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So The Dominion Won The War Afterall
joker8me
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Did Cryptic/PWE re-write Star Trek history or something? There sure are an awful lot of Jem'Hadar & Breen ships in orbit around Earth and Qo'Nos.
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All I know there is an increase in the Federation VA hospitals from dominion war veterans having flashback.
Don't trust the trees man...they are trees man THEY ARE THE TREES!!
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Nope. They lost and we took all their stuff.
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Maybe the Undine really did replace all of us?
The Iconians wiped us out and now we're like that terrible Sci-Fi movie about the videogame that uses real people. :P
The Matrix?
And I agree, the whole "Ferengi just found them in space and then sells them" is pretty weak. I know they had to come up with some explanation, but it could be a bit better.
1) Captured warships are rarely refurbished and returned to active combat duty by the capturing force.
2) Dreadnoughts were in service before Alphas were bred, and I'm fairly certain at least one Dread is shown in the wormhole prior to the Prophets doing their voodoo.
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Nope. Don't you remember? The Valiant was sent to find the prototype. Which reminds me, that ship clearly used Poloron cannons to destroy the Valiant, but the game version can't use cannons. Dreadnaughts were developed in the Alpha Quadrant because the Founders were busy sending the Gamma fleets to 2409. Great job, you omnipotent TRIBBLE holes. Send a fleet of 2800 heavily armed warships to a place and time where no one is prepared for them or even expecting them to still exist. Granted they would have overrun the Alpha quadrant of the 24th century, but a lot of people died stopping them in the 25th. Couldn't just zap them into a black hole or something.
It's 2409. The icecaps would have melted centuries ago.
Two examples in two hundred years is a far cry from dozens, if not hundreds, of "captured" Jemmie warships being fielded by Feds and the KDF. Also, look up what the word "rarely" means.
Valiant was sent to evaluate a newer type of giant Jemmy warship. Not the first giant Jemmy warship. Also, there is zero mention of where said ship was built, so I've yet to see a basis on your unsubstantiated assertion that it's some mythical warbeast built solely for the use of Alpha Jem'Hadar. The Dominion had fielded multiple super-heavy ships since the very beginning of the war.
Also, the STO version can load DHCs.
Actually, I think they did a fairly great job there. The ambassadors of various factions write an agreement, then have another party appear to try to kill everybody. That's one way to encourage cooperation.
Execuse moi, but I believe this statement to not be factual historically.
In actual wars people generally used all the hardware they could get their hands on, ships, tanks, weapons - even, no: especially the enemies - as long as it can be put into a working condition with reasonable effort.
These vessels or weapons might, depending on their prowess or utility, be relegated to duty away from the frontline - but if the equipment is capable of frontline service it will end up there.
After wars the best of this captured (and enemy-leftover) equipment that is still in working condition will end up in reserve stores, research, reserve units, museums or is repatriated/sold et cetera.
Some nice ships might end up staying under flag as some sort of trophy (I believe the Russians still have a captured German ship in use).
He's dead, Jim.
this whole game is just another of Tom Paris's crappy holonovels, next season the game will be in black and white
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It's a lot more than just two. Germany had an entire division of 14 foreign submarines during WWII, and the Allies took dozens of ships from the Axis, and the treaty ended up giving the US an entire class of cutter (one of which is still being used by the Coast Guard). Both sides captured hundreds if not thousands of armor and artillery pieces and millions of guns changed hands.
Few entered service and none stayed in service for long because of cost of operation: There was very little standardization, nothing used the same parts. Ships captured at sea usually came damaged, and ones captured in port or taken as terms of surrender still needed routine maintenance. Without standardized parts, that meant taking a factory line down, converting it, and then doing that again when you were done - all during a time when factories were so heavily pushed to keep up with war demand that consumer goods were in a global shortage. England had a German submarine in service for a while, but the choice came down to fixing it, or continuing to produce standard parts that could repair three English-built subs in the same time. Ammunition didn't match, screws didn't line up, engines were different sizes, gears were different ratios with different tooth spacing... Everything about using foreign hardware was more expensive.
Star Trek has solutions to all those problems, though. The biggest one being that factories no longer use tool and die systems that need to be converted to change from one set of products to another, they use replicators that assemble directly from patterns, so repairing nonstandard parts don't require additional downtime.
In that respect, it's much closer to the era of wooden ships. With hand craftsmanship and no standardization even between ships of the same class let alone ones of different countries, it cost the same to repair an owned ship as a captured one, and captured ships were usually pressed into active service.
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What's sad is it's the exact same story every time, just reworded a bit.
Rumor has it that pay-content is in the works. They have successfully trained us to grind for story content, next step is to get us to pay for it outright.
I was thinking about all this the other day - I believe the reason the lockboxes feature established ships and not new, faction-specific ones (which would make much more sense) is the following:
1. The devs don't have to pay someone to do concept art for "canon" ships.
2. The devs don't have to beg CBS to approve the design they already own.
3. The "kewl" factor among the Trekkie player-base to want to fly a ship they would otherwise never have without that specific faction.
Just a theory....
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Even the US (Coast Guard) is still using a captured German vessel.
The use of enemy ships, if they're useful, has been quite common practice throughout history. The British went through great lengths to prevent the French navy from being captured by the Germans, when they sunk the French Fleet during "Operation Catapult". There even was a huge arguement between the Western Allies after WW1, about which German warship would be awarded to whome...an hour of using google and wikipedia would probably come up with a few hundred ships which were captured or intended to be captured and pressed into foreign service.
Mind you even the first USS Enterprise was originally a British vessel, "liberated" by Benedict Arnold.