworld, Freelancer, STO, whatever. I love the atmosphere it gives.

    Atmosphere...vacuum...I'm sure there's potential for a wordplay in there somewhere.:)
  • corbinwolf#9797 corbinwolf
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         Member Posts: 565 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Um, wouldn't a ship's hull actually be stronger without windows? Seriously, think about it...

    Given the level of technology in the STO universe its plausible that windows themselves could be holographic images (i.e. your personal quarters could have a window looking out at your family farm, Eiffle Tower, etc...)... Than your whole ship could have reinforced Neutronium Armour throughout without the weak points associated with windows.

    Dunno, just a thought.
    "The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a very mean and nasty place and I don't care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't about how hard ya hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward." - Rocky Balboa (2006)
  • dma1986dma1986 Member Posts: 541 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    You do that, once you figure out how to hear sound in a vacuum.;)

    Sound travels in space in Trek (sometimes).

    The Voyage Home film had a probe in space that was listening for the sound that whales made. Whales that were on Earth, while the probe was in space.
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    dma1986 wrote: »
    Sound travels in space in Trek (sometimes).

    The Voyage Home film had a probe in space that was listening for the sound that whales made. Whales that were on Earth, while the probe was in space.

    Yes, and it was also originally intended for that conversation to get subtitles (I am not kidding).
    However that does not mean there's actually sound in space, just that the authors were cought up in a whale-craze that was typical of the 1980's.:)

    We didn't a good look how cloase the probe was so it might have been close enough to the atmosphere.
    Also, there's a novel-sequel to the 4th movie that explains the whale probe used a special tractor-based system to create the effects from the movie.
    So in theory it could have used the feedback from the atmosphere to receive the whale song via the tractor beam/pulse thing.
    Doesn't mean sound travels through vacuum.;)
  • mondoidmondoid Member Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Actual Klingon ships do have windows but they're small and compact like airplane windows. They wouldn't be as visible like the fed ships windows because Klingons prefer low light conditions in their ships. I have the b'rel BoP manual, licensed by CBS so it's considered canon.
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    mondoid wrote: »
    Actual Klingon ships do have windows but they're small and compact like airplane windows. They wouldn't be as visible like the fed ships windows because Klingons prefer low light conditions in their ships. I have the b'rel BoP manual, licensed by CBS so it's considered canon.

    They're actually quite visible on most Klingon ships.:)

    http://gndn.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/k6.jpg

    http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/b/b4/Kronos_One.jpg

    http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2009/06/15/klingon-d5-class-tanker/

    http://www.ditl.org/gpns/GNeghKaboom2.jpg

    But yes, they're not particularly large.

    Oh, I also have the Hayne's Owner's Workshop Manual, it's a great read.
  • ericsonxxericsonxx Member Posts: 253 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    "Yes it's true your honor, this man has no ----."

    Sorry, thats the line I thought of upon seeing thread title.
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