If STO wants to be the true heir of the Star Trek Legacy

ferowsi · January 2013

Give us a way to end this damn war with the Klingons.

Be it an episode or some other event. Our continuing mission should be to seek out new life and new civilizations! Not to go to war with the ones we know.

PVP can be battle simulations to deal with possible incursions, this allows for Fed Vs. Fed PVP in lore and KDF vs KDF.

When dealing with new STFs it can be dealing with a crumbling asteroid falling to a planets surface, you have to hit and break up the pieces before it hits the planets surface and deal with the plasma bursts and radiation from the asteroid's unstable core.

Ground missions can consists of helping free people from a collapsed mine while dealing with debris still falling down.

There are dozens of ideas that can be done beyond "Kill those dirty xenos"

foundrelic · January 2013

ferowsi wrote: »

Give us a way to end this damn war with the Klingons.

Be it an episode or some other event. Our continuing mission should be to seek out new life and new civilizations! Not to go to war with the ones we know.

PVP can be battle simulations to deal with possible incursions, this allows for Fed Vs. Fed PVP in lore and KDF vs KDF.

When dealing with new STFs it can be dealing with a crumbling asteroid falling to a planets surface, you have to hit and break up the pieces before it hits the planets surface and deal with the plasma bursts and radiation from the asteroid's unstable core.

Ground missions can consists of helping free people from a collapsed mine while dealing with debris still falling down.

There are dozens of ideas that can be done beyond "Kill those dirty xenos"

Stahl has already said that Reunification is part of the ultimate plan.

stardestroyer001 · January 2013

"If STO wants to be the true heir of Star Trek Legacy"

STO isn't the successor to Star Trek Legacy. They are separate games, and you should treat them as such.

ferowsi · January 2013

It's not just the war with KDF but the nature of the STFs

ferowsi · January 2013

stardestroyer001 wrote: »

"If STO wants to be the true heir of Star Trek Legacy"

STO isn't the successor to Star Trek Legacy. They are separate games, and you should treat them as such.

I meant Star Trek's legacy not the game, my bad.

logicalspock · January 2013

It is much easier to make an appealing game about war than it is to make one about exploration.

STO would need to hire some good writers and change the format of some of its new missions to be expansive, much longer than 30 minutes (think six to eight hours) and more open-ended rather than going to where little circles tell you to go, with a lot of mystery solving and mini-games.

Given their profit motive, I am not sure that they will ever do this.

twg042370 · January 2013

It probably ended officially in a tweet by one of the devs like the Undine story.

edna · January 2013

ferowsi wrote: »

Give us a way to end this damn war with the Klingons.

Few weeks ago kdf beat the s*** out of admiral Quinn on esd and you want feds to end the war :eek:

twg042370 · January 2013

adrianm63 wrote: »

Few weeks ago kdf beat the s*** out of admiral Quinn on esd and you want feds to end the war :eek:

Shhhh! That didn't happen! Down the memory hole with it!

stardestroyer001 · January 2013

But it did happen, you can't deny it.

ferowsi · January 2013

adrianm63 wrote: »

Few weeks ago kdf beat the s*** out of admiral Quinn on esd and you want feds to end the war :eek:

I don't honestly care about what players do. Having such a focus on war and relentless violence isn't in the spirit of what Starfleet is.

centersolace · January 2013

D'oh well. :P

lordrezeon · January 2013

Unfortunately from a story perspective the only thing keeping the war going is the simple fact that the Federation has been in the wrong for awhile. Starfleets refusal to deal with the Undine threat in any meaningful way has been a big sticking point for why the Klingons feel betrayed.

When the Gorn attacked the Klingons it was revealed that they were puppets of the Undine, the Federations response was to tell the Klingons to ignore the problem. Several high profile members of Starfleet tried to petition SF Command only to get completely ignored. Now with the war in full swing several episodes and lore datachips reveal that Starfleet's upper echelon is full of its own Undine infiltrators.

For the war to end PWE would have to let the Klingons... remove the problem. That wouldn't sit well with a lot of Starfleet players though. So they have to figure out a way for the Federation to save face and still look like the good guys.

lincolninspace · January 2013

lordrezeon wrote: »

several episodes and lore datachips reveal that Starfleet's upper echelon is full of its own Undine infiltrators.

See the klinks had a reason to attack Admiral Quinn :P

Klingons resenting the treatment they get... Good thing that never happens to kdf players.

All kidding aside I agree with the op for the most part.

tsurutafan01 · January 2013

Do some of you know this is a video game?

Not sure if I'm serious or not.

diotw · January 2013

I often think about creating a Foundry mission called 'The End of the War', where Captain Jarod contacts the player with irrefutable evidence as to the extent of the Undine infiltration of the Federation, and the player joins forces with him (and other loyal officers) to make it through the Undine controlled elements of Starfleet, infiltrate Federation HQ, and reveal the Undine (possibly President Okeg himself). Perhaps even tie in the end of the Undine story, and have the player present the Undine with the evidence of how the Iconians have deceived them. The Undine control of the Federation is broken, and they withdraw to Fluidic Space to plan their next move against the Iconians. The Federation makes peace with the Empire (perhaps with some rogue Captains/Undine refusing to accept the settlement). The war ends with the Federation having protected itself from the Klingons, and with the Klingons achieving the sort of honourable victory they write songs about!

With the restoration of the Khitomer Accords, the Federation and Klingon Empire come together, with the support of D'tan and the Romulan Reunificationists, to present the united front that the Iconians have long sought to break up.

Basically, that's how I'd hope the next round of story missions would go, but in their absence, I guess that's what the Foundry's for.

ferowsi · January 2013

lincolninspace wrote: »

See the klinks had a reason to attack Admiral Quinn :P

Klingons resenting the treatment they get... Good thing that never happens to kdf players.

All kidding aside I agree with the op for the most part.

I'd be cool with a Klingon suicide run on Earth to eliminate the Undine. The last klingon running down the hall of Starfleet Academy, phaser beams bursting against his body as he raises his disruptor up at Admiral Quinn blasting and killing him. Revealing that he was the Undine causing the problem...or something.

Or! Or!

Martok returns! His death was faked he found out who was Undine both in the Klingon and Federation commands and paints a trail of blood with Work and their sons at their side freeing the Alpha Quadrant from the fearful reign of the Undine letting us go on the offensive!

dawnpromise · January 2013

diotw I would love to play such a mission. It would neatly tie up several lose plot threads and set the stage for a new season of adventures.

bluedarky · January 2013

One of my favorite references to the Undine Infiltration Plot is in the Foundry mission One Too Many by XR-377 (I swear I will promote this mission until it is the most played on the foundry as it is an excellent mission and goes well beyond most of the Cryptic content in quality) where you have to pick a target for the program, select Admiral Quinn and you'll see that the program has a setting for Admiral Quinn being replaced by a hostile Undine.

Even your companion for the quest comments on it.

neoakiraii · January 2013

Wait, we are at war with the KDF? Since when I thought it ended... I couldn't tell between them helping retake DS9 or helping make contact with the undine, or helping with the Borg or helping with New Romulus.

Only in Star Trek can you help someone you're at war with.

smokeybacon90 · January 2013

For a war with KDF setting, there isn't too much evidence of it. If you don't play Fed v KDF PVP, the only real sign you are at war is the Klingon mission arc and the occasional Fleet Action. Whereas the Borg and Romulans are consistently rammed into our face.

diogene0 · January 2013

I think the decision should be left to KDF players. Why not? Do the faction want to sign a peace treaty with Admirals lowering their pants as soon as they hear a phaser blast? We have a chancellor, why would the devs force such political decisions upon players?

Jokes apart, i really think it's time to allow players to play the game insead of being played by it. Most of us aren't children anymore, and I'm pretty sure we could rule such things by ourselves instead of being babysitted by devs and cutscenes.

virusdancer · January 2013

Why has the war ended? Three years later, it's still 2409. Even in the Massively Interview, they talk about adding more 2409 ships as they introduce remaining Canon ships. Three years from now, it will still be 2409 - I'm guessing.

2409's a very busy year. Depending on where you're playing in 2409, the nature of the Universe can be far different than somebody else that's playing in 2409. Depending on the order that you play things out in 2409, you can easily find yourself talking to people that remember you that you've not met yet - or - mentioning some event that will be taking place that has already taken place.

Heck, even with Tau Dewa - you're able to do antagonistic missions after you've become friendly with them.

Time...well, time is very fluid.

bluegeek · January 2013

foundrelic wrote: »

Stahl has already said that Reunification is part of the ultimate plan.

I don't think that's quite what was said...

IMO, the Empire/KDF will always be seperate from the Federation (at least in STO, it will). An imperfect cease fire is likely, and some level of cooperation will be essential, but I wouldn't expect to see another full Alliance.

Even in TNG and parts of DS9, the Alliance never really went smoothly and that was an Empire that didn't include other factions like the Orions and the Gorn.

The Alliance was possible because the Federation earned the respect of Klingons and the relationship was mutually beneficial. In STO, the Federation has lost a great deal of that respect and there are factions that stand to lose if another Alliance arises.

I mean, can you see the Orion Syndicate being happy about the Empire having an extradition treaty, or co-enforcing Federation laws of commerce? That's just one bit.

I, for one, will be really disappointed if Cryptic in the form of Q raises their hand and -- Poof! -- the entire quadrant is instantly one big happy family. I want to see a logical progression and consequences that make sense immersively.

I don't think the Federation and the Empire can truly make peace until Cryptic allows cross-faction bar brawls.

bloctoad · January 2013

bluegeek wrote: »

I don't think that's quite what was said...

IMO, the Empire/KDF will always be seperate from the Federation (at least in STO, it will). An imperfect cease fire is likely, and some level of cooperation will be essential, but I wouldn't expect to see another full Alliance.

Even in TNG and parts of DS9, the Alliance never really went smoothly and that was an Empire that didn't include other factions like the Orions and the Gorn.

The Alliance was possible because the Federation earned the respect of Klingons and the relationship was mutually beneficial. In STO, the Federation has lost a great deal of that respect and there are factions that stand to lose if another Alliance arises.

I mean, can you see the Orion Syndicate being happy about the Empire having an extradition treaty, or co-enforcing Federation laws of commerce? That's just one bit.

I, for one, will be really disappointed if Cryptic in the form of Q raises their hand and -- Poof! -- the entire quadrant is instantly one big happy family. I want to see a logical progression and consequences that make sense immersively.

I don't think the Federation and the Empire can truly make peace until Cryptic allows cross-faction bar brawls.

And if I think Kirk is a Denebian slime devil, well that's my opinion too.

collegepark2151 · January 2013

diotw wrote: »

I often think about creating a Foundry mission called 'The End of the War'....

In the words of JJ Kirk...

DO IT!! DO IT!! DO IT!!

:D:D:D

collegepark2151 · January 2013

I was thinking about this just this morning (yes, my life is that sad) and I had a thought about ending the war without throwing everything away.

The two weeks a character spends leveling up turn out to be an elaborate holodeck simulation put on by Section 31 to test the character, like they put Bashir through. At the end, it turns out there never really was a war. Pretty open as to where to take the story from there.

Granted, it channels a lot of the shower scene return of Bobby from Dallas, but it's an idea.

bloctoad · January 2013

collegepark2151 wrote: »

I was thinking about this just this morning (yes, my life is that sad) and I had a thought about ending the war without throwing everything away.

The two weeks a character spends leveling up turn out to be an elaborate holodeck simulation put on by Section 31 to test the character, like they put Bashir through. At the end, it turns out there never really was a war. Pretty open as to where to take the story from there.

Granted, it channels a lot of the shower scene return of Bobby from Dallas, but it's an idea.

And ends like the shower scene from Psycho.

qaStaHvIS wa' ram loS SaD Hugh SIjlaH qetbogh loD
Four thousand throats may be cut in one night by a running man.

bluegeek · January 2013

bloctoad wrote: »

And if I think Kirk is a Denebian slime devil, well that's my opinion too.

Okay???

Was there a point there I missed?

bloctoad · January 2013

bluegeek wrote: »

I don't think that's quite what was said...

IMO, the Empire/KDF will always be seperate from the Federation (at least in STO, it will). An imperfect cease fire is likely, and some level of cooperation will be essential, but I wouldn't expect to see another full Alliance.

Even in TNG and parts of DS9, the Alliance never really went smoothly and that was an Empire that didn't include other factions like the Orions and the Gorn.

The Alliance was possible because the Federation earned the respect of Klingons and the relationship was mutually beneficial. In STO, the Federation has lost a great deal of that respect and there are factions that stand to lose if another Alliance arises.

I mean, can you see the Orion Syndicate being happy about the Empire having an extradition treaty, or co-enforcing Federation laws of commerce? That's just one bit.

I, for one, will be really disappointed if Cryptic in the form of Q raises their hand and -- Poof! -- the entire quadrant is instantly one big happy family. I want to see a logical progression and consequences that make sense immersively.

I don't think the Federation and the Empire can truly make peace until Cryptic allows cross-faction bar brawls.

bloctoad wrote: »

And if I think Kirk is a Denebian slime devil, well that's my opinion too.

bluegeek wrote: »

Okay???

Was there a point there I missed?

Yes. The K7 bar. You must have had one too many and failed a saving throw. Humans...:P

darimund · January 2013

I will refer you to the rules of acquisition, aka cryptics business model:

1. Once you have their money, you never give it back.
19. Satisfaction is not guaranteed.
34. War is good for business.
41. Profit is its own reward.
98. Every man has his price.
181. Not even dishonesty can tarnish the shine of profit.
202. The justification for profit is profit.
239. Never be afraid to mislabel a product.
266. When in doubt, lie.

If STO wants to be the true heir of the Star Trek Legacy

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