Not sure why, the Odyssey does the same thing and more than what the Galaxy offers. Only ones who really fly it are hardcore Galaxy-class fans.
At least the Odyssey is a newer ship. The Galaxy is out classed first by the Excelsior and now the Ambassador both older ships. It's just makes no damn since at all. smdh
So people don't have the right not to be insulted? lol
Well, no one has rights on a forum. Everyone is bound by term of use agreements. The forum master could ban you for three days for using the letter 'E' too much in a sentence if he decided to make it a term of use violation.
That's what these forums are for. You telling people their concerns don't matter is trying to ignore the problem.
Our concerns, in the long run, really don't matter. You could count on one hand the amount of legitiment concerns that have been addressed in the 3 years this game has been live. Still waiting on a complete KDF faction; a concern that has been around for 3 years. Yes, we really do matter, apparently.
The real question is if the game is not pay2win, why do all the best ships require microtransactions? (ie the Fleet versions of ships such as the ones in this post)
Well, first you have to make money somehow and there are only but so many clothing items in the Star Trek universe you could sell.
And, atleast with the Ambassador class, the masses wanted a fleet variant. Look back in the forum at around the time the Ambassador was confirmed. A lot of people wanting a fleet variant. In this case, people's concerns were addressed since money could be made off of it.
It all comes down to money. Some may view something as price gouging, but there are always enough people that will buy said product to justify a developer gouging prices even further.
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
For PETE'S SAKE...would it BEHOOVE the Devs to increase the turn to an 8? (matching Excelsior). If we have to pay for (5) Fleet modules), can we AT LEAST get a +1 turn???
For that amount of money, ($25 USD) is that simply asking to much ?????
Fleet ships are so underwhelming. You pay $20 for the FSMs for 1 console slot and a few more hit/shield points on ONE ship. No special console.
At least Cryptic finally realized how stupidly expensive fleet ships are by giving these 2 an alternate skin (very minor difference, but a move in the right direction) and a universal slot.
Fleet ships still ain't worth $20. All Fleet ships should be 1 FSM.
For PETE'S SAKE...would it BEHOOVE the Devs to increase the turn to an 8? (matching Excelsior). If we have to pay for (5) Fleet modules), can we AT LEAST get a +1 turn???
For that amount of money, ($25 USD) is that simply asking to much ?????
That was a typo, it's 'only' 4. Still too much.
I agree, the fleet versions of cruisers should have a +1 turn rate too. I might actually use the Regent if it was a bit better at turning.
Sometimes I think I play STO just to have something to complain about on the forums.
At least the Odyssey is a newer ship. The Galaxy is out classed first buy the Excelsior and now the Ambassador both older ships. It's just makes no damn since at all. smdh
Heh, I know. I told my friends today that if the Ambassador was around at the start, I would've flown it instead of the Sovereign.
So hope Cryptic is going to go back and rethink ships a bit and add more to them to offer more viability. Like the Galaxy having greater power bonuses (due to the larger warp core).
it wont give you a discount due to being a free ship ?
any ways who thought it a good idea of giving the fleet ambassador more hull that the fleet version of the sovi refit/regent ? , sorry but this seems a little odd to me seeing it is an older design . mind you this is cryptic we are talking about they do odd things at times :P
The Devs need to give the ship a +1 turn or something...NOT an increased hull!
At least the Odyssey is a newer ship. The Galaxy is out classed first by the Excelsior and now the Ambassador both older ships. It's just makes no damn since at all. smdh
::: cough cough .... station wagon ... ::; cough cough.
Even an older sports car will out run a newer station wagon or mini van.
Seriously ... Blame Starfleet ship designers for choosing to make a bus that had room for families.
I'm incredibly impressed with this news. The 5 modules was worrisome, but now that that bits over and done with I can just be happy they are getting the proper tier 5 treatment, and even better, new skins. The ship modeling team has really outdone themselves these past few months, they deserve some champagne or something.
But...WHY? It is still outclassed by the Fleet Excelsior...(both in firepower and movement).
Could the Devs maybe UP the inertia??? (Since they have already cracked the gavel on any attempts to +1 the turn-rate) by declaring: "Thou shalt have a crappy 7 turn rate!"
The hull does NOT need to be increased. 39.5K hull is FINE just where the free version was. I think 95% of players would keep the hull unchanged in exchange for a +1 turn, or the like. Fleet Kamarag Battle Cruiser
Can Equip Cannons
Extra Universal Consoles
Base Turn Rate: 10.5 degrees per second
Cloaking Device
+10 Weapon Power, +10 Engine Power
VS.
TRIBBLE-assador Fleet Support Cruiser Retrofit
+4,950 hull
+1 Device Slot
+5 to All Subsystem Power
Hmmmmm...When compared there's no argument that the Kamarag OUTCLASSES Ambassador. It's actually disgusting. I would GLADLY TRADE the extra hull and the device slot to get an extra Universal Slot, a +3.5 base turn, Cannon-use, and +10 Weapon Power.
What would YOU rather spend YOUR MONEY on??? I think its blatently obvious which ship is the better bang for the buck.
But...WHY? It is still outclassed by the Fleet Excelsior...(both in firepower and movement).
Could the Devs maybe UP the inertia??? (Since they have already cracked the gavel on any attempts to +1 the turn-rate) by declaring: "Thou shalt have a crappy 7 turn rate!"
The hull does NOT need to be increased. 39.5K hull is FINE just where the free version was. I think 95% of players would keep the hull unchanged in exchange for a +1 turn, or the like.
Its one of my all time fav ships thats why. I have the Fleet Excelsior and yes it really good. Tho is not a fire power ship it is a Support ship so you really can't even put the Excelsior and Ambassador in the same light.
Well, no one has rights on a forum. Everyone is bound by term of use agreements. The forum master could ban you for three days for using the letter 'E' too much in a sentence if he decided to make it a term of use violation.
Our concerns, in the long run, really don't matter. You could count on one hand the amount of legitiment concerns that have been addressed in the 3 years this game has been live. Still waiting on a complete KDF faction; a concern that has been around for 3 years. Yes, we really do matter, apparently.
Well, first you have to make money somehow and there are only but so many clothing items in the Star Trek universe you could sell.
And, atleast with the Ambassador class, the masses wanted a fleet variant. Look back in the forum at around the time the Ambassador was confirmed. A lot of people wanting a fleet variant. In this case, people's concerns were addressed since money could be made off of it.
It all comes down to money. Some may view something as price gouging, but there are always enough people that will buy said product to justify a developer gouging prices even further.
Actually people do have rights on the forums set out by the Terms of Service. But apparently some people just want to be jerks. I can think of a couple people right now. I guess some people think they need to be jerks to get their point across (which shows how weak their point is altogether).
Claiming that only a handful of concerns have been addressed is simply not true. In this thread alone they addressed the concern everyone had of the cost being too much. Half the devtracker responses are addressing concerns from the players. They just don't address many concerns that won't make them money.
As far as the top-tier gear having to be paid so the company can make money, they claimed they were making profit even back when they were subscription. They claim they've always been making profit, so having the top-tier ships require cash isn't necessary. Charging us for anything we, as players, want in the game makes the game not f2p anymore.
But it sounds to me that you agree the game is Pay2Win. If you're okay with admitting that, then you have nothing further to add. Cryptic and the rest of the community just need to admit it.
Can u give the Ambassador plz a higher Turn rate,for a Support Ship and Possible for a Sci and his Buffs this Turnrate is a joke.The Kling Ship is Ways better.
Can we get a statement on whether or not the new ship parts will be interchangeable like most ships? Say for example, can I get the Ambassador hull and saucer with Yamaguchi pylons and nacelles?
Can we get a statement on whether or not the new ship parts will be interchangeable like most ships? Say for example, can I get the Ambassador hull and saucer with Yamaguchi pylons and nacelles?
It was stated in the Blog:
In addition to these stat upgrades, the Fleet version of the Support Cruiser Retrofit will come default with a Yamaguchi configuration variant (in addition to being able to use the Ambassador design configuration), as well as a unique Fleet Material.
So what are you guys going to do with the T5 retrofit version once the event is over, I know you're not going to put it in the C store, so is it going in the fleet base like the others for 200K.
I can't see you guys just putting it away forever.
So what are you guys going to do with the T5 retrofit version once the event is over, I know you're not going to put it in the C store, so is it going in the fleet base like the others for 200K.
I can't see you guys just putting it away forever.
I bet they will make anniversary missions like FE's. On the anniversary, they will add all the anniversary missions again, with their full rewards, it will be great for newbs who want to experiment with ships and stuff.
Can u give the Ambassador plz a higher Turn rate,for a Support Ship and Possible for a Sci and his Buffs this Turnrate is a joke.The Kling Ship is Ways better.
But...WHY? It is still outclassed by the Fleet Excelsior...(both in firepower and movement).
Could the Devs maybe UP the inertia??? (Since they have already cracked the gavel on any attempts to +1 the turn-rate) by declaring: "Thou shalt have a crappy 7 turn rate!"
The hull does NOT need to be increased. 39.5K hull is FINE just where the free version was. I think 95% of players would keep the hull unchanged in exchange for a +1 turn, or the like. Fleet Kamarag Battle Cruiser
Can Equip Cannons
Extra Universal Consoles
Base Turn Rate: 10.5 degrees per second
Cloaking Device
+10 Weapon Power, +10 Engine Power
VS.
TRIBBLE-assador Fleet Support Cruiser Retrofit
+4,950 hull
+1 Device Slot
+5 to All Subsystem Power
Hmmmmm...When compared there's no argument that the Kamarag OUTCLASSES Ambassador. It's actually disgusting. I would GLADLY TRADE the extra hull and the device slot to get an extra Universal Slot, a +3.5 base turn, Cannon-use, and +10 Weapon Power.
What would YOU rather spend YOUR MONEY on??? I think its blatently obvious which ship is the better bang for the buck.
In fact, they are so AGAINST the concept, that they deleted my post on Dev Blog #35 where I asked that question. Their REFUSAL to budge on inertia/and or turning isn't going to happen...not now...not ever.
Yeah - This doesn't seem worth it, especially for the cost. I think alot of aspects in this game need to be looked at again, even revamped. Mainly the balancing of ships and how they operate. Alot of FED ships seem very under powered in comparison to their KDF counterpart.
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Because they have an account-wide unlock with the 1-module-fleet-upgrade-per-character-option?
Edit: and yeas, that is the only reason I can currently think of.
Not sure why, the Odyssey does the same thing and more than what the Galaxy offers. Only ones who really fly it are hardcore Galaxy-class fans.
Oh, that makes things better. :rolleyes:
At least the Odyssey is a newer ship. The Galaxy is out classed first by the Excelsior and now the Ambassador both older ships. It's just makes no damn since at all. smdh
Well, no one has rights on a forum. Everyone is bound by term of use agreements. The forum master could ban you for three days for using the letter 'E' too much in a sentence if he decided to make it a term of use violation.
Our concerns, in the long run, really don't matter. You could count on one hand the amount of legitiment concerns that have been addressed in the 3 years this game has been live. Still waiting on a complete KDF faction; a concern that has been around for 3 years. Yes, we really do matter, apparently.
Well, first you have to make money somehow and there are only but so many clothing items in the Star Trek universe you could sell.
And, atleast with the Ambassador class, the masses wanted a fleet variant. Look back in the forum at around the time the Ambassador was confirmed. A lot of people wanting a fleet variant. In this case, people's concerns were addressed since money could be made off of it.
It all comes down to money. Some may view something as price gouging, but there are always enough people that will buy said product to justify a developer gouging prices even further.
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
For PETE'S SAKE...would it BEHOOVE the Devs to increase the turn to an 8? (matching Excelsior). If we have to pay for (5) Fleet modules), can we AT LEAST get a +1 turn???
For that amount of money, ($25 USD) is that simply asking to much ?????
At least Cryptic finally realized how stupidly expensive fleet ships are by giving these 2 an alternate skin (very minor difference, but a move in the right direction) and a universal slot.
Fleet ships still ain't worth $20. All Fleet ships should be 1 FSM.
That was a typo, it's 'only' 4. Still too much.
I agree, the fleet versions of cruisers should have a +1 turn rate too. I might actually use the Regent if it was a bit better at turning.
Heh, I know. I told my friends today that if the Ambassador was around at the start, I would've flown it instead of the Sovereign.
So hope Cryptic is going to go back and rethink ships a bit and add more to them to offer more viability. Like the Galaxy having greater power bonuses (due to the larger warp core).
The Devs need to give the ship a +1 turn or something...NOT an increased hull!
::: cough cough .... station wagon ... ::; cough cough.
Even an older sports car will out run a newer station wagon or mini van.
Seriously ... Blame Starfleet ship designers for choosing to make a bus that had room for families.
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smdh
That's some bullcrap right there.
You don't see KDF battle cruisers with enough room to carry families do you? ... Scantly clad Orions ... maybe ... Targs ... definitely.
(( shoves the BortaS into a closet so it cannot be viewed ))
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But...WHY? It is still outclassed by the Fleet Excelsior...(both in firepower and movement).
Could the Devs maybe UP the inertia??? (Since they have already cracked the gavel on any attempts to +1 the turn-rate) by declaring: "Thou shalt have a crappy 7 turn rate!"
The hull does NOT need to be increased. 39.5K hull is FINE just where the free version was. I think 95% of players would keep the hull unchanged in exchange for a +1 turn, or the like.
Fleet Kamarag Battle Cruiser
Can Equip Cannons
Extra Universal Consoles
Base Turn Rate: 10.5 degrees per second
Cloaking Device
+10 Weapon Power, +10 Engine Power
VS.
TRIBBLE-assador Fleet Support Cruiser Retrofit
+4,950 hull
+1 Device Slot
+5 to All Subsystem Power
Hmmmmm...When compared there's no argument that the Kamarag OUTCLASSES Ambassador. It's actually disgusting. I would GLADLY TRADE the extra hull and the device slot to get an extra Universal Slot, a +3.5 base turn, Cannon-use, and +10 Weapon Power.
What would YOU rather spend YOUR MONEY on??? I think its blatently obvious which ship is the better bang for the buck.
Each of the iconic ships got 5 consoles in their representing specialty. That was it.
The Galaxy sucks not because it sucks stat-wise, but the game doesn't play to its strengths as this is Star DPS Online.
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Its one of my all time fav ships thats why. I have the Fleet Excelsior and yes it really good. Tho is not a fire power ship it is a Support ship so you really can't even put the Excelsior and Ambassador in the same light.
Actually people do have rights on the forums set out by the Terms of Service. But apparently some people just want to be jerks. I can think of a couple people right now. I guess some people think they need to be jerks to get their point across (which shows how weak their point is altogether).
Claiming that only a handful of concerns have been addressed is simply not true. In this thread alone they addressed the concern everyone had of the cost being too much. Half the devtracker responses are addressing concerns from the players. They just don't address many concerns that won't make them money.
As far as the top-tier gear having to be paid so the company can make money, they claimed they were making profit even back when they were subscription. They claim they've always been making profit, so having the top-tier ships require cash isn't necessary. Charging us for anything we, as players, want in the game makes the game not f2p anymore.
But it sounds to me that you agree the game is Pay2Win. If you're okay with admitting that, then you have nothing further to add. Cryptic and the rest of the community just need to admit it.
I really want a Yamaguchi.
Very nice looking stats and skins, BUT WHERE IS MY FLEET GALAXY-X!?!? *sniffle*
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It was stated in the Blog:
That doesn't necessarily mean you can interchange the parts, but it could mean that so I'd like some clarification.
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since you can do it with all Fleet ships, I don't see why they would stop now.
You're probably right.
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I can't see you guys just putting it away forever.
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/paz8d5/the-bates-4000-
I bet they will make anniversary missions like FE's. On the anniversary, they will add all the anniversary missions again, with their full rewards, it will be great for newbs who want to experiment with ships and stuff.
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The simple answer from the Devs? NO WAY!!!
In fact, they are so AGAINST the concept, that they deleted my post on Dev Blog #35 where I asked that question. Their REFUSAL to budge on inertia/and or turning isn't going to happen...not now...not ever.
Oh well, it is Cryptic.... heh