The Liberated Borg on your crew...how much personality destruction?

gulberat · February 2013

Even on the show, it seemed we got two very different answers on the reversability of the personality destruction caused by Borg assimilation.

On one hand, you had people like Picard, Janeway, and Tuvok who, while psychologically very affected by what happened to them, were still essentially the same people. I mean, Picard understandably had PTSD as a result of his time as Locutus but he was still a human with a human's problems.

On the other, you have Seven of Nine and the show's claim that she even has a device that suppresses emotional affect...a claim which doesn't even square with prior canon involving a liberated Borg drone who presumably had no memories of any other life. Looking at how Hugh essentially had an adolescent outburst at Worf and Riker (and he was indeed an adolescent, so it's not a slam on him) when he encountered them in "Descent," you can't tell me he isn't a highly emotional being, Borg or not.

Personally I'm of the opinion that Seven of Nine's characterization (and then Icheb's and most of the other liberated Borg in Voyager) violated canon and the writers later tried to cover for their obvious continuity breach by inventing an implant that had clearly not existed in any other drone's case.

But how do you handle it with the characterization of your Borg BOFFs and your Liberated Borg captains? Do they always have the non-personality of Seven of Nine, or do they act more like humans or whatever species they originally were prior to assimilation? (Or if born into the Collective, do they act more like Hugh than Seven?)

raventomoe · February 2013

Well, let's look at the differences here.

Hugh and Seven were practically raised in the Collective and it was all they knew. No idea when Hugh was first assimilated but Seven was still like age 5-7 range and probably repressed the knowledge of her assimilation unconciously (effects of this seen in one of the Season 4 or 5 episodes of Voyager if I remember right).

As for Janeway, Picard, and Tuvok...they weren't in very long so were able to recovery quickly and were full adults when they were assimilated.

As for my own Borg BOff...I imagine her as a Liberated Borg with more curiousity about the world around her and as a Seven fangirl.

starkaos · February 2013

Considering that my main captain is a liberated borg that has known no other life than being a borg, having more borg makes it more comfortable for her. There is an immense amount of knowledge and technology that the Collective has as shown by Seven of Nine so any borg that is willing to become a productive member of society is welcome on board. Unfortunately, most borg don't want to leave or don't have the willpower to strive for something more.

csgtmyork · February 2013

Ok, first you must compare a couple things.

First off, Janeway, Picard, and Tuvok were only assimilated for a brief period of time. Seven and Hugh were raised in the collective. So I'd guesstimate that they spent 15+ years in the collective. It's all they would've known.

And you have to take into account that Hugh and Seven never really had a chance to mature emotionally or experience many/any emotions. Janeway, Picard, and Tuvok did.

gulberat · February 2013

The thing is, Hugh did experience a lot of emotions in comparison to Seven, and there's no evidence of any prior memories in him. If anything, Hugh's flaw in dealing with his emotions was to let them get the best of him until talked down from his anger and fear.

Yet Seven, who should've had more of a past to draw on, was emotionally dead and we're then told that there's some sort of emotion-suppressing implant, which if true would've kept Hugh from flying off the handle in "Descent" like he did. That's the canon contradiction.

sander233 · February 2013

Ordinary people access and respond to their emotions very differently. It makes some sense that Seven and Hugh would exhibit wildly different reactions to being assimilated and liberated, just like two people can have wildly different reactions to watching JJ's Star Trek.

Besides, I can recall a few incidents where Seven's emotions took over...

As for my Borg, most of them are like Hugh. They've been in the collective so long its all they know - now that they're liberated they are confused and a little scared, but curious and eager to please. They have also established friendships with their shipmates. Emotionally they are underdeveloped, and they often consider the safety of their friends before the rest of the ship.

trycksh0t · February 2013

gulberat wrote: »

The thing is, Hugh did experience a lot of emotions in comparison to Seven, and there's no evidence of any prior memories in him. If anything, Hugh's flaw in dealing with his emotions was to let them get the best of him until talked down from his anger and fear.

Yet Seven, who should've had more of a past to draw on, was emotionally dead and we're then told that there's some sort of emotion-suppressing implant, which if true would've kept Hugh from flying off the handle in "Descent" like he did. That's the canon contradiction.

Agreed, it could be read as something canon-breaking, but there's some details that need to be considered. Hugh was found in...2368 if memory serves. Hugh was also returned to the collective in the same year, with his emotions and individuality intact, which was directly responsible for the Collective losing an entire Cube. Seven was not liberated until 2374, 6 years after the events involving Hugh. I would say it is probably safe to assume that subsequent to the events involving Hugh's Cube, the Collective took steps to ensure that a similar occurrence would not happen, resulting in the implantation of emotion suppression units.

Also, while Hugh was a Drone within the Collective, Seven was slightly higher in the pecking order, it is not inconceivable that higher "ranking" members of the Collective were put together differently, especially those more closely associated with the Borg Queen.

centersolace · February 2013

trycksh0t wrote: »

Agreed, it could be read as something canon-breaking, but there's some details that need to be considered. Hugh was found in...2368 if memory serves. Hugh was also returned to the collective in the same year, with his emotions and individuality intact, which was directly responsible for the Collective losing an entire Cube. Seven was not liberated until 2374, 6 years after the events involving Hugh. I would say it is probably safe to assume that subsequent to the events involving Hugh's Cube, the Collective took steps to ensure that a similar occurrence would not happen, resulting in the implantation of emotion suppression units.

Also, while Hugh was a Drone within the Collective, Seven was slightly higher in the pecking order, it is not inconceivable that higher "ranking" members of the Collective were put together differently, especially those more closely associated with the Borg Queen.

Remember though, the Borg Queen herself violated canon. Originally the Borg were a pure hive mind, the ships, drones, and everything were completely decentralized. Thusly they had no "pecking order". The Borg Queen changed all that of course. :rolleyes:

gulberat · February 2013

That's possible...though for me it still doesn't sit right, given that the emotion-restraint device was slapped onto the VOY continuity very late, to explain what in fact was nothing more than a continuity screwup by the writers. :-/

Anyway...the Liberated Borg on my ship's crew is actually one of the junior Enterprise crew who was assimilated during First Contact. She wasn't in the Collective for more than a few days, so her human personality is intact. However, she was also one of the first ones the Collective began testing its more invasive surgical techniques on (the forerunner of what you see on the STO-style drones), which meant that not only did her implants not reject, but she would have died from any attempt to restore her to human biology.

So this creates a very different set of difficulties for her, compared to the "stereotypical" Liberated Borg: people expect a robot personality but she is in fact a mature human, psychologically. People often don't treat her that way, though, so she's quite shy except with a crew that knows her well, and knows what to expect.

djwashu · February 2013

Don't forget, the young Borg Voyager found had members prone to emotional outbursts as well. It is not at all unreasonable to believe that this is a process which takes a significant amount of time. Like a Vulcan preparing to undergo Kolinahr.

sollvax · February 2013

I get round this by simply not allowing Borg on the ship under any circumstances
indeed If one of my Crew were assimilated I would vapourise them as a kindness

artan42 · February 2013

I wouldn't let a drone or ex drone on board. It would get in the way of my holographic crew.

trycksh0t · February 2013

centersolace wrote: »

Remember though, the Borg Queen herself violated canon. Originally the Borg were a pure hive mind, the ships, drones, and everything were completely decentralized. Thusly they had no "pecking order". The Borg Queen changed all that of course. :rolleyes:

Point conceded, to an extent. The Borg structure was, to my knowledge, never thoroughly explored outside of Starfleet's interpretation of what it saw prior to Voyager's run-in with the Queen, meaning we were never given the whole story, so....yeah.

I love continuity gray areas, and I think Star Trek may hold the record for the most "Wait, WTF just happened?" and "Where did THAT come from?" reactions of any series in history. I have learned to just accept it and move on, because trying to figure it out so it all makes sense hurts my brain.

marcusdkane · February 2013

A quick point to clarify, is that there are no Borg born to the Collective. All drones are created via assimilation of people. Any 'baby Borg' seen, were simply assimilated babies which were in maturation chambers (possibly the mother was assimilated while pregnant and the unborn child was placed into a maturation chamber so as not to 'waste resources')

Other than that, I agree with your point. Seven and the Borg children did rather disrupt the canon from Hugh, and that is solely down to shoddy writing and Brannon Braga being given carte blanche...

As to the topic question, I have no liberated Borg in my crew. I quite understand Sollvax's position of not even allowing Borg on board, and immediately vaporizing any assimilated crew as a kindness, although I wouldn't go to such an extreme myself. Sure, I can imagine that there would be quite a few liberated Borg in Starfleet, given the amount of interactions with the Borg over the past 50 years (in universe), but as characters, they simply don't interest me to write about, and come across as too Tropey for my tastes, and nothing more than a sloppy excuse to have an 'angsty/troubled' or SuperSmart member of the crew, which can just as easily be achieved through other means...

Historically speaking, Marcus Kane went through the early stages of the assimilation process under lab conditions in 2366 to enable Starfleet Command to get a better understanding of the process, but he was never actually assimilated into the collective, and suffered no ill effects as a result of the process, other than anger toward himself that his scientific curiosity got people killed while he was under the influence of the nanoprobes. Not a story I've fully written yet, but maybe one day... Other than that, I have no plans for any liberated Borg as crew (unless a future LC dictates otherwise)

gulberat · February 2013

Yeah, Voyager's writing was just...meh.

The one liberated Borg I have is actually not on the crew I am writing stories about for the LC's. However, she is easily my oldest fanfic character, and even pre-dates the existence of Seven of Nine by a few years (wow...I just realized that means I've had that character for as long as you had Marcus!). Over the years, I've revised the events that took place, and her personality, as my maturity and writing skills have grown.

While she happened to be a first-year ensign on the Enterprise during First Contact, where she was assimilated, she wasn't anything "special"--just fortunate in her first assignment. I would've said she was a decent officer but not some kind of shining star. Having been in the Collective for only a few days, her human personality remained intact (though needless to say severely affected by the experience). Physically, however, none of the assimilation process could be reversed because she was one of the first that the Borg experimented with on more invasive assimilation techniques (the forerunner to what you see on STO). Unlike Voyager, though, I didn't come up with any of this extra BS like the idea that she was particularly close to the Queen or anything--no more so than a lab animal is to many scientists, or a person to someone like...well...we're on a Star Trek board, so let's say Crell Moset. She was an experiment with a number on it, as far as the Borg were concerned.

In the revised continuity I've come up with over time, while she was involved in stopping an immediate threat from the Borg that would've followed First Contact, she then took an extended leave of absence from Starfleet due to the severity of what had happened to her. She came back sometime after the end of the Dominion War and pretty much had to start her career over (because there was so little of it to begin with, before her assimilation). So by the time of STO, she's still only a commander.

I did not envision her as SuperSmart (LOL!) like the way Seven was. She does have memories from the Collective, and physical capabilities granted by her cybernetics, but even by the time of STO cannot reliably access them all the way Seven did (something I found hard to believe in Seven). If anything, things tend to be recalled when they are the most unwanted and intrusive, and cannot be recalled when it would be really good to have them. She can access more of her physical/cybernetic abilities by now, but still is either unaware of or subconsciously (or even consciously) repressing some of them.

Where there have been difficulties with ranking up in Starfleet, it's been more often due to people expecting a robot according to the stereotype of Liberated Borg and getting someone who is psychologically far more "normal" than expected--with normal emotions, social skills (albeit shy when away from her crew that knows her), and even the ability to correct junior officers on their improper behavior, when necessary.

(This history and psychological profile is also helpful in-game because it means there is much less in the way of inappropriate dialogue or demeanor that could be assigned to her by a Cryptic or Foundry mission, since she does experience the full range of emotions, has social skills, and can speak colloquially with no trouble.)

marcusdkane · February 2013

She sounds like a fantastic character, and it's always fun to pre-date a Trek character, isn't it

Marcus was originally intended to be a primarily Intelligence-based officer with the same level of engineering skill as Geordi, who would have spent most of his time getting assigned away from his command, to either run black ops, or get chained to a drawing board at the Advanced Starship Design Bureau and told to come up with something

In the DS-9 re-launch novels, they introduced the character of Elias Vaughn, who was pretty much everything I'd originally envisaged Marcus doing... I totally get where you're coming from with Seven and her abilities. If I recall, the Doctor said that he'd removed over 80% of the Borg hardware from her body, yet she still seemed to have whatever was required for each episode, and that wore pretty thin pretty fast... It sounds like you've handled your character's situation fantastically

Having not played the game, I'm not sure how much further the Borg have taken their assimilation technique, is it even more extreme than what was seen in the episodes where Janeway and co got temporarily assimilated?

gulberat · February 2013

marcusdkane wrote: »

She sounds like a fantastic character, and it's always fun to pre-date a Trek character, isn't it

Yeah, and it kind of added to my disappointment when Seven came along, and I felt like they had failed to follow the logic that (to me) seemed self-evident from "I, Borg" and "Descent."

I totally get where you're coming from with Seven and her abilities. If I recall, the Doctor said that he'd removed over 80% of the Borg hardware from her body, yet she still seemed to have whatever was required for each episode, and that wore pretty thin pretty fast...

Yeah...that's what really gave me a problem. I could understand the ocular implant still partially functioning since we know she has an artificial eye and part of the implant is still there--but much beyond that? I don't think so. And you'd especially think the assimilation tubules of all things would've been removed by the Doctor, top priority!

It sounds like you've handled your character's situation fantastically Having not played the game, I'm not sure how much further the Borg have taken their assimilation technique, is it even more extreme than what was seen in the episodes where Janeway and co got temporarily assimilated?

Yes, very much so. This YouTube video will give you an idea...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbYCBHdNAMU

My character looks more like a "standard" First Contact/VOY Borg, but on the inside a huge amount of damage, both physical and genetic, was done--to the point where there is simply no restoring her.

marcusdkane · February 2013

gulberat wrote: »

Yeah, and it kind of added to my disappointment when Seven came along, and I felt like they had failed to follow the logic that (to me) seemed self-evident from "I, Borg" and "Descent."

I can see why, as one would think that a disconnected drone would revert to their original personality. That said, Seven explained that while in the maturation chamber, her neural pathways were re-structured, so it would make sense that she would literally think in a different way than before, but on the flipside of that, one would think that Hugh's brain would have been similarly re-structured, unless, as someone pointed out above, the Collective developed the emotional dampening as a result of what was experienced in I, Borg, and Descent... Perhaps an assimilated Vulcan gave them the clues to technologically repress the emotions...

gulberat wrote: »

Yeah...that's what really gave me a problem. I could understand the ocular implant still partially functioning since we know she has an artificial eye and part of the implant is still there--but much beyond that? I don't think so. And you'd especially think the assimilation tubules of all things would've been removed by the Doctor, top priority!

Absolutely, made absolutely no sense for those to have been retained. Even though in Raven he said that removed implants had regenerated, it would still make sense that he would have simply started the extraction process again and removed anything unnecessary to her day to day survival...

gulberat wrote: »

Yes, very much so. This YouTube video will give you an idea...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbYCBHdNAMU

My character looks more like a "standard" First Contact/VOY Borg, but on the inside a huge amount of damage, both physical and genetic, was done--to the point where there is simply no restoring her.

Wow, that is extreme assimilation :eek: Although the other drones seem fairly standard to FC/VOY... I take it your character still appears fully assimilated?

sollvax · February 2013

For super smart crew members I have a couple of aliens (from the same race) who are part of that races "Thinker" caste.
(its a caste based species who function in many respects like Ants)
The Castes

Leader (makes long term plans and decisions)
Thinker (deals with all science and most technical tasks)
Preserver (remembers the races history)
Nurturer (Female caste raises the young and is Highly Revered)
Warrior (does the fighting)
Worker (does the Work)

Thinker caste make Vulcans look unfocused and sloppy
Preserver caste would get on really well with Data

Much better than the Borg
because they are people with personalities

marcusdkane · February 2013

sollvax wrote: »

For super smart crew members I have a couple of aliens (from the same race) who are part of that races "Thinker" caste.
(its a caste based species who function in many respects like Ants)
The Castes

Leader (makes long term plans and decisions)
Thinker (deals with all science and most technical tasks)
Preserver (remembers the races history)
Nurturer (Female caste raises the young and is Highly Revered)
Warrior (does the fighting)
Worker (does the Work)

Thinker caste make Vulcans look unfocused and sloppy
Preserver caste would get on really well with Data

Much better than the Borg
because they are people with personalities

I like the sound of this species, the caste system reminds me of the Minbari culture

Equally, for super smart, my favorites have got to be the mentats in the Duneverse :cool:

artan42 · February 2013

sollvax wrote: »

Leader (makes long term plans and decisions)
Thinker (deals with all science and most technical tasks)
Preserver (remembers the races history)
Nurturer (Female caste raises the young and is Highly Revered)
Warrior (does the fighting)
Worker (does the Work)

Sounds like the New Dalek Paradigm to me:D

sollvax · February 2013

Nah the Daleks have

"Supreme" (big head)

Scientist
strategist
Drone

besides the Daleks like the Borg are a very over used race

Also Daleks do not have a Nuturer caste or indeed any concept of nurture
I modeled the idea on Leaf cutter ants which are very interesting

bortjinx · February 2013

The Borg on my ship were basically inherited when Jinx got the ship, or rather, when the Nightingale was designed and built. The reason behind this was because given all the Borg tech being used in the Nightngale's construction, and the fact that it was designed to be an anti-Borg vessel, it made sense to have crewmen with previous experience in those systems, so along come One and Two.

When they were seperated from the Collective, it didn't entirely work, and while they could no longer hear the Collective, they were still linked with each other, which is why they chose their own designations of One of Two and Two of Two. During design and construction, the Nightingale's main computer was also integrated into their 'mini-Collective' to give them greater interaction with ship systems. Later, when the EMH was installed, this was also given an optional interlink with the ship's mini-Collective.

This is slightly fudging what I had earlier written as part of one of the LCs, but I've considered it more and decided this is how I would introduce my Borg to Jinx - as part of the team designing and creating Jinx's new flagship.

weylandjuarez · February 2013

My liberated Borg Klingon's bio:

Korath has few memories of his life on Qo'noS prior to his abduction and assimilation by the Borg. His link to The Collective was severed when a Federation M.A.C.O. team disabled the Borg sphere he was stationed on.

Korath and a few others were returned to Federation space where they received counseling so they could once more function as individuals.

Korath was grateful for his freedom but felt shame that somehow he'd allowed himself to be captured by the Borg and he wears an eyepatch to conceal the ocular implant the Federation doctors were unable to remove.

Eventually he returned to Qo'noS only to be treated as an outsider and something less than truly Klingon. When the Klingon Empire declared war against the Federation he enlisted in the KDF to prove to himself that he still had the heart of a warrior.

Time and again he's distinguished himself as a fearless soldier and a shrewd captain, but throughout the conflict he's been haunted by doubt - these enemies are the same people that saved him from the Borg - surely there's a bigger danger - a greater threat that's being overlooked?

squatsauce · February 2013

My captain's liberated Borg character was originally assimilated as young adult about fifty years ago. At this point he retains a distinctive personality and a dry, sardonic wit, but can no longer tell which memories are his and which belonged to other drones in the collective. He's adopted the name Twelve of, Like, A Bajillion and has a special borg implant that injects espresso directly into his bloodstream.

gulberat · February 2013

marcusdkane wrote: »

I can see why, as one would think that a disconnected drone would revert to their original personality. That said, Seven explained that while in the maturation chamber, her neural pathways were re-structured, so it would make sense that she would literally think in a different way than before, but on the flipside of that, one would think that Hugh's brain would have been similarly re-structured, unless, as someone pointed out above, the Collective developed the emotional dampening as a result of what was experienced in I, Borg, and Descent... Perhaps an assimilated Vulcan gave them the clues to technologically repress the emotions...

Maybe--although you also see on Voyager that when those other drones who were on a crashed scout ship with Seven got free, their emotions and personalities reasserted themselves quite strongly, something that wouldn't have happened to that extent with emotion-dampening equipment installed...even with individuals who were assimilated as mature adults.

So I think the real explanation is inconsistency on the part of the VOY writers.

Absolutely, made absolutely no sense for those to have been retained. Even though in Raven he said that removed implants had regenerated, it would still make sense that he would have simply started the extraction process again and removed anything unnecessary to her day to day survival...

Yeah. You could make an argument that by that point Seven was allowed to make decisions about her own medical condition--but could her judgment be trusted as the implants regrew? That would be like asking someone with any medical condition IRL that severely affected their awareness and judgment to make such decisions alone.

(That and if that explanation were really reasonable, we would expect to see the evidence in physical changes, too.)

Wow, that is extreme assimilation :eek:

Yeah, no kidding. :eek:

Although the other drones seem fairly standard to FC/VOY... I take it your character still appears fully assimilated?

Yes, she does (in the FC/VOY style). That said, over the years she has taken a few steps to try to incorporate some "humanity" into her appearance.

I found, through a stroke of luck, that the belt that comes with the long black winter coat you could get during the Winter Wonderland event actually works on Liberated Borg BOFFs still in the "cybernetic suit." All of my crew on that ship wear that belt, and she found she could too. (The game doesn't allow you, however, to give the Liberated Borg BOFF a commbadge, though I always assume one is there.)

The BOFF comes in the C-Store default with what I assume to be a silver/white wig. This is something my character adopted over time. I was even able to put a bit of makeup on her (in-story, I always figured that once she got up sufficient courage to ask this, she consulted a Cardassian given the similarities in color schemes to work with).

And although the game won't allow the option, I have also always pictured her wearing a small necklace--a liberty the captain allows her since she has so few other ways to show herself as an individual personality rather than a drone.

weylandjuarez wrote: »

Korath was grateful for his freedom but felt shame that somehow he'd allowed himself to be captured by the Borg and he wears an eyepatch to conceal the ocular implant the Federation doctors were unable to remove.

I can imagine with that "never be captured" belief the Klingons have, that would be really rough on him.

Eventually he returned to Qo'noS only to be treated as an outsider and something less than truly Klingon. When the Klingon Empire declared war against the Federation he enlisted in the KDF to prove to himself that he still had the heart of a warrior.

I wonder how that went over with his fellow officers?

Time and again he's distinguished himself as a fearless soldier and a shrewd captain, but throughout the conflict he's been haunted by doubt - these enemies are the same people that saved him from the Borg - surely there's a bigger danger - a greater threat that's being overlooked?

I like that you've made him unsettled with the war. Those are the kinds of conflicted motivations you'd expect under the circumstance, but that the game itself doesn't always acknowledge.

marcusdkane · February 2013

gulberat wrote: »

Maybe--although you also see on Voyager that when those other drones who were on a crashed scout ship with Seven got free, their emotions and personalities reasserted themselves quite strongly, something that wouldn't have happened to that extent with emotion-dampening equipment installed...even with individuals who were assimilated as mature adults.

So I think the real explanation is inconsistency on the part of the VOY writers.

It would make sense that those people assimilated as adults, would have a personality to reassert itself once the connection to the collective was severed, where Seven's personality would have been less develloped (and perhaps the neural restructuring only occurs while in a maturation chamber) but I do agree, I think sloppy writing is the only true answer

gulberat wrote: »

Yeah. You could make an argument that by that point Seven was allowed to make decisions about her own medical condition--but could her judgment be trusted as the implants regrew? That would be like asking someone with any medical condition IRL that severely affected their awareness and judgment to make such decisions alone.

(That and if that explanation were really reasonable, we would expect to see the evidence in physical changes, too.)

Yeah, it's definitely a grey area as to if she had the right to decide at that point, or if Janeway was still able to make the decisions for her... But it would have made sense for the Doctor to have continued the extraction process of any non-essential implants...

gulberat wrote: »

Yes, she does (in the FC/VOY style). That said, over the years she has taken a few steps to try to incorporate some "humanity" into her appearance.

I found, through a stroke of luck, that the belt that comes with the long black winter coat you could get during the Winter Wonderland event actually works on Liberated Borg BOFFs still in the "cybernetic suit." All of my crew on that ship wear that belt, and she found she could too. (The game doesn't allow you, however, to give the Liberated Borg BOFF a commbadge, though I always assume one is there.)

The BOFF comes in the C-Store default with what I assume to be a silver/white wig. This is something my character adopted over time. I was even able to put a bit of makeup on her (in-story, I always figured that once she got up sufficient courage to ask this, she consulted a Cardassian given the similarities in color schemes to work with).

And although the game won't allow the option, I have also always pictured her wearing a small necklace--a liberty the captain allows her since she has so few other ways to show herself as an individual personality rather than a drone.

She definitely sounds like a well thought out character, and the little touches like the necklace really flash her out well

Does she use her Human name rather than a Borg designation?

gulberat · February 2013

marcusdkane wrote: »

She definitely sounds like a well thought out character, and the little touches like the necklace really flash her out well

Thanks.

Does she use her Human name rather than a Borg designation?

She does. (In-game, I have noticed that the number of Liberated Borg BOFFs and captains that have human names is surprisingly low. It's almost unheard of, it seems, with the ones whose appearances are SO obviously Borg.)

I think that if anyone used her Borg designation...well, she would restrain herself physically because she knows that she can kill a fully organic being with terrible ease--but the tirade it would provoke would probably still scare most people into needing a change of clothing simply because of the fear of what could happen.

I think that hasn't happened, though, because so few even know that designation in the first place. Believe me, she went to great lengths to bury it in her records to where only those who have an absolute need to know would know.

marcusdkane · February 2013

gulberat wrote: »

Thanks.

She does. (In-game, I have noticed that the number of Liberated Borg BOFFs and captains that have human names is surprisingly low. It's almost unheard of, it seems, with the ones whose appearances are SO obviously Borg.)

I think that if anyone used her Borg designation...well, she would restrain herself physically because she knows that she can kill a fully organic being with terrible ease--but the tirade it would provoke would probably still scare most people into needing a change of clothing simply because of the fear of what could happen.

I think that hasn't happened, though, because so few even know that designation in the first place. Believe me, she went to great lengths to bury it in her records to where only those who have an absolute need to know would know.

That's understandable

I think to be assimilated would be a terrible violation, but to then be locked into that form, I don't think it would be long before I put a phaser to my head...

gulberat · February 2013

I am sure she got close to that more than once. I think that without the help of her family, and a few supportive individuals in Starfleet, it's quite possible she would have done so. I am sure the years of her leave of absence were very touch-and-go at times.

marcusdkane · February 2013

gulberat wrote: »

I am sure she got close to that more than once. I think that without the help of her family, and a few supportive individuals in Starfleet, it's quite possible she would have done so. I am sure the years of her leave of absence were very touch-and-go at times.

Thinking about it, given the regenerative properties that nanoprobes give the individual (

) would probably make suicide an impossibility... She definitely sounds like a nicely rounded character, I hope she'll find her way into a future LC at some point

The Liberated Borg on your crew...how much personality destruction?

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