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elandarksky
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Just curious if anyone knows when/what the next c-store yes CSTORE 
, ship will be?
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Also it would be totally not understandable to start up a Romulan faction if you can't even properly develop the Klingon one. Klingons have always been more popular than Romulans anyways...
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We are also craving that
But it would be nice to have an update to the c-store
last kdf ship we got was the bortas. yeah.. that far back x.x
So the Kamarag and its variant the K'maj dont count?:rolleyes: hmmm makes one wonder
i mean C-store
Those are all copy/paste versions of the federation ships.
The only ship the KDF has received in years was the Hohsus bird of prey.
and if memory serves that's the ship that pops off the bortas? Even our latest ship stems from the bortas... all those months ago
Garbage Scow is already taken so we cant have that one ^.^
https://ssl-sto.s3.amazonaws.com/store/fed_fca_type1_02.jpg
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I can't help but feel that because of the limited amount of new KDF content, they might be able to make a decent chunk of change releasing an adequately flexible KDF ship bundle.
If they're need a crazy, but interesting idea, though, I'd be happy to supply one...
... though it's a fairly crazy idea based around stabbing the Second Khitomer Accords in the face...
-- Winston Churchill
Klingon StarShip Design differs especially in one area from the design strategy the Federation uses. The Federation designs a totally new class for each (little) advancement and thus each new ship has its own teething troubles.
Klingons upgrade their ships step by step - replacing only the new designed machines and parts and keeping the trusted reliable rest. A better warp core? Okay, then the new core is fitted into the proven ship. Why discard the tested and trusted - only because it has served some years faithfully? Because of this philosophy there are "only" a few classes of Klingon starships
Except this also flies in the face of this exchange from "Sleeping Dogs":
REED: What language?
HOSHI: Klingon. (all draw their phase pistols) I thought you knew Klingon ships. Why didn't you recognise this one from the outside?
T'POL: There are many classes of ships. I'm not familiar with all of them.
REED: So I'm assuming you don't know how many Klingons are on board.
They don't just have a handful or so.
*EDIT: there's still not K'vort class battlecruiser in this game, which is a canon TNG-era ship, and not just in the "Yesterday's Enterprise" timeline.*
I agree, that's a big and justified impediment to adding more Klingon ships. But the Klingons aren't the only species who contribute vessels to the KDF. We presently have, from an end-game perspective, one Gorn ship, one Nausicaan ship, one Orion ship, and no Lethean ships.
There's nothing that says that those member species don't have any more tricks up their sleeves (where such clothing applies). Cryptic/PWE could easily add a Gorn stealth support ship, a Nausiccan glass-cannon attack ship, an Orion minefield specialist cruiser, or a Lethean infiltration frigate (just to throw off some examples off the top of my head) while still staying fairly true to those established KDF design philosophies.
EDIT: Okay, maybe not easily for some of those examples, but I think my basic point still stands...
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C-Store ship... probably not long after that countdown timer hits 0.
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I don't do forum stuff very often, so I hope I'm not "feeding the troll," or whatever the expression is.
I have not, myself, said there are "no new ships" or that it's been "years" since the KDF got any new ships. And, on this count, you are correct-- such a claim would be untrue. But here's the problem: what the KDF has gotten have been ships which are so obviously "let's take this Federation ship and make it all Klingon-y" that it can sometimes feel a little insulting.
We've gotten the Kamarang, which is exactly that-- an Ambassador that's been made Klingon-y. While it's not a total carbon copy of the Ambassador (it has less hull, better turn rate, can cloak, and can mount dual cannons), the ship is so obviously just a quick-and-dirty conversion that it was a little disappointing, really.
The same applies to the Bortasqu' line of battle cruisers, though they at least came up with a set of distinct consoles for it, making it feel like it was the last time that Cryptic/PWE put any sort of real effort into anything KDF-related.
Case in point here: the Korath- and Krenn-classes of timeships. The Korath is, statistically, 100% identical to the Wells-class temporal science vessel, while the Krenn is a blatant carbon-copy of the Mobius-class destroyer. Same consoles, same turn rate, same weapons options, etc.
So, between Bortasqu'-line variants, that's seven of nine, there (was the Bortasqu'/Oddessy late Season 6 or early Season 7-- I get easily mixed up on that sort of thing). I'm trying to figure out what your last two are. If you're talking the tier-3 Kamarang and the Rhozhenko time-shuttle, I'm going to be a little disappointed, since I'm talking end-game, and there's only two missions you can use a shuttle in anymore.
If you're talking cross-factional vessels, such as the Chel'grett, the Jem'hadar carriers, the Tuffli, etc., well... you're kinda' missing my point. Those are even more carbon-copy-ish than the super-blatant Korath- and Krenn-classes.
The KDF really doesn't get ships of its own. We get slightly-tweaked Federation left-overs, at best. And that's a pity. It tells KDF players that the developers really don't care about them.
I find that genuinely disheartening.
Thanks for letting me put out my little rant here. I probably wouldn't have gotten a chance to express myself this thoroughly without it.
And sorry if I accidentally called you troll, Tsurutafan.
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I dont mean to nit-pick but one could easily debate that the KDF designs came first, and they based the Fed versions off of Korath/Krenn ones..?
Considering at launch the Klingons were using Federation Transporter Effects and are still using Federation Tricorders, even on New Romulus Klingons are using Federation Medical equipment
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/3995/screenshot2012111418415.jpg
...there is overwhelming evidence stuff is copied in one direction only.
However, as far as I can tell, the Wells-class and the Aeon-type (the Federation time-ship and time-shuttle) are actually derrived from Star Trek cannon. I can find no indication of the Krenn or Korath having existed anywhere outside of Star Trek Online.
Well, to play nit-picking devil's advocate here, the Federation does get some KDF stuff. The Defiant retrofit and the Galaxy Dreadnought both have KDF-style cloaking devices (though both ships demonstrated that capability in their respective shows, so take that as you will), and the last two lockboxes have featured cross-factional consoles. I'd rather not get into a Nadion Pulse vs. Bio-Neural Warhead argument in this thread, mind you, but my point is that the copying does cut the other way from time to time. And that's not necessarily a problem, if it's done sparingly.
I wish to re-emphasise those last words, though: if it's done sparingly.
And therein lies the problem. At least, part of it.
(As for the tricorders and medical probe: come on, man-- Conservation of Props is practically a fundamental law of the Star Trek universe! :P)
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http://www.yourprops.com/movieprops/default/4d7ac10870446/Klingon-Tricorder.jpg
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I certainly hope you're right on that one!
Yes, this must have been the case, seeing how them both have cloaks and can mount DHC. :rolleyes:
But on another note guys, I know that it's not a C-Store ship, but the Kamarag/K'maj are really not a copy of the Ambassador/Yamaguchi. The only thing they have in common is the Boff layout, they have differences in hull, shields, ability to mount DHC, cloak and turn rate. Not to mention that the Ambassador was already existing canon design, while they made a new design so the can have the Kamarag/K'maj in game for the KDF. I can name quite a few dedicated KDF players that were asking for a sci-oriented Klingon design in game for some time now and wellcomed these with open hands.
I know, the disparity we have is terrible, but we need to give credit where credit is due and not disregard everything.
Y'know what, you're right. They're not exact copies of each other, and there are a lot of differences between the two, which I really didn't notice at first glance.
I still maintain that the design philosophy behind the Kamarag was "let's take the Ambassador-class and make it all Klingony," but Cryptic/PWE really did change a lot more around than I first noticed. Practically the only stats that are the same between them are their BOff layout, their console allocation, and their shield modifier.
And you are right, it does fill a much-needed role in the KDF, since not everyone is willing to wrestle with the Vo'quv's endearingly atrocious handling (or to fork over C-points for the almost-working Varanus support ship like I did) in order to get some science powers.
I was being a little over-critical of the Kamarag, and that wasn't fair to it, or to the Dev team.
That said, the Kamarag is still an example of borrowing from one faction to hand over to the other. But, looking over the stat differences a little closer this time, it may actually be one of the better examples of this being done right than of it being done lazily, as I had cited it earlier.
The over-use of copying and borrowing primed me for what I readily admit was an unfair reaction.
Since my Federation character's flying an Ambassador right now, I should probably dust off my Kamarag and see what it flies like. That should shut me up. : P
EDIT: Just flew a run of Empire Defense and a Borg Invasion encounter in a dead-simple Kamarag lay-out. It definitely flies much differently than the Ambassador-- the improved Turn Rate and much lower Inertia Rating makes it almost agile, while at the same time sliding all over the freaking place like it was wearing Frosted Boots. It's a very different ship to try to handle, so I'm now much more inclined to agree with you, Shpoks.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going back to my Varanus. .:|
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