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Now the Feds can get the bio-neural warhead in the new lockbox...

dma1986dma1986 Member Posts: 541 Arc User
edited January 2013 in Klingon Discussion
How long until they start crying you can't use high-yield or spread with it? :P


And how long until Cryptic let them :(
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  • portgazdportgazd Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    LOL thanks for the post. You just made my day XD
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  • tatyanasergeitatyanasergei Member Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Ugh. What happened to all of Cryptic's talk of PVP and KDF getting some help? These new lockbox prizes are awful.
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  • woodwhitywoodwhity Member Posts: 2,636 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Ugh. What happened to all of Cryptic's talk of PVP and KDF getting some help? These new lockbox prizes are awful.

    Yeah, Klingons might be not so much OP after it ;)
  • ooiueooiue Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    At least they didn't get the plasmonic leech... yet
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  • kimmymkimmym Member Posts: 1,317 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Meh, Bio-neurals are over rated. I have them. Most times I'd rather load a tric. They don't respond to torp doffs. They don't respond to HY/spread. They have a giant "Target me or AE nao!" sign hovering over their head.

    Not to bad if you really want a tric in a ship you can't fit HY on... But elsewise why bother?
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  • dom1941dom1941 Member Posts: 156 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    pff even NCP ships know how to destroy the warheads. Tractor beam.:D
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  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Highly overrated weapon anyway. nice while leveling, after that a turret does more overall dmg and the burst (the explosion) is not that great either.
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  • hawks3052hawks3052 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I'm more concerned that he Feds now can get a full fledged 2 bay carrier.
  • nalonalo Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Need aHug Brave Warrior:rolleyes:
  • burstorionburstorion Member Posts: 1,750 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Feds should not have the bioneural nuke...I say this as a player who plays on both sides - Simply put, have you ever read the description of the weapon? its an sentient AI created to be blown up - the Federation would -never- allow starfleet to even contemplate using such a weapon (its akin to stuffing a child into a kamikaze jet fighter)

    Considering how much sto claims to retain canon, it sure does not look like it from where I'm sitting
  • bespin18bespin18 Member Posts: 78 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    hawks3052 wrote: »
    I'm more concerned that he Feds now can get a full fledged 2 bay carrier.

    Feds have HAD a full 2 bay carrier for awhile now, the Atrox not to mention the recluse.... feds having fulll carriers is nothing new
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I'm looking forward to having PSW torpedoes on my B'rel.
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  • andoriansrusandoriansrus Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    PSW Torps Roach ?
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Photonic shock wave , is that not what the nadeon console does?
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Photonic shock wave , is that not what the nadeon console does?

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  • d3cubedd3cubed Member Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    bespin18 wrote: »
    Feds have HAD a full 2 bay carrier for awhile now, the Atrox not to mention the recluse.... feds having fulll carriers is nothing new

    Yes, but they've never been able to launch frigates before (admittedly the number of players getting that ability wil be ridiculously small)
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  • dma1986dma1986 Member Posts: 541 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Photonic shock wave , is that not what the nadeon console does?
    Yep. From the wiki: The Photonic Shockwave Torpedo moves at the same speed as a normal torpedo and is not targetable. When it detonates it triggers a Photonic Shockwave that disables and repels targets in the area of effect.

    Photonic Shockwave, for anyone that doesn't know: The Photonic Shockwave ability emits a blast of a 3 km radius around your ship, knocking back enemy ships, inflicting kinetic damage as well as disabling enemy ships for a couple of seconds. Shields drastically reduce the effect of kinetic damage.

    So basically, Feds get a torp that can (theoretically) make a hole in the shields by itself, so the actual torpedo impacts on bare hull.

    We get a torp that, if it hits shields, has most of its secondary ability nullified by said shields.
  • bubblygumsworthbubblygumsworth Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    dma1986 wrote: »
    Yep. From the wiki: The Photonic Shockwave Torpedo moves at the same speed as a normal torpedo and is not targetable. When it detonates it triggers a Photonic Shockwave that disables and repels targets in the area of effect.

    Photonic Shockwave, for anyone that doesn't know: The Photonic Shockwave ability emits a blast of a 3 km radius around your ship, knocking back enemy ships, inflicting kinetic damage as well as disabling enemy ships for a couple of seconds. Shields drastically reduce the effect of kinetic damage.

    So basically, Feds get a torp that can (theoretically) make a hole in the shields by itself, so the actual torpedo impacts on bare hull.

    We get a torp that, if it hits shields, has most of its secondary ability nullified by said shields.

    Combined with a spread and the shock wave chain doff, this will be fun
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  • chakittychakitty Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    hawks3052 wrote: »
    I'm more concerned that he Feds now can get a full fledged 2 bay carrier.

    Fed's had access to a full carrier since they got the Atrox.
  • branmakmorrnbranmakmorrn Member Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    dma1986 wrote: »
    Yep. From the wiki: The Photonic Shockwave Torpedo moves at the same speed as a normal torpedo and is not targetable. When it detonates it triggers a Photonic Shockwave that disables and repels targets in the area of effect.

    Photonic Shockwave, for anyone that doesn't know: The Photonic Shockwave ability emits a blast of a 3 km radius around your ship, knocking back enemy ships, inflicting kinetic damage as well as disabling enemy ships for a couple of seconds. Shields drastically reduce the effect of kinetic damage.

    So basically, Feds get a torp that can (theoretically) make a hole in the shields by itself, so the actual torpedo impacts on bare hull.

    We get a torp that, if it hits shields, has most of its secondary ability nullified by said shields.

    Meh, Just eject a warp core in its general direction.
    Works every time.
    Wait... Ejecting the warp core works for everyTHING, too....


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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    mimey2 wrote: »
    Welcome back! :D

    Ty. It seems I could not escape....
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  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Meh, Just eject a warp core in its general direction.
    Works every time.
    Wait... Ejecting the warp core works for everyTHING, too....


    /10warpcores

    They try but you gotta be a super noob to fall for that especially since most people are cloaked in pvp are using some kind of bop which is usually using some kind of hyper impulse or use engine battery + evasive and they got no chance at decloaking with that.

    Reminds me too for us with the little torpedo thingy we get its utterly useless because we don't really have much use for using something that only goes after klingon cloaked ships much less KDF sci's have sensor scan but yet its utterly useless for decloaking because we don't really fight anything that cloaks lol. So its easy to see the fed toons always are getting the better deal.
  • ussultimatumussultimatum Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    dma1986 wrote: »
    How long until they start crying you can't use high-yield or spread with it? :P


    And how long until Cryptic let them:(


    The irony of this is that after the lockbox was announced, and the inevitable (yes it's inevitable, time to harden up a bit) launch of the next cross-faction console - there have been 2 threads already in the KDF subforums complaining about it and not even a blip on the radar anywhere else.


    I get criticized for posting against the grain like this but the truth is I try not to read the KDF subforums at all at this point because it makes me not want to play my KDF characters.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    The irony of this is that after the lockbox was announced, and the inevitable (yes it's inevitable, time to harden up a bit) launch of the next cross-faction console - there have been 2 threads already in the KDF subforums complaining about it and not even a blip on the radar anywhere else.

    I get criticized for posting against the grain like this but the truth is I try not to read the KDF subforums at all at this point because it makes me not want to play my KDF characters.

    There were some Canon Fed threads during the speculation period. Bio-Neural simply doesn't make sense for the Federation in the sense of what it is. Even though I figured it would be Bio/Nadeon after the changes to Nadeon - with that I still figured they'd have to retool the description of the Bio-Neural before giving it to the Feds.

    Still, there have been a few discussions about it. Feds complaining that they got Bio while the KDF got Nadeon. KDF complaining that they got Nadeon while the Feds got Bio. Each thinking the other got the better deal...it's kind of funny, eh?

    Like having two kids, siblings - one that likes chocolate and one that likes strawberry ice cream. Give the strawberry to the chocolate kid and chocolate to the strawberry kid, they're both going to complain. Might as well be Ford v Chevy, AMD v Intel, etc, etc, etc.
  • silverashes1silverashes1 Member Posts: 192 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    kdf does have a ligitamet right to complane. the remaining consoles to be cross factioned have no real use for kdf. PSW? i had completey forgot that it existed until i saw the notes because of its lack of use. never seen anyone ever use the grappler ever, the seeker torp it practically useless to the kdf since only 2 fed ships have cloaks and there are far easier ways to disable engins. any more cross faction consoles will only hurt the kdf while taking away the unique gear for them. as for the leach? if feds get that it will be worse than the kdf because every fed will use it to get back at the kdf and the whole game will be one giant power suckfest.


    it is my opinion that more cross faction consoles will kill or severely harm the kdf an already small and limited faction in terms of ship versatility due to the feds larger number of ships and player base
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  • ussultimatumussultimatum Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Bio-Neural simply doesn't make sense for the Federation in the sense of what it is. Even though I figured it would be Bio/Nadeon after the changes to Nadeon - with that I still figured they'd have to retool the description of the Bio-Neural before giving it to the Feds.

    That's just laziness on Cryptic's part. All they needed to do was change the flavor text.

    The Bio-neural warhead doesn't even come from any Klingon source in canon so I don't even believe it makes sense for Klingons as they were presented in the shows.

    It's only this game where the KDF has been made into some bizarre evil monster race where things like the Bio-neural warhead and plasmonic leech suddenly make sense (although some factions of Klingon houses in the shows/movies seem ready to stoop to the level of using weapons like this, it never seemed like that was a universal trait across all Klingons)



    kdf does have a ligitamet right to complane. the remaining consoles to be cross factioned have no real use for kdf.......any more cross faction consoles will only hurt the kdf while taking away the unique gear for them.



    You can't have both, either you are getting the short end of the stick and trading your awesome consoles for the relatively crappier Fed consoles or you are not losing anything because apparently KDF doesn't have better toy consoles (paraphrasing what other posters sometimes say).

    So which is it? Does the KDF have clearly better toy consoles that they are "losing" or do they not?
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    kdf does have a ligitamet right to complane. the remaining consoles to be cross factioned have no real use for kdf. PSW? i had completey forgot that it existed until i saw the notes because of its lack of use. never seen anyone ever use the grappler ever, the seeker torp it practically useless to the kdf since only 2 fed ships have cloaks and there are far easier ways to disable engins. any more cross faction consoles will only hurt the kdf while taking away the unique gear for them. as for the leach? if feds get that it will be worse than the kdf because every fed will use it to get back at the kdf and the whole game will be one giant power suckfest.


    it is my opinion that more cross faction consoles will kill or severely harm the kdf an already small and limited faction in terms of ship versatility due to the feds larger number of ships and player base

    So, if I read it right, you blame feds for having trash consoles, that Cryptic sells them right ? Hillarious.

    Ok then, on the behalf of whole fed faction, I sincirely apologize, that Cryptic sells us trash consoles in lowbie ships.
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  • dma1986dma1986 Member Posts: 541 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    dalnar83 wrote: »
    So, if I read it right, you blame feds for having trash consoles, that Cryptic sells them right ? Hillarious.

    Ok then, on the behalf of whole fed faction, I sincirely apologize, that Cryptic sells us trash consoles in lowbie ships.
    Trash consoles or not, lowbie ships or not, this is the first exchange where the KDF item has had a lower ship Zen-cost than the Fed.

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    [Console - Universal - Graviton Pulse Generator] Pach Raptor Refit 1,500Z
    [Console - Universal - Impulse Capacitance Cell] Escort Refit 750Z

    Ferengi Box
    [Console - Universal - Vent Theta Radiation] Scourge Destroyer 1,500Z
    [Console - Universal - Photonic Displacer] Science Vessel Refit 750Z

    Tholian Box
    [Console - Universal - Subspace Jumper] Ki'tang Bird-of-Prey Refit 1,500Z
    [Console - Universal - Disruptor Point Defense System] Heavy Escort Refit 1,000Z

    Temporal Box
    [Console - Universal - Isometric Charge] Vor'cha Battle Cruiser Refit 1,500Z
    [Console - Universal - Antimatter Spread] Exploration Cruiser Refit 1,500Z

    Dominion Box
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I've always said it was a balancing thing, a rationalization of sorts if one will... the KDF got the better consoles because the Feds got the better ships. It's how Cryptic went around "trying" to balance things as well as trying to sell more things.

    If the Feds maintain the better ships while also picking up the better consoles, it's not hard to see where the KDF would complain...no?

    Perhaps above and beyond just the consoles being crossfaction - the consoles should have had ship modifiers applied to them.

    Say you have a Better Ship with a Worse Console.
    And you have a Worse Ship with a Better Console.

    The Better Console on the Better Ship would be Worse than the Better Console on the Worse Ship.

    The Worse Console on the Worse Ship would be Better than the Worse Console on the Better Ship.

    That sort of thing, eh?
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    dma1986 wrote: »
    Trash consoles or not, lowbie ships or not, this is the first exchange where the KDF item has had a lower ship Zen-cost than the Fed.

    Thing is, it's not just about Z cost - though Z cost does come into it.

    Look at the EC cost on the Exchange for Theta.
    Look at the EC cost on the Exchange for AMS.

    Both share the same Z cost...but they have wildly different EC costs on the Exchange.
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