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paareth
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Greetings all.
Anyone who doesn't move, fire or do anything in an STF needs to be removed after 3 minutes so they cannot just afk for rewards and leave the team a man short.
This opens up the STF for another to join.
Nice, simple, helps remove some of the abusers, I realize not all but some.
Anyone who doesn't move, fire or do anything in an STF needs to be removed after 3 minutes so they cannot just afk for rewards and leave the team a man short.
This opens up the STF for another to join.
Nice, simple, helps remove some of the abusers, I realize not all but some.
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what gets me is how they don't enforce it when they clearly exploiting it for marks
what I also don't get is leaving team in fleet actions to bypass need or greed
It would take about 2-3 minutes for a determined leecher to circumvent that. Even something as simple as a weight on one or two keyboard buttons would probably suffice in space encounters.
AFKers are becoming a serious issue not just in STFs, but in fleet actions. Could some DEV at least give us a nod to the fact this is even on their radar?
Most effective method would be to have the game itself punish afkers. I played City of Heroes and their Incarnate Raids had a mechanism where if not enough useful activity is done (damaging npcs, healing allies), then they get the consolation prize. Just damaging the gateway in ISE would not be useful activity since its just one target. Sucks if your game crashed or disconnected, but worth the cost of reducing afkers. So instead of getting 60+ Omega Marks, then they would get 5. I doubt many afkers would afk through 12 or more elite STFs to get the same amount that they would get through one elite STF if they played normally.
then what about the players who take the role to defend Kang or the vortex? what would happen to them. lol
Pretty much this.
Most of the AFK issue would solve itself if the scoring system was changed to require participation of some sort.
At least respond to the gm reports I write about them.
I think that rewards in stfs should be proportional to activity, if you're doing active dps or even only active heals on other players then you are participating, if you do nothing, you get nothing.
and tried to suggestion to have players sent to facility 4028 for 6 hour punishment
if reported enough times.
its a nice idea since they dont like banning people. so this would be easier solution.
and look at it now. i guess someone will have to suggest it again because i am done
trying to suggest stuff and getting trolled for it.
As new player I'm not allowed to create a thread, but this thread is similar in that it deals with queued events, so sorry if it seems like thread hijack.
I've only done PvE queue fleet action 3 times at this point (kill some Klingons near a station) . I rolled an engineer, flying a cruiser that i've pimped out with survivability gear (tank role).
During the fleet action, my energy is set to max shield recharge, and when the enemy battleships come out in the 2nd wave i'm in the front, rotating defensive cooldowns, taking a pounding while the other players attack the ships that are attacking me.
When the fleet action ends, I've always gotten the lowest tier reward. I've never seen a need or greed role, or a blue or purple reward.
I'm pretty sure the dps players wouldn't have been able to sit on the enemy battleships and dps them if I wasn't soaking the hits, so why am I not rewarded for tanking? This is supposed to be a PvE queue.
There is no score screen shown afterwards like all the other MMORPGs that i've played. so I can't see total damage taken or dealt or the total friendly healz by science vessels (haven't seen one yet, but assume they queue also...)
Can someone please confirm if queued events like the fleet actions only reward DPS role players and not healers or tanks?
I'd say Cryptic should fix the disconnect issues first, THEN implement your idea. Otherwise, people who get disconnected from the server (Cryptic's fault) get penalized for something that's not their fault.
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The worst of it is when someone leeches ground elite stf missions because they are already difficult enough but when short handed they become so very hard that the optional objective will fail and that even the mission being completed has a good chance to fail with people giving up once things get really hard.
So it looks like the AFKr just didnt want to fight his friends maybe?!? AFKrs should be insta killed by invisible Borg torps.
Ground combat should have a vote kick system. It is far easier to spot an AFK / blatent troll in ground combat.
I'm sick and tired of these AFKers ruining the fun for everyone else, doing nothing yet STILL getting a reward.
Now we have Fleet/Rom/Omega mark AFKers.
It's seriously about time we had a "vote to kick" button.
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This can eaily be abused, I was in a KASE with 4 people from the same fleet who all were doing way less dps then me, but were trying to tell me what to do, like guard probes. This was after I tanked the tac cube the whole time with no cross heals from them with my tac escort with no threat control, so obviously I had most DPS.
STF is DPS race, so DPS person runs the show, but these people were thinking just because most of the group was their fleet their fleet was running it. Anyway I just ignored them and the probes and someone from their fleet was forced to guard them while I soloed both cubes on right side and took my gate sdown before the other 3 of them on left side did.
If there was a vote kick system I could have been kicked simply for knowing how better to play my ship effectivley and not listening to noobs.
You weren't not listening to noobs, you were not listening to perfectly competent players who were perhaps slightly less effective than you, although you have no solid evidence for that assertion and they had no evidence at all. Heck, as far as I can tell they could all have been doing 25% more DPS than you but each had one of the [-Th] consoles. The most important thing in an STF is good teamwork and strategy. From what I can tell their strategy was a perfectly typical and sound one. If you're not willing to work as a team you are making the mission harder for everyone, whether you have 2k DPS or 20k. By deliberately ignoring the mission-critical duty you had been asked to perform without even informing the other players you were effectively a griefer, and so kicking you at that point would not have been an abuse at all. That's just the way working together works.
And THIS is precisely why a vote to kick tool is a very bad idea. It will become "Do as we so or we will kick you". No player should have to take orders from another player in a match. They should be able to play the match any way they want. And what would be to stop a team like that from kicking the player right before Donatara's ship gets blown up just to spite the player. Do you really think Cryptic is going to investigate every last claim of abuse on a vote to kick tool? They won't, they have a lot of better things to do.
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So, what about teams using three cube attackers, one floater, and one emergency guard/kang healer. The match goes so well that the emergency guard doesn't have to do anything until the end Neg'Vars show up. If there were a timed kick then he would have been booted long before that time. You wouldn't be able to get anyone to do guard duty due to a risk of not getting the "best"rewards. I have done hundreds upon thousands of STFs. Out of that I have only had two cases where someone was just sitting there pressing need constantly (KASE and ISE). The KASE was rather fun, the team and I decided to lure Donatara over to the spawn and we let her camp him a few times. Amazingly enough the third time around he full impulsed way out into the far corner of the map :rolleyes:.
It's not as all so common as you are all claiming. The easiest way to solve this? Have your whole team send complaints about him to his fleet leader via the ingame mail. Then have everyone leave the match. Cryptic doesn't need to implement a technical feature to deal with the very small number of AFKers, we already have methods to deal with them on our own.
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You understand that this whole thing came out of you talking about a time when YOU ALMOST LOST THE MISSION FOR YOUR ENTIRE TEAM PURELY BECAUSE YOU WERE BEING AN ELITIST JERK, right? STFs are team missions that require teamwork to complete. If you aren't prepared to work as a team, including using the same strategy as the rest of the group, you shouldn't be playing them. Yes, that means that often someone is going to have to give orders during the course of the match, if for no other reason than to make sure everyone is on the same page, even if it would have worked another way too. That is the nature of our species, and you're going to have to learn to cope with it.
Your other objection is that there's a chance that 4 people are going to decide together to be complete jerks and kick someone purely for the fun of making them miserable. I simply don't buy that happening in anything close to a significant number of cases, and if it were it would be easily fixed by not allowing kicks after a certain point in the match (say a gate dead in KASE, both transformers dead in ISE, two cubes dead in CSE).
You're making 4 assumptions that will not be accurate for all cases.
1: you assume this player is in a fleet, not everyone is.
2: you assume that your team will know the leader of that fleet, which is highly unlikely given the number of fleets in STO.
3: you assume that the fleet leader will want to punish a person who did this, which need not be the case. This is all the more true since they will have no way to confirm your claim, and so it becomes the word of 4 strangers against the word of 1 member, and the potential for abuse here is at least as great.
4: you assume that the fleet leader will be able to punish a person who did this, which is totally inaccurate. The worst thing a fleet leader could possibly do to someone is kick them from the fleet, which is pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of the game, especially since they can likely get an invite to another fleet soon after.
Of course, all that is on top of the fact that doing this means you don't get rewards for the mission and instead get a leaver penalty forbidding you from doing any more for an hour. For a player who only gets a few hours online in a day (and the devs think 3 is standard) that is a major hardship.
EDIT: My apologies, I did not realize you were not the person my first response was directed to. As a result, my tone was harsher than it should have been. However, my points stand.
I reference the part that I was forced to tank tac cube with no cross heals as Tac in Defiant, something most can't do very easily. I did it, but still common courtesy for others to cross heal if any of their tankier ships arent holding aggro.
Not showing teamwork then and asking for it after is not very smart.
Have you ever tried using mid level heals on a teamate in an STF? I do it all the time, and they usually die within 10 seconds anyway, and then I'm the next target. That's with a max Aux 99 skill TSS2 and a max Aux 84 skill HE1. So you need either a dedicated sci healboat or a cruiser with Extend Shields to do anything significant. The former you definitely aren't going to see much, although the latter you might, most cruisers should be carrying an Extend Shields, although if you have to pick just one EWP is probably the better PvE support power.
So, long story short, not cross healing still doesn't indicate much of anything.
Well, it's no biggy if there's an afker in my group as i always run with at least 1 fleetie. I can see the point though, it can get frustrating.
Problem is, A Vote-kick system will be abused, no doubt about it. I'd rather just two-person KAGE with optional and three AFKers, we've done it without the afkers, show our prowess and brag about it too them.
When they say connection issues, or something happened outside of the game, i'll have to give them the benefit of the doubt. Because come on, we don't have evidence otherwise. That being said, if i see the same person doing it repeatedly, i might get frustrated.
Thing is, every STF is designed to be completed with optional the bare minimum of players, 3 for IGE, 2 for KAGE, not sure about CGE, i'd say 2-3 though, ISE, 1 person perhaps, KASE, two definitely, CSE, i've seen two people doing it, asked for a spectator.
So it's not the end of the world if you get some AFKers, i know it feels like "Why should i be doing the work for them?", but then think of it this way "Wow, i completed this STF with (1,2,3) members down, i do have some skill!"