Obsolete Ships.

petaluma1 · January 2013

I'm a Tac Officer and I own almost every ship in the Fed Fleet other then Fleet level Ships and I want to discharge some of them to make room in my ship inventory for the new ships coming out next month. What ships are now considered OBSOLETE?

I know of course all lower level ranking ships but what about all of the T5 ships?

stardestroyer001 · January 2013

Exploration Cruiser Retrofit
Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit
Dreadnought Cruiser

Just a few off the top of my head - I still use my Dreadnought, but only because I like the design.

baudl · January 2013

...I own almost every ship in the Fed Fleet other then Fleet level Ships...

basically every ship you own then is obsolete, salvage the consoles from the is the only thing you should do before deleting them. they are not deleted for good anyway since you can reclaim the ships you bought anytime.

stardestroyer001 · January 2013

f2pdrakron wrote: »

I have to kinda disagree on [the Dreadnought being obsolete], even if the Galaxy-X have problems its pretty much the only Federation cruiser that can mount cannons (even if it cannot really use then well due to low tac stations and turn rate) and nothing else come that can replace it.

Also as listed were Zen Shop ships you can freely discharge then as if you own then, you can always reclaim then and there is some merit of then at Fleet version.

I would say the Patrol Escort is the one that been made utter obsolete as the Blockade Runner have better stats that even its Fleet version, were only the BO layout slightly differs but still I rather have 2 Lt. Eng BO stations that 1 Lt. Eng and 1 Lt Sci BO station as the Ens Uni does not make much difference.

Of course the Blockade Runner is part of the Steam pack and you have to buy it on Steam but still, it just outclasses the Patrol Escort.

Yes, but I've seen a bunch of people who are of the opinion that the Dreadnought has been made obsolete by the Vesta. Other than the tanking ability, I'd have to agree, the Vesta has the same abilities (and more - Aux cannons!) and has a better turn rate and shields. Granted, I still fly my Dreadnought as my primary ship, but it's effectively made obsolete in almost everything it was originally made to do.

I agree with the Blockade Runner Retrofit, it's a far superior ship, besting some of the other escorts. I'm still surprised by the potential of this ship.

orondis · January 2013

Pretty much all the original cruisers and sci-ships. The original "free" escorts are still serviceable though, though they're beginning to show their age "age", especially the patrol escort.

Assault Cruiser - Was more or less obsolete when the Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit came out. With the Fleet Assault Cruiser and Fleet Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit, the assault cruiser is a dinosaur and a joke of a DPS cruiser.

Star Cruiser - Made obsolete by the freebie Odyssey and the c-store one.

Galaxy retrofit - Has never been a good ship really, it's saucer separation console being a gimmick with a 5 min cooldown. It's shields and hull are now below cruiser standard and coupled with it's turn rate it's just a big fat target.

Galaxy-X - It was always a hit and miss ship even when it finally got it's fourth rear weapon slot. It's poor turnrate and tactical boff stations make it pretty weak in comparison to the fleet sovereign and fleet excelsior. Yes you can fit the thing with dual heavy cannons, but with single cannons and 2x cannon rapid fire the other two do far more sustained damage. The D'kora and Galor also do a better job as a DPS cruiser.

Deep Space Science Vessel and Recon Science Ship - Were pretty much obsolete with the release of the Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit, but with the release of the Nebula, Atrox, Vesta and all the fleet sci-ships, there's very little reason you'd want to fly the original T5 ships. While it's starting to look a bit old in the tooth compared to the newer ones, the long range science vessel retrofit can still keep up.

hereticknight085 · January 2013

If it it isn't a fleet ship/have 10 consoles get rid of it.

farmallm · January 2013

I don't get out my low tier ships often. I might once in a while for a little cruise around the block. I still use my T5 Negh'Var and Sovereign classes that you got for free. They are not the top of the line, but still get the job done.

cmdrskyfaller · January 2013

The Nebula tier 5 became the equivalent of a tier 3 in performance after the science nerfs post- F2P.

That ship needs a major overhaul. The fleet version of it is upping the tier 3.. where is the tier 5 fleet version?

Its supposed to be a sci ship with cruiser capabilities not a junky science ship with consoles that have never been of any use.

matridunadan1 · January 2013

Thanks to the glut of science, escort and carriers, pretty much all cruisers are going the way of the dodo.

Impressive to look at, but unless you min/max your build you are just a space whale waiting for the Pequod.

dalnar83 · January 2013

Nebula is also obsolete. As some of the tholian ships (orb)? and vestas have "same layout" but superior stats/bonuses otherwise.

talos85 · January 2013

I've been away for a while, so I've lost total track of where ships are in the pecking order. I'm currently in an Advanced Research Vessel Retro-fit, is this obsolete?

I played a pvp games and barely any damage with it, although I'm more tuned for disabling systems, leeching enemy power and tanking. I only killed one ship but I also only died once to, and my healing was up there a long with the rest of the fleet numbers at least.

I'm also an Engineering captain in this ship, and was wondering whether the federation from the c-store was useful and worth getting?

lagunad · January 2013

Perhaps it would be easier to list the ships that are *not* obsolete?

Vesta
Odyssey
Armitage
Multi-Vector/Advanced Escort
possibly Assault Cruiser Refit (no experience)
possibly Chimera Heavy Destroyer (no experience)

+ Lock-box/Lobi/Fleet ships

sunfrancks · January 2013

Any ship that has less than 10 consoles is considered obsolete.
Even the Vet reward Chimera is obsolete.

zarathos1978 · January 2013

I'm also an Engineering captain in this ship, and was wondering whether the federation from the c-store was useful and worth getting?

Unless you get into serious OPvP games, then it does not really matter what ship you are flying. In PUGs everything works. I fly DSSV as my main PvP ship for sci character and she's kicking in the guts anyone stupid enough to look nasty in her direction

OPvP is a bit different as people there tend to take the PvP a "bit" more seriously then average PUGer (who is more often then only seeking some fun, or AFK for dilit) and then every bit of advantage you can get matters.

If you are PUGer or doing casual PvP with some friends (and if you are asking such questions I assume you are) and are not really into all this OPvP business - do not worry. Nebula is fine ship.

For PvE it matter even less. You can do anything outside ESTFs (and I would not be sure about this) in a shuttle. Compared to this free ship is sooo OP

Yeah, you can argue about getting one console more and a second or two less in some run, but then does it really matters?

talos85 · January 2013

I got the armitage, swapped all my consoles and weapons over which were tier X modules and purple. I redid my spec adding a lot more tactical ability in with some added defence but I still did a full one or two less digits in damage than everyone above me.

When I asked those in my arena at the end what I was doing wrong and tried to explain to them, all I got was "the suck factor may be relevant".

defcon1776 · January 2013

Make lower tier ships viable again with a tier specific VA STF.:P

thegrimcorsair · January 2013

All Cruisers and Carriers are obsoleted by the Tholian Recluse in the role of healer.

All Escorts/Raptors are obsoleted by the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship in the role of main damage dealer.

All Science Ships are obsoleted by the Wells/Korrath in the role of primary debuffer.

petaluma1 · January 2013

Thanks for everyone's feed back. I agree with everyone of you. I really need to get that Steam Boat based on the comments. Does that ship have 4 or 5 Tac slots? if not why would it be better then the Fleet MVE?

jadensecura · January 2013

It only has 4 tac consoles, but dual Lt eng slots open up all kinds of options, and it also has slightly stronger hull and shields. That said, the Fleet Advanced Escort is also an excellent ship. It's sort of Fleet Defiant for pure DPS, Fleet Advanced Escort for DPS/CC, and Steamrunner for DPS/Tank.

lord0fhaven · January 2013

The Vulcan D'kyr needs a fleet refit along with the Atrox.

warbird001 · January 2013

Truthfully, no ship is obsolete, its the players that make it obsolete. I am still flying a Long Range Science Retrofit because I refuse to switch to the Vesta just for a few extras and plus I really hate that ship anyway. But I do fine in PvP, people who fly the lockbox ships, bugs, timeships etc... I just ignore them because if they are that desperate to win at a free game, its probably more embarrassing for them then it is for you.

Keep in mind that you are not as sad as them and keep on trucking, for fun and adventure

petaluma1 · January 2013

Amen Warbird ! and I think that said it all....

loading159 · February 2013

sunfrancks wrote: »

Any ship that has less than 10 consoles is considered obsolete.
Even the Vet reward Chimera is obsolete.

this is so far from the truth.

sander233 · February 2013

warbird001 wrote: »

Truthfully, no ship is obsolete, its the players that make it obsolete. I am still flying a Long Range Science Retrofit because I refuse to switch to the Vesta just for a few extras and plus I really hate that ship anyway. But I do fine in PvP, people who fly the lockbox ships, bugs, timeships etc... I just ignore them because if they are that desperate to win at a free game, its probably more embarrassing for them then it is for you.

Keep in mind that you are not as sad as them and keep on trucking, for fun and adventure

+1.

I choose my ships based on how much they make me smile when I look at them. I'm not in a fleet so I don't have fleet ships. Apart from the Galor for my Fed Tac and a few mirrors I wouldn't touch any lockbox or lobi ship with a very long pole.

I hold my own in PvP, I fill my role better than most in STFs, and I have a lot of fun letting my characters (who are really just extensions of different aspects of my own personality) explore the wonders of the galaxy. Explore and kill Borg.

How do you win a game like STO? Simple. You find ways make yourself smile. Whether that's making some joker in a BoP suck warp plasma when he thinks he's sneaking up on your cruiser for an easy kill, whether that's getting surrounded by borg tactical drones and hack/slashing your way to safety with your trusty bat'leth, whether its discovering a cleverly written and amusing Foundry mission, or whether its suddenly finding yourself severely outmatched and discovering a new interesting way to die.

Its a game. Games are supposed to be fun. Have fun and you win the game.

dan6526 · February 2013

In the Realm of complete optimization, yes some ships are not going to perform.

Fleet ships (or their equivalent) have more console slots and naturally higher shields and hull. In the end, if you are a performance freak, you will need to upgrade ASAP.

But outside that I do believe the following cruisers were obsolete by C-Store ships:

Assault Cruiser (RAdm) - Adv Heavy Cruiser Refit, Assault Cruiser Refit, Support Cruiser Retrofit
Star Cruiser (RAdm) - Oddyssey Star Cruiser (free, not just C-Store)
Exploration Cruiser - By the nature of it's BOFF setup, completely done in by the Oddy
Dreadnaught - Has one purpose, point and shoot alphas, beyond that the AC was better.

The Oddyssey Star Cruiser bundle is what killed them forever though. You had the ability to slot both a universal LtCmdr and Ensign. Even the Oddyssey Star Cruiser that was free (now in fleet store) is obsolete LOL. Here's the cruisers you may look as viable:

Fleet Adv Heavy Cruiser Refit
Fleet Assault Cruiser Refit
Oddyssey Star Cruiser (Sci - Power settings can be offset and consoles are not that useful)
Fleet Support Cruiser Retrofit

I'm also wondering if the Fleet LRSV is made less useful by the Fleet (Nova) SV LOL. I love that ship, the LtCmdr Tactical on my Fleet Nova rocks. I hate the way it looks, but love the way it plays.

baudl · February 2013

warbird001 wrote: »

Truthfully, no ship is obsolete, its the players that make it obsolete. I am still flying a Long Range Science Retrofit because I refuse to switch to the Vesta just for a few extras and plus I really hate that ship anyway. But I do fine in PvP, people who fly the lockbox ships, bugs, timeships etc... I just ignore them because if they are that desperate to win at a free game, its probably more embarrassing for them then it is for you.

Keep in mind that you are not as sad as them and keep on trucking, for fun and adventure

truthfully, that is your opinion, and at that not even one that can hold up to simple facts.
you say you fly a long range science retrofit...namely the voyager, which has a fleet variant that is superior in each and every way imaginable.
Nobody says you need to switch to the vesta if this ship is not your favourite, but considering your ship not obsolete when there is an upgraded version of the very same ship is pure nonsense.
Your argumentations like "i do fine", "if they are that desperate to win..." are pathetic.

your last sentence however, made me laugh hard. Appart from being the most rediculous statement i have read in a long time on this forum (that means a lot) it just shows what type of opinionated casual gamer you are. In the sense of: "That guy beat me, he must be cheating and paying to win"

i do not condamn your approach at the game as just beeing a star trek barbie land, where you choose your ship purley by looks and the only real challenge is to win the next beauty contest on risa, aslong as we do not cross ways in an elite stf or something else. If you wish to underperform constantly, please don't involve others and stay out of elite stf and PVP, you are doing the rest of your team a favour.

If you take the game casual, thats cool, but then live with the consequenz that there are much better players in much better ships around and don't be so smug about your casual approach to the game.

ufpterrell · February 2013

I don't understand all this talk of ships being obsolete. It's nonsense, I fly my Galaxy-R because I like it... and I get on quite well with it. It does some decent team healing and keeps me alive in fleet PvP matches even up against two or three foes. Just because something isn't the super duper brand new ship of the month doesn't mean it's not useful. I use the Nebula too on my Science VA and get on fine too, sure it's a lot slower to turn but it gives an interesting mix of cruiser and science play styles. Hell I went for a spin in my T2.5 Exeter last night! Loved it!

For the record, I have most Fed ships off the C-store inc the Odyssey and Vesta bundles. They're good ships, some might say too good... but I enjoy flying the older ships just the same.

They are NOT obsolete.

baudl · February 2013

ufpterrell wrote: »

I don't understand all this talk of ships being obsolete. It's nonsense, I fly my Galaxy-R because I like it... and I get on quite well with it. It does some decent team healing and keeps me alive in fleet PvP matches even up against two or three foes. Just because something isn't the super duper brand new ship of the month doesn't mean it's not useful. I use the Nebula too on my Science VA and get on fine too, sure it's a lot slower to turn but it gives an interesting mix of cruiser and science play styles. Hell I went for a spin in my T2.5 Exeter last night! Loved it!

For the record, I have most Fed ships off the C-store inc the Odyssey and Vesta bundles. They're good ships, some might say too good... but I enjoy flying the older ships just the same.

They are NOT obsolete.

you don't get it, for both ships you mention there is a fleet upgrade that has superior stats...which makes their non fleet counterpart OBSOLETE.

in the case of the galaxy R, any oddy can copy the boff setup of the galaxy + saucer separation with far superior stats and a bunch of other boff setups.
Nobody says the old ships can't be good, they are just inferior to their fleet counterpart, or some specific new ships on the market.
"And doing fine" doesn't mean that you could do better...
the whole discussion is about 10 console ships makeing 9 console ships obsolete...and since there are the exact same ships you mentioned + many more older versions available now with 10 consoles, it makes utterly no sense to still use the 9 conole counterparts.

That the vesta made the old c-store science vessels with 9 consoles obsolete is a fact, but it is disputeable if the vesta is better than the 10 console fleet versions of those ships. i tend to believe that some still hold up to the vesta.
Same goes for the oddy, which made both the fleet and the normal version of the galaxy-r obsolete.
But if you must have a galaxy-r, because you have the need to feel like picard, get yourself the fleet version. the 9 console version is hopelessly outdated and OBSOLETE, also because of it's boff layout, but thats a different sad story.

zarathos1978 · February 2013

Your argumentations like "i do fine", "if they are that desperate to win..." are pathetic.

Actually, not. Face it: with all the talk about how the player and skill win we all see the videos and read discussions: those who need to win are spending either lot of time or lot of money (or both) on few pixels that give the a little more wagh in a free game.

You (read: OPvP players) can play totaly for free without any sort of investement (money and/or time). And if you are that good as you claim you are, you won't have anything to fear from those PUGers who would fly P2W ships. After all - skill matters.

Yet in the end, after all the moaning, cursing, calling OP on most new ships/consoles that come out we can all see you flying those ships and using those consoles. Why? Because you NEED to win at all price. You are that desperate to win. You are just like those guys who will spend thousands on lockbox ship just to do an ESTF a second faster.

It's your time and your money. But do not be suprised if people find it a little pathetic.

baudl · February 2013

zarathos1978 wrote: »

Actually, not. Face it: with all the talk about how the player and skill win we all see the videos and read discussions: those who need to win are spending either lot of time or lot of money (or both) on few pixels that give the a little more wagh in a free game.

You (read: OPvP players) can play totaly for free without any sort of investement (money and/or time). And if you are that good as you claim you are, you won't have anything to fear from those PUGers who would fly P2W ships. After all - skill matters.

Yet in the end, after all the moaning, cursing, calling OP on most new ships/consoles that come out we can all see you flying those ships and using those consoles. Why? Because you NEED to win at all price. You are that desperate to win. You are just like those guys who will spend thousands on lockbox ship just to do an ESTF a second faster.

It's your time and your money. But do not be suprised if people find it a little pathetic.

yes skill is far more important than the ship you fly, but answer me this: If anybody had to choose between a defiant retrofit and a fleet defiant retrofit...which one would they choose?
If you have the resources to aquire a fleet version of the ship you currently use and you refuse to do so, because you think you do not need it, thats just insane. 5 million EC for the module is not even remotely something worth mentioning as a time investment.

this is not about having the fanciest new toy, which are most of the time questionable "upgrades" at best, it is about upgrading the ships you use to fleet ships with only little time investment (not even considering here real money, since it is not needed for those upgrades, and i personally never did buy c/z points via real cash)

there will allways be a better ship, but atleast people should upgrade to the next best version of their favourite ship. If they choose not to do that, it is their business, but should keep their smug additude towards people who do upgrade to themselves.
All 9 console ships are inferior to their 10 console (fleet version) counterpart...thats a fact and as a consequenz the 9 console version is obsolete. people who upgrade their ship are not interested in P2W, it's simply the evolution of the game and a longterm goal to go for in this game.

ofcourse for roleplaying and star trek barbie, a t1 conny is good enough, but 30+ year old adults playing interactive star trek barbie and ken with a smug additude towards more dedicated players that want to pregress in the game and get better playing it, are the real pathetic group of STO players imho.

zarathos1978 · February 2013

ofcourse for roleplaying and star trek barbie, a t1 conny is good enough, but 30+ year old adults playing interactive star trek barbie and ken with a smug additude towards more dedicated players that want to pregress in the game and get better playing it, are the real pathetic group of STO players imho.

One could say that 30+ years old adults, ready to spent real money or invest real time on bunch of pixel instead somethin more real like... families (or even beer) for example, are pathetic.

Obsolete Ships.

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