Klingon Escorts

vexashen · February 2013

Im kind of curious here. The feds have access to two escorts already with 5 tac consoles out of the fleet system. With the andorian ship they might have a 3rd. The klingons... have none. not one. The only 5 tac console ship they have access to is the bortasqu.

Being the warlike faction this makes no sense in anyway that the feds now have far more tactical potential than the klingons.

tom61sto · February 2013

In Season 6, my guess is that with the KHG set buffing all torp damage 25%, it was a bit too much to have a 5 Tac console KDF ship. Now in Season 7, when the Feds can get Adapted MACO --which is the same as KHG-- I don't see any reason.

apostolis78 · February 2013

Agreed, give the klingons some love!!!

shpoks · February 2013

Don't you get it? In Cryptic's and your average Feddie.'s eyes the Federation is a replica of the Roman Empire and the KDF are the barbaric tribes.

ussultimatum · February 2013

tom61sto wrote: »

In Season 6, my guess is that with the KHG set buffing all torp damage 25%, it was a bit too much to have a 5 Tac console KDF ship. Now in Season 7, when the Feds can get Adapted MACO --which is the same as KHG-- I don't see any reason.

So by that logic can we assume you are ok with feds getting leech?

Seeing as the MACO shield is now KDF side.

vexashen · February 2013

there is no reason at all the feds dont have the leech at this point

corbinwolf · February 2013

I assume that with the introduction of the Andorian ship that a Klingon variant with five tact consoles will also be introduced?

shpoks · February 2013

bugspatteredjack wrote: »

I assume that with the introduction of the Andorian ship that a Klingon variant with five tact consoles will also be introduced?

Yeah, right. :rolleyes: In the 25th century maybe :P

If they actually announce a KDF 3-pack counterpart, or even new KDF ship raptor with 5 tac. consoles in the "Friday screenshot" I'd be so suprised that I'll go out and dance on my head.

dalnar83 · February 2013

Feds happen to have better escorts, klingons happen to have better cruisers. I guess, we can both agree that both sides of the coin should be equal and improved for both factions.

oldkhemaraa · February 2013

shpoks wrote: »

Don't you get it? In Cryptic's and your average Feddie.'s eyes the Federation is a replica of the Roman Empire and the KDF are the barbaric tribes.

Umm, just a bit of historical fact... Rome fell to the barbarioan hordes..as a matter of historical fact, a number of the later emporers wern't romans at all. quite a number of Goths held the purple if I recall correctly.

shpoks · February 2013

oldkhemaraa wrote: »

Umm, just a bit of historical fact... Rome fell to the barbarioan hordes..as a matter of historical fact, a number of the later emporers wern't romans at all. quite a number of Goths held the purple if I recall correctly.

lol

I know, I'm an archaeologist by vocation actually.
I was attempting to make funny parallel between how the Romans observed themselves as the apex of civilization, culture, knowledge etc. and then behave in most barbaric manner when they saw fit - with the Federation we have in STO that prides itself on moral & ethic, but uses bio-neural warheads, ignores Undine inflitrations etc.

And yes, I had another parallel there. Rome fell to the barbarians. So will the Federation to KDF, it's just a matter of time.

I'm KDF player after all.

The point was Cryptic seems to think of the things in similar manner - The Federation is the most advanced superpower and they give them new technology and toys all the time, even if those sometimes don't fit with their doctrine or the Federation's image of itself.
And treats KDF like the barbarians who are suposed to exit airlock with a hammer and throw it at the new Federation toys that had not been countered by the KDF.

misterde3 · February 2013

bugspatteredjack wrote: »

I assume that with the introduction of the Andorian ship that a Klingon variant with five tact consoles will also be introduced?

The reason they don't put the Andorian ship in a lockbox is that they would have had to make a Klingon counterpart for it then.
So my guess is 'no'.

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shpoks · February 2013

patrickngo wrote: »

Anyone want to bet this will be another Vesta style single-faction-only release? (if there WERE a Klink version, it'd be propped up there on the same blog page-look at the history!)

I'd bet on that! And if I'm wrong I'll be glad to pay up on the bet.

But this smells of single faction release since the day it was announced. I'd be quite surprised if Cryptic proves me wrong on this one, but sadly I think that I'm right.

vexashen · February 2013

I assume when the fleet siege destroyer comes out it will have 5 tac consoles. but in siege mode its turn rate is pathetic at best. All I really want is a decent raptor with a 5th console to put us on par with the defiant.

The admiral level raptor we get is a clone of the defiant other than some slight tweaks in stats... the fleet version is a joke compared to the defiant however and the turn rate is much lower due to the pivot point.

age03 · February 2013

tom61sto wrote: »

In Season 6, my guess is that with the KHG set buffing all torp damage 25%, it was a bit too much to have a 5 Tac console KDF ship. Now in Season 7, when the Feds can get Adapted MACO --which is the same as KHG-- I don't see any reason.

Didn't the KDF have access to Omega as that is what I use?

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bloctoad · February 2013

patrickngo wrote: »

What he was referencing, was that pre-S7, Maco and KHG were faction-specific, while Omega was accessable to both factions (Faction Neutral).

the KHG set powers were, at that time, exclusive to KDF characters, while the MACO set's set bonuses were accessable ONLY to Federation characters.

The theory that the KHG set bonus was sufficient reason to block KDF from (Useful) 5 console ships is, sad to say, utter bunk-the Bortasque is a five-console ship in it's Tactical format.

Of course, said Tac'Bort is...only useful to a micro-percentage of players (those that favour slow-moving cruisers with poor turn rates).

As is the excuse regarding cloak-for five seconds, a 4-console KDF ship can ALMOST match the firepower of a Federation 5 console ship-the DPS said fedship runs ALL THE TIME, without the risks of either running in cloak, or the vulnerable state you're in during the transition from cloaked-to-decloaked.

this excuse is, likewise, utter garbage of the worst apologist sort. The simple fact being, that the Fed 5-console ships are there to counter KDF's Players, whom have traditionally had to learn how to do things with their ships that Fed players never bother with, and whom have had to LEARN their ships instead of just flopping down to whack on the spacebar a lot.

Much like the fifth tactical slot, the same reasoning was used for the cloaking device and universal Boff stations. Both are now available on number of other ships which sacrifice nothing in return.

sander233 · February 2013

dalnar83 wrote: »

Feds happen to have better escorts, klingons happen to have better cruisers. I guess, we can both agree that both sides of the coin should be equal and improved for both factions.

I for one am perfectly happy with the situation as-is. It feels canonically correct to have the Defiant as the top dog in escort land, while KDF battlecruisers have a major firepower advantage over Fed cruisers.

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sander233 · February 2013

patrickngo wrote: »

um, minor quibble, but in every scene where we saw both, the Bird of Prey (yes, that humble little ship) was shown as the equal of the Defiant

Okay, but BoPs are not escorts. And the Uni Boff layout, battle cloak, and in case of the B'rel Retro ability to fire when cloaked gives them a leg up on Fed escorts, even the Defiant.

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sander233 · February 2013

patrickngo wrote: »

\Gimmicks do not balance capabilities, and 3 tac consoles with 1 less weapons-mount is outdone by 5 tac consoles, 1 extra weapon, higher impulse modifier, shields, and hull on a ship with a decent turn-rate (I still out-turn it-but just barely.)

On a "normal" BoP, (Hegh'ta, Fleet Norgh, Hoh'sus) I can "ambush" sometimes-but if hte ambush-alpha fails to kill the target quickly, it's the 12 second counter where it's evasive and APO to try and shake pursuit before going to cloak. There IS no "tanking" in a Bop.

It all depends on how you use the gimmick. I've seen PvP teammates take a B'rel Retro toe-to-toe with a Defiant and win.

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dova25 · February 2013

sander233 wrote: »

It all depends on how you use the gimmick. I've seen PvP teammates take a B'rel Retro toe-to-toe with a Defiant and win.

And I have seen fleet defiants that weren't possible to kill except by top kdf jhas.
A well built fleet defiant can make more damage in the same time frame as any ship in game.
Actually in the last months I have seen slowly that most of the top kdf players are running now jhas.(you see the same char in different ships every couple of weeks and finally you see him in a jhas). It seems that is the best option to kdf pvp.

Kumari it seems it will be something more powerful than existing escorts and why then it is available only to one part ?
All they had to do is to make another skin and make it available to kdf too to preserve the balance ( as deferi says).

I think that somewhere ,somebody doesn't love kdf at all.

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beefsupreme79 · February 2013

patrickngo wrote: »

it MAY be the "best" option-but it's one I'll never take. Getting kills in a JHAS doesn't have the Glory that KILLING a JHAS has, when you're running something that is, by objective standards, inferior.

It's just, imho, grinding Dilithium at that point-not a challenging ship to run, it doesn't require skill OR effort to use. Not my plate of Gagh, honestly.

agreed, there is nothing sweeter than following a target around in kerrat waiting for the right moment to unload an alpha in a heghta, watching them melt is 3 seconds and immediately recloaking. though i usually fly through they re burst cloud so they know who smoked them.

all this with 3 tac consoles. man if i had 5? lol forget it

i will say that some of these defiants have waaaay to much tanking ability (even standing still) than any dps machine should have. we all know the builds, we all know the gear, there should not be such a huge diff in surviveability if you are running a similar build and gear.

vexashen · February 2013

The fact of the matter is in pvp the kdf do not have the burst damage that feds have. And now with kumari anyone can have incredible burst damage that far outweighs any klingon ship.

bitemepwe · February 2013

sander233 wrote: »

I for one am perfectly happy with the situation as-is. It feels canonically correct to have the Defiant as the top dog in escort land, while KDF battlecruisers have a major firepower advantage over Fed cruisers.

I can be happy woth such a continuing trend, if it continues to give us more DPS designed Battle Cruisers representong all the KDF races which I feel is not the case currently.

For example the new Andorian blog mentions how the tech they had at one tome was superior to the feds. Its reflected in its design.

The Gorn where considerd to be superior to the feds once but thier ships certainly dont seem so now for example.

vexashen · February 2013

Id be fine with it to. Accept pvp is all about burst damage. No cruiser will ever have the burst damage of an escort. Yes the bortasqu can mount cannons. Good luck getting those cannons on a defiant that is ripping out of your firing arcs.

bitemepwe · February 2013

Addendum: I really like the 3pack BoP idea being discussed in the PvP section.

Let the feds excell at escorts. We KDF have our on unique vessel. The iconic BoP.

Klingon Escorts

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