"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
The majority of critics and viewers thought he fit just right for Star Trek
I enjoyed the movie for what it was. But it couldn't even pull off convincing technobabble since it was using "science" that even a fifth grader could tell you was nonsense.
I enjoyed the movie for what it was. But it couldn't even pull off convincing technobabble since it was using "science" that even a fifth grader could tell you was nonsense.
"Magic" fits Star Wars better.
To be fair, I think he pulls together decent writers for his sci-fi work but countermands them a bit too much.
Orci and Kurtzman are very capable, IMHO. But J.J. basically cut every explanation and mandated most of the sillier aspects. And they had a similar experience with Bay on Transformers.
I'd actually really like to see Orci and Kurtzman stay onboard for Trek but get paired with a thinking man's director, somebody who is highly detail oriented in some way.
Top picks: Aronofsky, Fincher, Nolan, Richard Kelly, Ronald D. Moore, Jane Espensen.
Partner any of these guys with Orci/Kurtzman. I'd also suggest soliciting Dorothy Fontana or David Gerrold for consultant roles.
I realize it would be just as heretical as J.J. for some people, BTW, but I'd be REALLY intrigued by a Richard Kelly Star Trek.
He has a habit of using real science fairly accurately in places but making it incomprehensibly woven it with weird fantasy elements. I think that could be interesting for Trek because he could really sell the future aspect by making everyone feel like they didn't understand a lick of what they just saw and they weren't supposed to either.
He did Donnie Darko, Southland Tales, The Box. I don't think his prior work is perfect as credentials go but I kinda like the idea of a director doing a type of film he hasn't done before. He's good at working with actors and a range of camera techniques, including explosions and SFX. I think the real trick is pairing him with commercial writers who ground him, kinda like how Mark Frost grounded David Lynch on Twin Peaks.
(It's actually a pretty common pairing in Hollywood. You get an almost borderline schizophrenic artist who makes incomprehensibly dense high art and someone who thinks like a merchandising/advertising exec and force them to collaborate and if they don't kill eachother, the result is almost always great. And REALLY great writers generally can play both roles, reining themselves in.)
I'll also add, this pairing is pretty much what gave us Ghostbusters. Dan Aykroyd has pronounced, I believe diagnosed Asperger's (he identifies publicly as having it) and is very fixated on time travel, UFOs, and the paranormal. And his screenplays are unfilmable, densely packed. I seem to recall that his concept for Ghostbusters had them on a space station and revealed that ghosts were artifacts of time travel and the rate of the universe's expansion creating spatial folds or something like that. And the humor was VERY highbrow. Like, you'd need a Ph.D to get most of it. But pair him up with Harold Ramis and you wind up with Ghostbusters, which is more commercial than anything Aykroyd could do on his own but still, well... I think it stands out as being tremendously more cerebral than Ramis' work on Meatballs or Caddyshack. And Ramis paired with pretty clever writers for Analyze This and Groundhog's Day.
Aykroyd brings the genius, Ramis made it filmable.
Since we're clearly going completely bat@#$% crazy, let's just give it to David Lynch.
The man did Dune.
And, frankly, if he'd stayed on good terms with his stable of actors and this was 1990...
Well, a Captain Kyle MacLachlan would just be AWESOME. Laura Dern as the Doctor.
I doubt you could get Lynch to do Trek but I actually think he'd be surprisingly good at it if he could rein in his weirder impulses. And he used to be pretty good at doing this strategically. I love his newer stuff too but I think David Lynch in the 80s or 90s probably could have done Star Trek and his stable of actors would have been perfect for it.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Oh JJ Wars, I wonder if the openeing crawl will start like this:
Space... the Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Millenium Falcon. Her ongoing mission: to to smuggle contraband from strange worlds, to seek out new opportunities, to boldly out run imperial pursuit like no man has before... or shoot first....
And then show Stormtroopers in red plastic suits.:D
Abrams dodged a bullet with Star Trek. He got majorly lucky that it was accepted by the community as well as it was. I dont think he will fare as well with Star Wars if he tries to pull the same stunt. He should stick to Star Trek, Michael Bay should stuck to Transformers, and they should leave Star Wars to James Cameron or Steven Spielberg. Thats just all there is to it. If Abrams screws with Star Wars like he did with Star Trek, he will most likely never work in hollywood again. And if he does, then people r stupid for letting him
*Me*Why don't you just step away from the weapons console. You and I both know that you couldn't hit that cube, even if it was right in front of us. *Junior Tactical Officer* But sir the cube IS right in front of us. *Me* EXACTLY! Its right in front of us and you still missed it! Just step away from the console.
Abrams dodged a bullet with Star Trek. He got majorly lucky that it was accepted by the community as well as it was. I dont think he will fare as well with Star Wars if he tries to pull the same stunt. He should stick to Star Trek, Michael Bay should stuck to Transformers, and they should leave Star Wars to James Cameron or Steven Spielberg. Thats just all there is to it. If Abrams screws with Star Wars like he did with Star Trek, he will most likely never work in hollywood again. And if he does, then people r stupid for letting him
Yeah, Cameron doing Star Wars LoL... (Vader, standing on the prow of the Executor, arms outstretched, shouting, "I'm the king of the Universe" as the camera pulls back, revealing the Executor in all it's immensity)
Abrams dodged a bullet with Star Trek. He got majorly lucky that it was accepted by the community as well as it was. I dont think he will fare as well with Star Wars if he tries to pull the same stunt. He should stick to Star Trek, Michael Bay should stuck to Transformers, and they should leave Star Wars to James Cameron or Steven Spielberg. Thats just all there is to it. If Abrams screws with Star Wars like he did with Star Trek, he will most likely never work in hollywood again. And if he does, then people r stupid for letting him
I'm sure that taking an aging, decrepit franchise and giving it a new mainstream appeal is causing massive amounts of anger within Hollywood. Disney is surely shaking in their boots in fear that Abrams might do the same with Star Wars.
Yeah, Cameron doing Star Wars LoL... (Vader, standind on the prow of the executor shouting "I'm the king of the Universe" as the camera pulls back, revealing the Executor in all it's immensity)
Shouldn't that be Death Star 3? Change the iceberg to Millennium Falcon and the script is pretty much done.
How about a Star Wars version of Avatar? The movie follows a man working for The Empire to JarJar Binks' home planet Naboo...
J.J.: Yeah, I'd love to do Star Wars 7, unfortunately, the money's not there.
Vader: Perhaps you feel you are being treated unfairly?
J.J.: Yeah, I'd love to do Star Wars 7, it's just that no one can do it better than George did.
Vader: I find your lack of faith, disturbing.'
Producer: J.J., you turned off your I-Phone, is everything alright?
J.J.: Yeah, it's o.k., I'm alright.
Vader: The Force is strong in this one.
J.J.: Yeah, I'd love to do Star Wars 7, but I don't want to get all of Hollywood p/oed at me.
Vader: The power of Hollywood is insignificant, next to the power of the Force.
And... last, but not least...
Vader: J.J. ABRAMS IS HERE, AND THE FORCE IS WITH HIM!
I know it isn't Star Trek Online related but considering he directed the last two Star Trek films in a re-boot I figured I might as well share this information and see how the STO Community feels about this and their opinion on the Abram-Verse.
Disney has just confirmed J.J. Abrams will direct Star Wars: Episode VII. Screenplay is written by Michael Arndt. Abrams, his longtime producing partner Bryan Burk, and Bad Robot are producing along with Kathleen Kennedy under the Disney/Lucasfilm banner.
Comments on previous blogs;__
[*]This will be classic! It?s nice to know JJ didn?t stop at Good Times and has decided to further his career. DYN-O-MITE!!!!__
[*]Thank you, God. I love George Lucas but man, those last three Star Wars movies sucked... So did the last Star Trek?__
[*]Agreed.. The last Star Trek did suck. Hopefully JJ will realize that shaking the camera does not make a good movie?__
[*]Agreed. Doing Star Wars is a much better fit for JJ than Star Trek. His first Star Trek film in 2009 (and presumably the new one this year) was really a Star Wars film dressed up with ships and characters from Star Trek. I am *not* complaining about the changes that he made to the timeline (destruction of Vulcan, etc.); those things are to be expected in a re-boot of a franchise. I *am* complaining that he never captured the *feel* of Star Trek, the optimism and hope of humanity being better in the future, the plots that made you think, rather than being slugfests and car chases.
I sincerely hope JJ will do well with the Star Wars film, and that he?ll be at the helm of the two that follow. Hopefully, that will keep him so occupied that he will drop Star Trek altogether.__
[*]You?re crazy? Star Trek rocked.__
[*]This is fine as long as he stays true to the universe and the mythos, unlike what he pulled with Star Trek, or at the very least leaves that lens flare BS at home when he makes the journey to A Galaxy Far Far Away.
I did try to balance out the pro & con comments posted on previous sites but the Pro were less argumentive such as "It rocked" or "Your stupid, it was awsome"!
What are your opinions? How will it effect Star Trek? What do you think of his previous work and/or the re-boot? And who is John Harrison?
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The majority of critics and viewers thought he fit just right for Star Trek:
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/star-trek
It will be interesting to see whether the Star Wars movie he directs gets a higher score than ST09 or Into Darkness.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
Or the Disney lawyers threatened to Force-choke him if he revealed it before they were ready.
I enjoyed the movie for what it was. But it couldn't even pull off convincing technobabble since it was using "science" that even a fifth grader could tell you was nonsense.
"Magic" fits Star Wars better.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
To be fair, I think he pulls together decent writers for his sci-fi work but countermands them a bit too much.
Orci and Kurtzman are very capable, IMHO. But J.J. basically cut every explanation and mandated most of the sillier aspects. And they had a similar experience with Bay on Transformers.
I'd actually really like to see Orci and Kurtzman stay onboard for Trek but get paired with a thinking man's director, somebody who is highly detail oriented in some way.
Top picks: Aronofsky, Fincher, Nolan, Richard Kelly, Ronald D. Moore, Jane Espensen.
Partner any of these guys with Orci/Kurtzman. I'd also suggest soliciting Dorothy Fontana or David Gerrold for consultant roles.
He has a habit of using real science fairly accurately in places but making it incomprehensibly woven it with weird fantasy elements. I think that could be interesting for Trek because he could really sell the future aspect by making everyone feel like they didn't understand a lick of what they just saw and they weren't supposed to either.
He did Donnie Darko, Southland Tales, The Box. I don't think his prior work is perfect as credentials go but I kinda like the idea of a director doing a type of film he hasn't done before. He's good at working with actors and a range of camera techniques, including explosions and SFX. I think the real trick is pairing him with commercial writers who ground him, kinda like how Mark Frost grounded David Lynch on Twin Peaks.
(It's actually a pretty common pairing in Hollywood. You get an almost borderline schizophrenic artist who makes incomprehensibly dense high art and someone who thinks like a merchandising/advertising exec and force them to collaborate and if they don't kill eachother, the result is almost always great. And REALLY great writers generally can play both roles, reining themselves in.)
I'll also add, this pairing is pretty much what gave us Ghostbusters. Dan Aykroyd has pronounced, I believe diagnosed Asperger's (he identifies publicly as having it) and is very fixated on time travel, UFOs, and the paranormal. And his screenplays are unfilmable, densely packed. I seem to recall that his concept for Ghostbusters had them on a space station and revealed that ghosts were artifacts of time travel and the rate of the universe's expansion creating spatial folds or something like that. And the humor was VERY highbrow. Like, you'd need a Ph.D to get most of it. But pair him up with Harold Ramis and you wind up with Ghostbusters, which is more commercial than anything Aykroyd could do on his own but still, well... I think it stands out as being tremendously more cerebral than Ramis' work on Meatballs or Caddyshack. And Ramis paired with pretty clever writers for Analyze This and Groundhog's Day.
Aykroyd brings the genius, Ramis made it filmable.
Gives me a headache just thinking about it. :cool:
The man did Dune.
And, frankly, if he'd stayed on good terms with his stable of actors and this was 1990...
Well, a Captain Kyle MacLachlan would just be AWESOME. Laura Dern as the Doctor.
I doubt you could get Lynch to do Trek but I actually think he'd be surprisingly good at it if he could rein in his weirder impulses. And he used to be pretty good at doing this strategically. I love his newer stuff too but I think David Lynch in the 80s or 90s probably could have done Star Trek and his stable of actors would have been perfect for it.
Saw the same news, so guess they must've gave him an offer he couldn't refuse. :cool:
Though some question is if there will be a Star Trek 3?
The Search for More Money?
Space... the Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Millenium Falcon. Her ongoing mission: to to smuggle contraband from strange worlds, to seek out new opportunities, to boldly out run imperial pursuit like no man has before... or shoot first....
And then show Stormtroopers in red plastic suits.:D
Would be interesting to see more realistic fighting styles.
*Junior Tactical Officer* But sir the cube IS right in front of us.
*Me* EXACTLY! Its right in front of us and you still missed it! Just step away from the console.
Yeah, Cameron doing Star Wars LoL... (Vader, standing on the prow of the Executor, arms outstretched, shouting, "I'm the king of the Universe" as the camera pulls back, revealing the Executor in all it's immensity)
Yeah...
That's not really one to put in the "Pro" column.
JJ's gonna hack the SW continuity to pieces like ST.
They shoulda let Ben Affleck direct it !
BAD DISNEY ! BAD !!!
:mad::mad::mad:
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Disney has altered the deal. Pray they don't alter it any further.
I'm sure that taking an aging, decrepit franchise and giving it a new mainstream appeal is causing massive amounts of anger within Hollywood. Disney is surely shaking in their boots in fear that Abrams might do the same with Star Wars.
How about a Star Wars version of Avatar? The movie follows a man working for The Empire to JarJar Binks' home planet Naboo...
J.J.: Yeah, I'd love to do Star Wars 7, unfortunately, the money's not there.
Vader: Perhaps you feel you are being treated unfairly?
J.J.: Yeah, I'd love to do Star Wars 7, it's just that no one can do it better than George did.
Vader: I find your lack of faith, disturbing.'
Producer: J.J., you turned off your I-Phone, is everything alright?
J.J.: Yeah, it's o.k., I'm alright.
Vader: The Force is strong in this one.
J.J.: Yeah, I'd love to do Star Wars 7, but I don't want to get all of Hollywood p/oed at me.
Vader: The power of Hollywood is insignificant, next to the power of the Force.
And... last, but not least...
Vader: J.J. ABRAMS IS HERE, AND THE FORCE IS WITH HIM!
Disney has just confirmed J.J. Abrams will direct Star Wars: Episode VII. Screenplay is written by Michael Arndt. Abrams, his longtime producing partner Bryan Burk, and Bad Robot are producing along with Kathleen Kennedy under the Disney/Lucasfilm banner.
Comments on previous blogs;__
[*]This will be classic! It?s nice to know JJ didn?t stop at Good Times and has decided to further his career. DYN-O-MITE!!!!__
[*]Thank you, God. I love George Lucas but man, those last three Star Wars movies sucked... So did the last Star Trek?__
[*]Agreed.. The last Star Trek did suck. Hopefully JJ will realize that shaking the camera does not make a good movie?__
[*]Agreed. Doing Star Wars is a much better fit for JJ than Star Trek. His first Star Trek film in 2009 (and presumably the new one this year) was really a Star Wars film dressed up with ships and characters from Star Trek. I am *not* complaining about the changes that he made to the timeline (destruction of Vulcan, etc.); those things are to be expected in a re-boot of a franchise. I *am* complaining that he never captured the *feel* of Star Trek, the optimism and hope of humanity being better in the future, the plots that made you think, rather than being slugfests and car chases.
I sincerely hope JJ will do well with the Star Wars film, and that he?ll be at the helm of the two that follow. Hopefully, that will keep him so occupied that he will drop Star Trek altogether.__
[*]You?re crazy? Star Trek rocked.__
[*]This is fine as long as he stays true to the universe and the mythos, unlike what he pulled with Star Trek, or at the very least leaves that lens flare BS at home when he makes the journey to A Galaxy Far Far Away.
I did try to balance out the pro & con comments posted on previous sites but the Pro were less argumentive such as "It rocked" or "Your stupid, it was awsome"!
What are your opinions? How will it effect Star Trek? What do you think of his previous work and/or the re-boot? And who is John Harrison?
Episode Four - Head Of A Needle Episode Five: The Duality of Men Episode Six - Redemption Earned
Episode Seven - Shattered Universe Episode Eight - The Gepetto Condition Episode Nine - One Room, Two Officers
Episode Ten - Beyond The Farthest Star Episode Eleven - It's OK, It Won't Hurt Episode Twelve - A Protracted Officer
Episode Thirteen - Somewhen Episode Fourteen - The Boy Who Lived Episode Fifthteen - Empathy