No one has been able to offer any compelling argument against it, other than "I don't want other people to be able to do it", which is not sufficient reason to deny it.
This is a (fairly) easy revenue stream for Cryptic and an easy win.
As long as you can do it only once per char no matter what it's ok; changing your specie every week sounds rather silly. Once, ok. But not for the c-store races. There are too many caitians out there! It's supposed to be Star Trek online, not space furries online.
I've outlived my love for being an Orion. If I was an Orion for real I would do everything in my power to leave that group. But I've gathered quite the arsenal of ships and bound equipment.
If you think I'd be jumping species from week to week, you're on the pipe. But if I was, why should you care? I'd be paying real dollars for it. Supporting the people who run this game.
For the people that are against this for RP reasons; Picard did this atleast twice that I know of.
Most of my toons are Aliens so I could choose my own traits, then my builds are around that.
If I where to change just one of my toons it would stuff everything, my bridge officer bonuses and my doff bonuses my ship wouldn't handle like it supposed to and all sorts of TRIBBLE.
Fed side, being Human with all Human Bridge officers and Doffs on active duty get a nice bonuses change the Human captain and you loose all that.
This is a valid argument for why you personally wouldn't want to do it--not one for the option being denied to everyone. There are too many people in the world who can?t distinguish between these things.
While changing your ship and changing your crew is one thing, undergoing genetic reassuring and species transition is insane. Your base traits should be what you brought onto the deck when you walked into Starfleet Academy. These base traits should not be changed willy-nilly.
This is just silly. The idea here is that your character was always this race, it just wasn't available at the time, you were new to the game and didn't know better, or what have you. This is nott a TV show where the continuity of individual characters affects anyone.
Also, there has to be some form of adaptation and adjustment to different races playing different careers on different ships. A Vulcan Science office Captaining a cruiser should feel different than a Andorian Engineer in an escort. And you should just have to work with that. If you don't like the toon, Flush out of the academy, (reroll) and start over with a new character.
Just my two cents. Sometimes you have to start over.
Again, this is imposing your personal aesthetics on everyone else. If a new race becomes available I may not have the time or inclination to re-level them to 50 and grind up all the reputations, etc. There is no argument here; just a "I wouldn't do it and no one should do anything I wouldn't" statement.
Lots of ridiculous 'I'm against it!' arguments in this thread. Calling species changes a violation of 'realism' is absurd. We already get to completely redo the skills our characters, something that has a lot more impact on gameplay and is entirely unrealistic as well, or do you guys start a new character every time you want different skills? So who the hell cares if a player wants to change his characters species?
Lots of ridiculous 'I'm against it!' arguments in this thread. Calling species changes a violation of 'realism' is absurd. We already get to completely redo the skills our characters, something that has a lot more impact on gameplay and is entirely unrealistic as well, or do you guys start a new character every time you want different skills? So who the hell cares if a player wants to change his characters species?
This. Exactly.
I do not see the issue. If you can change your Alien character in dramatic ways every day; It does not impact me in the slightest.
Some of you nay sayers act as if you watch specific players minute by minute to see if they have stayed in character.
Against. It would be like you choosing to go from human to dog. How? What weird way would that EVER work? Let's at least keep some level of sanity.
It's canon.
1)DS9-Kira to Cardassian
2)DS9-Gul Dukat to Bajoran
3)DS9-Cardassian agent to Human
4)DS9-Odo to Human
5)Enterprise-Archer, Hoshi and Reed to Alien
6)TNG-LaForge to Alien
I'm sure there's some that I missed.
As new races will be added in the future, Delta quadrant been one mentioned, such as Kazon and Talaxian and almost certainly to be added Romulans/Cardassains.
The species retrait would make sense to be included with the trait respecc.
Perhaps there could also be added made avaliable a reptutation respecc.
As new races will be added in the future, Delta quadrant been one mentioned, such as Kazon and Talaxian and almost certainly to be added Romulans/Cardassains.
The species retrait would make sense to be included with the trait respecc.
Perhaps there could also be added made avaliable a reptutation respecc.
KDF = Kazon.. known as Space Rednecks( Honorless dogs....barf barf.. :P ).
FED = Talaxian... yaay , cant wait for my Neelix character .
IT would be nice to see re-species and re-trait tokens...but only 1 per character/account( you can only use it once on character or account and that is it).
So basically, some people say no respecies token. But if you are an alien, you have respecies for free whenever you want. It's another good reason to pick alien over anything else.
I think a single respecies per character would be good. Respecies once, and never do it again. Or add one when they release a new race, but you can only have one respecies available at any time (IE you can't keep the respecies token so you have several of them later).
About a third faction, I don't beleive it will come. I'm sure we will simply have the new races romulan, cadassian, whatever, and pick a faction sooner or later. New Romulus can be used as an excuse, since they are ally with both. People want to see Romulan and Cardassian as playable species, and cryptic is to busy to create a 3rd faction (and finish the 2nd faction), it seems the most logical choice to me.
This makes sense to me, to work with what alien makers are doing make it so you can only respecies to that race for the limited period of the species introduction.
I haven't had a chance to read up on the whole thread again yet, so forgive me if I repeat others.
From a financial point Cryptic can either;
Not offer a respec [now that I'm learning my terms]
This would mean that people would have to look at buying more character slots. I do not remeber, but is it 800 for 2? Personally, if I make a new character [I have one slot saved for Romulans] I would just doff to max level unless there actually is a true [even mini is fine with me] faction with story to play. However, I did this with my KDF character because I wasnt that interested.
Offer a respec
People would then be able to BUY a respec. I would say made it 1000 points. Again, as I stated, price it so it isn't a "change at whim" like Dstahl mentioned.
If they do, again I might use it on my KDF lethean. If they do not, I won't mind either.
Sorry if the format is totally bad when I post. Did this on my phone at work.
To solve the issue Dstahl raised about people changing species every 2 mins the Re-Species token should have the following:
Be Character bound;
High price tag (1000 Zen), and;
6 month cool down (per character).
These 3 things will solve Dstahls' concerns over people changing species at a whim.
So, you could buy three tokens if you like, but once you have used one on one Toon, that Toon has a 6 month cool down before you can use a Re-Species token on them again. But the cool down does not affect using another token on another Toon.
I hear people all the time, including myself, talk about all the work and time they have put into old characters, but want to change the species without losing all the accolades, gear, etc, etc.
I hear people all the time, including myself, talk about all the work and time they have put into old characters, but want to change the species without losing all the accolades, gear, etc, etc....
Myself included. If only I had known I could play as a Caitian before I created my Feddy....
Also, I know that changing might get spammed in a similar way as respec. My remedy idea? Make this respecies a one time thing, like say, to celebrate STO's 3rd Year.
By that, I was meaning this could be done specifically during the Anniversary Event. Of course, I was hoping it could be done for the Q's Winter Wonderland, but that ended up not happening. If anyone could permanently change your species, it would be Q. So, my suggestion is to do this during the STO Anniversaries.
I'm more inclined to make Species respecs a combo in-game/out-of-game purchase.
So you have C-Store trait respec tokens. (Probably tradeable.)
And then you have a personal rep-style project to upgrade it.
Having a cooldown adds to tech requirements and is the kind of tech requirement that it could take YEARS for Cryptic to find time to add. Making it solely cost ZEN would cause outrage over the price necessary to keep it scarce without a cooldown; without a cooldown, I think the figure needed would probably be $20+.
Saying "no species respecs, reroll" runs contrary to per character unlocks and lockbox ships and reputation/DOff progress. It isn't a simple thing to do. It could cost hundreds of dollars and hundreds of hours to do properly. It's such a high hurdle that people would quit over it. Beyond this, it makes it unfair for Cryptic to radically alter species traits. Say they decided to scrap all Klingon or Human traits and start over. They should be able to do that. But if they do that without a species respec, it creates a TREMENDOUS burden for players through no fault of the players affected. It also discourages species sales on the C-Store.
What they need to do is have it be a project that takes:
A C-Store bought Trait Respec, dilithium, and some form of reagent.
I favor purple BOs as the reagent. Why? Because they're silly cheap on the exchange right now without a sink. Because it allows Cryptic to both restrict respecs to certain species and enable respecs to species that are exotic.
Say the project requires four BOs of the target species you want to respec to. Want to be a KDF Ferengi? You can do it if Cryptic releases 4 KDF Ferengi BOs and 4 BOs of a species are required.
Overall, it also gives them a lot of control if species respec tokens are NOT "respec to ANY species" but are "Respec to a SPECIFIC species." They could make a Romulan Respec token contingent on maxing out Romulan rep and visiting a T3 Embassy then. They can put Bynars Species Respecs in lockboxes so that not every friggin' lockbox needs to be based around a ship. They can have upgraded versions of normal species as respecs in the Fleet store (ie. Superior Human Respec Token as a +1 human species with new thematic human traits). The idea of prestige +1 species that can be respecced to also provides balance against the crazy alien customization if they want to reduce the "Star Wars Cantina" look of the game... or it can allow them to release a Superior Alien Respec Token that turns you into an Alien with more facial costume parts unlocked.
Species respecs are advantageous to design and a necessity for players.
Cooldowns are an unrealistic tech restriction on them.
I believe the solution is a price that uses a combination of C-Store and in-game assets and which is a respec token for a particular target species, which may include species not available at character creation.
I'm more inclined to make Species respecs a combo in-game/out-of-game purchase.
So you have C-Store trait respec tokens. (Probably tradeable.)
And then you have a personal rep-style project to upgrade it.
Having a cooldown adds to tech requirements and is the kind of tech requirement that it could take YEARS for Cryptic to find time to add. Making it solely cost ZEN would cause outrage over the price necessary to keep it scarce without a cooldown; without a cooldown, I think the figure needed would probably be $20+.
Saying "no species respecs, reroll" runs contrary to per character unlocks and lockbox ships and reputation/DOff progress. It isn't a simple thing to do. It could cost hundreds of dollars and hundreds of hours to do properly. It's such a high hurdle that people would quit over it. Beyond this, it makes it unfair for Cryptic to radically alter species traits. Say they decided to scrap all Klingon or Human traits and start over. They should be able to do that. But if they do that without a species respec, it creates a TREMENDOUS burden for players through no fault of the players affected. It also discourages species sales on the C-Store.
What they need to do is have it be a project that takes:
A C-Store bought Trait Respec, dilithium, and some form of reagent.
I favor purple BOs as the reagent. Why? Because they're silly cheap on the exchange right now without a sink. Because it allows Cryptic to both restrict respecs to certain species and enable respecs to species that are exotic.
Say the project requires four BOs of the target species you want to respec to. Want to be a KDF Ferengi? You can do it if Cryptic releases 4 KDF Ferengi BOs and 4 BOs of a species are required.
Overall, it also gives them a lot of control if species respec tokens are NOT "respec to ANY species" but are "Respec to a SPECIFIC species." They could make a Romulan Respec token contingent on maxing out Romulan rep and visiting a T3 Embassy then. They can put Bynars Species Respecs in lockboxes so that not every friggin' lockbox needs to be based around a ship. They can have upgraded versions of normal species as respecs in the Fleet store (ie. Superior Human Respec Token as a +1 human species with new thematic human traits). The idea of prestige +1 species that can be respecced to also provides balance against the crazy alien customization if they want to reduce the "Star Wars Cantina" look of the game... or it can allow them to release a Superior Alien Respec Token that turns you into an Alien with more facial costume parts unlocked.
Species respecs are advantageous to design and a necessity for players.
Cooldowns are an unrealistic tech restriction on them.
I believe the solution is a price that uses a combination of C-Store and in-game assets and which is a respec token for a particular target species, which may include species not available at character creation.
You do realize you idea also requires tech. Tech, which may or may not have to be created from scratch in order to implement a whole new system. I am not saying it isn't without merit, but that is a lot of work, for what would be for Cryptic, little gain.
Not to mention, by including non-olayer species you have to essentially create a player species, without the benefit of it being in the character creation. it isn't as simple as using an NPC of a Cardassian to make a Cardassian captain. NPC have restricted move sets that don't work when you have a player controling them. so again you have a lot of work on Cryptics part for something I don't see getting a large gain.
Creating a Re-species token (and that is what we are talking about, retrait has already been said, it is happening) that either has a long cooldown or is limited to a one time use per character is fair more practical and doable from cryptics part and pretty much covers what the playerbase wants.
Lets face it, whether you regret what you made as a species, or you want to make an alien into a legitmate player species. Chances are you are only going to respecies any given character once, and will most likely be happy. Too not everyone, Some will want to respecies whenever and for whatever they want, but I think this will be a relatively small minority in the overall community.
It is perfectly fair for them to make you re roll a character I have an alien Romulan, and it would be fair for me to have to re roll a new Romulan....I don't know any mmo that lets you re species.
It is perfectly fair to ask for both re-trait and re-race tokens as long as players who need or want it are waving with dollars in their hands.
If you do not like it...well tough luck.
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The Italian STO community WANT a re-trait token. I can take the signatures if you want , but it's about more than 200 players with thousands of toons :eek: Think about the ZEN!!!
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No one has been able to offer any compelling argument against it, other than "I don't want other people to be able to do it", which is not sufficient reason to deny it.
This is a (fairly) easy revenue stream for Cryptic and an easy win.
Do it, please!
I've outlived my love for being an Orion. If I was an Orion for real I would do everything in my power to leave that group. But I've gathered quite the arsenal of ships and bound equipment.
If you think I'd be jumping species from week to week, you're on the pipe. But if I was, why should you care? I'd be paying real dollars for it. Supporting the people who run this game.
For the people that are against this for RP reasons; Picard did this atleast twice that I know of.
It's a money maker and I see no reason why it would be game breaking. If anything it would revitalize some players intrest in the game.
This is just silly. The idea here is that your character was always this race, it just wasn't available at the time, you were new to the game and didn't know better, or what have you. This is nott a TV show where the continuity of individual characters affects anyone.
Again, this is imposing your personal aesthetics on everyone else. If a new race becomes available I may not have the time or inclination to re-level them to 50 and grind up all the reputations, etc. There is no argument here; just a "I wouldn't do it and no one should do anything I wouldn't" statement.
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I would be willing to pay 2500zen to re-specie/re-trait and those that cant afford it, grind it out.
oh I don't know mister smartass, how do you think you go from human to ex-borg?
Wait I think I know ! you get assimilated and then you get rescued! damn that was hard to figure out.
Do you need me to explain how one goes from Trill to joined trill?
Bloody short-sighted people.
This. Exactly.
I do not see the issue. If you can change your Alien character in dramatic ways every day; It does not impact me in the slightest.
Some of you nay sayers act as if you watch specific players minute by minute to see if they have stayed in character.
A retrait token should exist.
I RP my Fed Tac as a joined Trill and would like him to actually be one in game.
1)DS9-Kira to Cardassian
2)DS9-Gul Dukat to Bajoran
3)DS9-Cardassian agent to Human
4)DS9-Odo to Human
5)Enterprise-Archer, Hoshi and Reed to Alien
6)TNG-LaForge to Alien
I'm sure there's some that I missed.
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The species retrait would make sense to be included with the trait respecc.
Perhaps there could also be added made avaliable a reptutation respecc.
KDF = Kazon.. known as Space Rednecks( Honorless dogs....barf barf.. :P ).
FED = Talaxian... yaay , cant wait for my Neelix character
IT would be nice to see re-species and re-trait tokens...but only 1 per character/account( you can only use it once on character or account and that is it).
This makes sense to me, to work with what alien makers are doing make it so you can only respecies to that race for the limited period of the species introduction.
From a financial point Cryptic can either;
Not offer a respec [now that I'm learning my terms]
This would mean that people would have to look at buying more character slots. I do not remeber, but is it 800 for 2? Personally, if I make a new character [I have one slot saved for Romulans] I would just doff to max level unless there actually is a true [even mini is fine with me] faction with story to play. However, I did this with my KDF character because I wasnt that interested.
Offer a respec
People would then be able to BUY a respec. I would say made it 1000 points. Again, as I stated, price it so it isn't a "change at whim" like Dstahl mentioned.
If they do, again I might use it on my KDF lethean. If they do not, I won't mind either.
Sorry if the format is totally bad when I post. Did this on my phone at work.
a) didn't know enough about what the traits actually do when rolling their first toon, but come to dislike the fixed species traits later
or b) created their character when their desired race wasn't available yet.
Plus going to the tailor can already be used to change your character in quite dramatic fashions (even more so for Aliens).
I will not change the species of any of my characters, but I see no reason to deny it for those who want to.
Be Character bound;
High price tag (1000 Zen), and;
6 month cool down (per character).
These 3 things will solve Dstahls' concerns over people changing species at a whim.
So, you could buy three tokens if you like, but once you have used one on one Toon, that Toon has a 6 month cool down before you can use a Re-Species token on them again. But the cool down does not affect using another token on another Toon.
I hear people all the time, including myself, talk about all the work and time they have put into old characters, but want to change the species without losing all the accolades, gear, etc, etc.
I am one massive vote for a Re-Species Token.
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So you have C-Store trait respec tokens. (Probably tradeable.)
And then you have a personal rep-style project to upgrade it.
Having a cooldown adds to tech requirements and is the kind of tech requirement that it could take YEARS for Cryptic to find time to add. Making it solely cost ZEN would cause outrage over the price necessary to keep it scarce without a cooldown; without a cooldown, I think the figure needed would probably be $20+.
Saying "no species respecs, reroll" runs contrary to per character unlocks and lockbox ships and reputation/DOff progress. It isn't a simple thing to do. It could cost hundreds of dollars and hundreds of hours to do properly. It's such a high hurdle that people would quit over it. Beyond this, it makes it unfair for Cryptic to radically alter species traits. Say they decided to scrap all Klingon or Human traits and start over. They should be able to do that. But if they do that without a species respec, it creates a TREMENDOUS burden for players through no fault of the players affected. It also discourages species sales on the C-Store.
What they need to do is have it be a project that takes:
A C-Store bought Trait Respec, dilithium, and some form of reagent.
I favor purple BOs as the reagent. Why? Because they're silly cheap on the exchange right now without a sink. Because it allows Cryptic to both restrict respecs to certain species and enable respecs to species that are exotic.
Say the project requires four BOs of the target species you want to respec to. Want to be a KDF Ferengi? You can do it if Cryptic releases 4 KDF Ferengi BOs and 4 BOs of a species are required.
Overall, it also gives them a lot of control if species respec tokens are NOT "respec to ANY species" but are "Respec to a SPECIFIC species." They could make a Romulan Respec token contingent on maxing out Romulan rep and visiting a T3 Embassy then. They can put Bynars Species Respecs in lockboxes so that not every friggin' lockbox needs to be based around a ship. They can have upgraded versions of normal species as respecs in the Fleet store (ie. Superior Human Respec Token as a +1 human species with new thematic human traits). The idea of prestige +1 species that can be respecced to also provides balance against the crazy alien customization if they want to reduce the "Star Wars Cantina" look of the game... or it can allow them to release a Superior Alien Respec Token that turns you into an Alien with more facial costume parts unlocked.
Species respecs are advantageous to design and a necessity for players.
Cooldowns are an unrealistic tech restriction on them.
I believe the solution is a price that uses a combination of C-Store and in-game assets and which is a respec token for a particular target species, which may include species not available at character creation.
You do realize you idea also requires tech. Tech, which may or may not have to be created from scratch in order to implement a whole new system. I am not saying it isn't without merit, but that is a lot of work, for what would be for Cryptic, little gain.
Not to mention, by including non-olayer species you have to essentially create a player species, without the benefit of it being in the character creation. it isn't as simple as using an NPC of a Cardassian to make a Cardassian captain. NPC have restricted move sets that don't work when you have a player controling them. so again you have a lot of work on Cryptics part for something I don't see getting a large gain.
Creating a Re-species token (and that is what we are talking about, retrait has already been said, it is happening) that either has a long cooldown or is limited to a one time use per character is fair more practical and doable from cryptics part and pretty much covers what the playerbase wants.
Lets face it, whether you regret what you made as a species, or you want to make an alien into a legitmate player species. Chances are you are only going to respecies any given character once, and will most likely be happy. Too not everyone, Some will want to respecies whenever and for whatever they want, but I think this will be a relatively small minority in the overall community.
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do a forum search there are heaps of threads on this..
this might be something people want? you THINK!
just put it in already.. paid race change!
If you do not like it...well tough luck.