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I haven't looked at the forums much but I've noticed some talk here and there about the Ambassador class starship, now I will agree that I'd like to see the ship in Star Trek Online as we've seen many ships being brought in (Oberth, Nebula, Excelsior) I'd like to ask this question to get an opinion about the next generation of an old ship most of us love, the Excelsior.
True we have the Tier 3-5 Excelsior's which have two variants of the ship, the standard Excelsior as seen in Star Trek IV as well as Star Trek VI and many other TNG or DS9 episodes later, but as well as the Lakota variant (Enterprise-B), which was seen in Star Trek Generations and I believe a few TNG and DS9 episodes (correct me if I am wrong). Both starship variants have been seen through out the 23rd and 24th century. How ever in Star Trek Online we are in the 25th century, most ships now have different variants of each other that make themselves more appealing to the eye's of the player. Different variants of starships have been seen like the Excalibur (Constituation Variant), The Noble (Sovereign Variant) Vigilant (Defiant Variant) and so on and so forth. Most of these variants are a bit more modern base, as well as the many variants of the Akira.
There are many fan-base variants of the Excelsior to make it more modern/advance and I've been wondering on and off in the back of my head, why not bring a new variant of the Excelsior here in Star Trek Online? A new Variant would be good especially in the current era, the federation has made many advancements to other star ships, compared to model and equipment, I would think that a new variant of the Excelsior would be good to bring into the STO community since many others including my self also favor a ship like the Excelsior.
Along with this I'd like to ask what do people think about variant of bridges for the Excelsior, for the older ships I know I'd like the old bridges that have been seen in the movies of the Excelsior bridge, but of course I'd like to ask everybody what they think.
The Excelsior's been around on STO for a while as well as many other ships, the tier 5 Nebula has a variant that makes it more modern looking for the current era, I think it's about time the Excelsior has a variant of it's own, and I'd like others opinions on this as well.
True we have the Tier 3-5 Excelsior's which have two variants of the ship, the standard Excelsior as seen in Star Trek IV as well as Star Trek VI and many other TNG or DS9 episodes later, but as well as the Lakota variant (Enterprise-B), which was seen in Star Trek Generations and I believe a few TNG and DS9 episodes (correct me if I am wrong). Both starship variants have been seen through out the 23rd and 24th century. How ever in Star Trek Online we are in the 25th century, most ships now have different variants of each other that make themselves more appealing to the eye's of the player. Different variants of starships have been seen like the Excalibur (Constituation Variant), The Noble (Sovereign Variant) Vigilant (Defiant Variant) and so on and so forth. Most of these variants are a bit more modern base, as well as the many variants of the Akira.
There are many fan-base variants of the Excelsior to make it more modern/advance and I've been wondering on and off in the back of my head, why not bring a new variant of the Excelsior here in Star Trek Online? A new Variant would be good especially in the current era, the federation has made many advancements to other star ships, compared to model and equipment, I would think that a new variant of the Excelsior would be good to bring into the STO community since many others including my self also favor a ship like the Excelsior.
Along with this I'd like to ask what do people think about variant of bridges for the Excelsior, for the older ships I know I'd like the old bridges that have been seen in the movies of the Excelsior bridge, but of course I'd like to ask everybody what they think.
The Excelsior's been around on STO for a while as well as many other ships, the tier 5 Nebula has a variant that makes it more modern looking for the current era, I think it's about time the Excelsior has a variant of it's own, and I'd like others opinions on this as well.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppt8OWaHg5c
Sufficed to say, I hold the excelsior under the same opinion and don't think it needs a new skin, just a new home.
I couldn't agree with you more Heretick. Can't stand the look of that ship and it's design is at least 100 years old. Time to give it a rest please.
http://startrekships.tumblr.com/post/32336769324/insignia-class-uss-challenger-fan-design-by-mark
The Fleet Excelsior is the best,
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=110938916
As much as I love that ship I don't think we need another variation of it.
For example, the Akira is 29 meters smaller and the Sovereign is 226 meters longer. When next to an Odyssey, the saucer seems to be the same length as the Excelsior. On the flip side, the Intrepid class is smaller than the Excelsior at 344 meters so it sort of makes my feeling moot.
I guess what I am trying to say is that if they do it... they need to come up with a good back story on why Starfleet would want to create a new cruiser that is half the size of the latest ones... Odyssey, Vesta, Regent.... and somehow be just as formidable (justify T5)
Maybe a small tough battle cruiser that is not intended for long range exploration or something... idk
Also, the Regent and it's BO layout seems really appealing to me...
http://starfleetcommand3.filefront.com/screenshots/File/26080/1
Props to the SFC3 modding community for coming up with this beauty.
I used to fly one back when I played the Generations at War mod. By far my favorite ship in the game - the classic cruiser design upgraded to 25th century specs.
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We have a T3, T5 and a Fleet version of this ship already.
It's old, it does not fit even remotely with the visual thematic of the rest of the 2400s ships, and it has one of the best base turn rates on any Fed cruiser (Fleet heavy with old AC boff layout matches it) and the fleet version has inexplicably as much hull as the Fleet Star Cruiser & Assault Cruiser - once again disregarding any Turn vs. Hull disadvantage.
This ship has already been given the royal treatment, it's 2409 lets save the new unique and interesting BOFF layouts for new ships that will inevitably roll out over the next year.
The Sovereign was bigger, slightly less manueverable, but could be built with standard warp drives and was more nimble than the more-massive Galaxy class. This made them less costly to put into service and they filled the void that the losses of Excelsiors during the Borg and Dominion wars left in the fleet. Also, the Sovereigns didn't need the over-reinforced structures of the Excelsiors, saving some on materials.
It was only when the Transwarp Drive became a reality that the Excelsior class was brought back into limited construction, or mothballed hulls put back into service. Even then, the cost of those drives made mass production less attractive when the Sovereign class could do the same jobs in most cases with equal ability.
So I don't think we need a next-gen Excelsior. We already have it in the Sovereign and Regent classes, and have three classes of updated Excelsiors already.
It is far better looking than some of the new ships as well as the ToS ships.
I would say the Excelsior is fine as it is as well as the Lakota version.It looks better than this thing
http://www.treksinscifi.com/trekdaily/pictures/2009-08-30_Enterprise_J.jpg
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It's ugly as **** to me. However to each their own.
Wow, I really like that design.
I'm thinking Escort-Cruiser hybrid (though, like we don't have enough of those already
What is your favourite ship and not a game ship from shows or movies.
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Favorite in appearance or favorite in performance?
I think we're good for the time being.
Believe it or not, people come to this game to play with the iconic franchise ships. Excelsior is one of those, as is Galaxy, Connie, Sov, Miranda, Intrepid, B'Rel, Vorcha, NeghVar etc.
But, I don't believe that the Excelsior class needs a modern looking variant. I think it would just cheapen the old horse of the fleet.
I would like to see some other classes that have made cameos in TNG like the New Orleans class and Freedom class. It would also be cool if the did something along the lines of the Fringe TV series where parts of the Alternate Universe start bleeding over into the Prime Universe; where we could see Kelvin class, Armstrong class and Mayflower class ships showing up. The effects of Nero's incursion could be working their way up the timeline potentionally. I would hate to see them as lockbox ships though; I really hate that they put some of the neater ships in lockboxes. I understand the micro transations keep the game funded, but I think after a lockbox run ends those ships should go up on the C-Store.
It is sort of like me I like the appearance of ToS and TMP Enterprise but i like the performance of the Defiant.
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Appearance would go to the Xindi Aquatic Cruiser. image
Sleek and sexy, and nice color scheme too. I think my only issue is the curvature of the wings, but other than that, she's a beautiful ship.
Performance goes to the Undine Nicor Cruiser. The ships in game are pitiful compared to the canon Nicors, even on elite. The canon Nicors were fast as hell, more maneuverable than a Jem'hadar Attack Ship, with more firepower than even the vaunted canon Borg Cubes. You want an example of what one of those can do? Watch "Scorpion" from the Voyager series. One Nicor destroys a half dozen cubes and disables just as many more. In following episodes you also get to watch a group of Undine ships destroy a Borg controlled system, and even a planet. And all the mighty Borg can do is run away.
Now if I had to do a combination of appearance and performance... that one is hard, but it would go to the Scimitar-Class Dreadnought. Simply put, she's a sexy lady, but don't let her looks fool you, she'll kill you in an instant with little to no effort.
I've yet to find a redesign of the Excelsior I love from every angle. Still, from the side these look pretty good.
In addition, every other ship got a 25th century makeover, what's one more skin for an older ship. I'll support the devs introducing a T5 skin for the Excelsior Retrofit and Fleet version as well.
http://jetfreak74656.deviantart.com/gallery/7001909#/d2lyxle
No, another of those lazy "slap Sovereign nacelles on it and it looks futuristic" designs. Something original please.
I agree the nacelles need to be rethought, but the hull itself is a sound modernization.
I like it better as a whole than the JJverse versions. Which is saying a lot because I think the JJverse concepts for it are pretty sexy.
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