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the U.S.S. prefix

echuu007echuu007 Member Posts: 23 Arc User
edited April 2013 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
can we please drop the U.S.S. prefix or have an option to disable it on non-federation ships like D'Kora/D'kyr/Atrox/Jem'hadar Attack Ship/Tuffli/Tholian ships/Galor/Breen Chel Grett warship?

same thing goes to all the shuttle crafts, since most of them weren't really commissioned as starships, also Tuffli could use a S.S. prefix



any thoughts?
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  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    echuu007 wrote: »
    can we please drop the U.S.S. prefix or have an option to disable it on non-federation ships like D'Kora/D'kyr/Atrox/Jem'hadar Attack Ship/Tuffli/Tholian ships/Galor/Breen Chel Grett warship?

    same thing goes to all the shuttle crafts, since most of them weren't really commissioned as starships, also Tuffli could use a S.S. prefix



    any thoughts?

    Im kinda hungry and prety bored. maybe i'll get some pie....or a sammich..... oh wait.. did you mean about your post?
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  • echuu007echuu007 Member Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    yes I did...
  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    echuu007 wrote: »
    yes I did...

    oh....well....my bad.

    May be nice for rp reasons, but generaly the prefix is assigned to any craft operating under the flag for the military. Regardless of who built it. So really only useful for shuttles and the tuffli.
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  • xigbargxigbarg Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    sotaudi wrote: »
    In the real world, if a ship is on loan to another country and manned by the loaning country's crew, the ship's prefix would not likely be changed no matter how long the arrangement. By contrast, if the ship on loan (or lease or whatever) and is manned by the receiving country's crew, it is almost certainly given a prefix of the receiving country. If a ship is sold or given to another country, that ship will always be given the ship owner's prefix, not the prefix of the country that sold/gave it.

    My Atrox is manned by non-Caitians. It is owned by the Federation and being flown in its service. It is supposed to have a Federation prefix. Even if that were not the case, the Caitians are, as someone else pointed out, part of the Federation. Suggesting that a Federation ship being flown by Federation citizens shouldn't have a Federation prefix is not really supportable.

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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    echuu007 wrote: »
    can we please drop the U.S.S. prefix or have an option to disable it on non-federation ships like D'Kora/D'kyr/Atrox/Jem'hadar Attack Ship/Tuffli/Tholian ships/Galor/Breen Chel Grett warship?

    same thing goes to all the shuttle crafts, since most of them weren't really commissioned as starships, also Tuffli could use a S.S. prefix



    any thoughts?

    Tuffi already uses S.S, Vulcan ship uses V.S.S...mirror ships use both I.S.S. and U.S.S.

    as for the others... well they are technically captured ships, and as such would be called U.S.S

    Although the Atrox should get P.U.R. :cool:
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  • walshicuswalshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    My Atrox is manned by non-Caitians. It is owned by the Federation and being flown in its service. It is supposed to have a Federation prefix. Even if that were not the case, the Caitians are, as someone else pointed out, part of the Federation. Suggesting that a Federation ship being flown by Federation citizens shouldn't have a Federation prefix is not really supportable.

    Agreed. The compromise made that allows people to choose a VSS prefix and VS registry for Vulcan ships was fair enough, as it's not beyond the realms of plausibility that Starfleet (a Federation organisation) would have some degree of authority over the Vulcan Navy (another Federation organisation).

    The ISS and AKS designations are just junk though; fan service for people obsessed with the naff Mirror Universe.
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  • idronaidrona Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    disposeableh3r0 wrote: »
    Im kinda hungry and prety bored. maybe i'll get some pie....or a sammich..... oh wait.. did you mean about your post?

    This. :)

    No but I thought of that too with the U.S.S. and came to the conclusion that I don't mind it at all, and it is what the Starfleet ships have in movies/series right?
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  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Thoses ships are part of Starfleet. They are captured and repurposed ships. They are part of the federation now, and not part of the Breen Confederacy or the Dominion anymore.
    They use the U.S.S. prefix. That makes sense to me.

    I always find the I.S.S. prefix stupid, basically you are using a starfleet ship, while having an enemy flag on it ? Even if you RP a mirror universe character, like many does, it's kind of obvious you won't tell Starfleet you are an enemy, and will likely hide it.
    However, the tuffli using S.S. is fine.

    If you want to RP a Breen or something, you'll likely have more than just a prefix limitation. Like the lack of breen costumes for player, or a proper breen faction. I fail to see the point behind changing the prefix.
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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,165 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    walshicus wrote: »
    Agreed. The compromise made that allows people to choose a VSS prefix and VS registry for Vulcan ships was fair enough, as it's not beyond the realms of plausibility that Starfleet (a Federation organisation) would have some degree of authority over the Vulcan Navy (another Federation organisation).

    The ISS and AKS designations are just junk though; fan service for people obsessed with the naff Mirror Universe.

    better than this universe :P
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Be nice if shuttles had the ability to put their mother ships designation, then a slash and a Number, instead of a Letter.

    You know, like they did in the shows. ;)
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  • dma1986dma1986 Member Posts: 541 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    erei1 wrote: »
    I always find the I.S.S. prefix stupid, basically you are using a starfleet ship, while having an enemy flag on it ? Even if you RP a mirror universe character, like many does, it's kind of obvious you won't tell Starfleet you are an enemy, and will likely hide it.
    The ISS prefix should trigger an "open for PvP" flag, and any USS vessel can engage it at will. Also, pilots of ISS should be unable to dock at ESD.

    If you want to roleplay a Mirror Universe ship, you can't pick and choose which bits you want. Mirror Starfleet is the enemy of "normal" Starfleet, and should be treated as such.
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    edited January 2013
    dma1986 wrote: »
    The ISS prefix should trigger an "open for PvP" flag, and any USS vessel can engage it at will. Also, pilots of ISS should be unable to dock at ESD.

    If you want to roleplay a Mirror Universe ship, you can't pick and choose which bits you want. Mirror Starfleet is the enemy of "normal" Starfleet, and should be treated as such.

    good idea let's flag those traitors ;D
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,165 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    dma1986 wrote: »
    The ISS prefix should trigger an "open for PvP" flag, and any USS vessel can engage it at will. Also, pilots of ISS should be unable to dock at ESD.

    If you want to roleplay a Mirror Universe ship, you can't pick and choose which bits you want. Mirror Starfleet is the enemy of "normal" Starfleet, and should be treated as such.

    or...

    you get on your knees and worship your terran overlords.. alien scum :O
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  • ds9fan2ds9fan2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    There's definitely some inconsistency here. You can have a Ferengi character, buy a Ferengi merchant's jacket for him to wear, give yourself the title "Trader" and fly around in a Ferengi Marauder - yet you're still supposed to be a Starfleet officer. One of the reasons I want a "Civilian" faction.
  • maxvitormaxvitor Member Posts: 2,213 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Unfortunately a civilian faction wouldn't be allowed to fly around in a heavily armed ship, maybe minimal defensive weaponry, but that's it. Non-aligned might be a better term. Even if you are RPing a nonmilitary character you a still flying a ship taking Federation or KDF missions and crewed by Federation or KDF personnel, so the USS or KDF prefixes would still be appropriate if only as flags of convenience. You can buy the NX prefix in the Cstore, but maybe S.S. would be desirable as well.
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  • born2bwild1born2bwild1 Member Posts: 1,329 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Look following the IP or Canon was tossed out the airlock a long time ago in this game - it's pretty much a free for all now.
  • raibartroudrixraibartroudrix Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    dma1986 wrote: »
    The ISS prefix should trigger an "open for PvP" flag, and any USS vessel can engage it at will. Also, pilots of ISS should be unable to dock at ESD.

    If you want to roleplay a Mirror Universe ship, you can't pick and choose which bits you want. Mirror Starfleet is the enemy of "normal" Starfleet, and should be treated as such.

    Fine by me I play on my Mirrior ship a lot and would welcome it HOWEVER since you want real role playing here.. Lets take the gloves of the Klingons as well they can attack you Feds on sight and you them. Whats that? to real for you? to hard to do your missions if always jumped by your 'team mates' you are at WAR after all and cant pick and choose which bits you want..:P
  • reimu#1706 reimu
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    edited January 2013
    The Klingons would never agree to open pvp they'd be slaughtered after all they only got 18 % of the population :rolleyes:
  • ds9fan2ds9fan2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    born2bwild1 wrote: »
    Look following the IP or Canon was tossed out the airlock a long time ago in this game - it's pretty much a free for all now.

    But if this game doesn't have canon, it has nothing - people play it because they love Star Trek. That's why I think there should be more factions, with less options within factions. Want to fly a Breen starship? Fine - but you'd better be a Breen then! And so on.

    This game really has tremendous potential for growth.
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    starfleetlufia wrote: »
    The Klingons would never agree to open pvp they'd be slaughtered after all they only got 18 % of the population :rolleyes:
    They used to be pvp flagged all the time when I played during beta. Poor guys were ganked everywhere, it was sad to see.
    Also, the pvp flag was also during cross faction pve encounter, like the borg red alert, and feds used to gank the kdf, and when they didn't, the aoe where annoying for both.
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  • lordagamemnonb5lordagamemnonb5 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    A historical precedence would be the German cruiser Prinz Eugen being given to the US Navy as a war prize, being comissioned as USS Prinz Eugen, registry IX-300 (IX for unclassified miscellaneous vessel).

    I'm kind of surprised the Navy didn't rename it.
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  • lordagamemnonb5lordagamemnonb5 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    Funny you failed to mention what happened to the "USS Prinz Eugen".

    Here us a recap, had its passive sonar ripped out and put on a sub and then made a Target Ship for Operation Crossroads in Bikini Atol and I dont think I need to say what happened in Operation Crossroads ...

    The only thing the US Navy used it for was as a target ship after they ripped off any technology they were interested on..

    You would have better luck with the Cruiser N?rnberg that was awarded to the Soviet Union as it was renamed Admiral Makarov and served until 1959 (was a training cruiser since 1957 and before that, the Flagship of the 8th Fleet).


    I know all that, but what happened to the Prinz Eugen is irrelevant to the discussion of captured ships being comissioned into service.
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  • a3001a3001 Member Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    All those ships are pressed into service under Federation Starfleet. Therefore, they are REQUIRED to have "U.S.S." prefix, reguardless if the ship was taken a prize, captured in battle, or purchased from private citizens and 3rd parties for the purpose of using said vessel as an instrument of war. Examples: H.M.S. Campbeltown, former U.S.S. Buchanan DD-131, used in the St. Nazaire raid "Operation Chariot". H.M.S. Royal Sovereign, Revenge class battleship, transferred over to Soviet control in 1944, renamed Arkhangelsk, returned to the British for scrapping. Not to mention the various other Casablanca, Bogue, and other escort carriers lent from the U.S. Navy to the Brits during WWII. And don't even get me started on warships captured, recommissioned, and pressed into service during the Napoleonic Wars and 18th-17th century eras of naval warfare!
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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    echuu007 wrote: »
    the U.S.S. prefix
    That shall be the name of my next ship.
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  • skyranger1414skyranger1414 Member Posts: 1,785 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    erei1 wrote: »
    I always find the I.S.S. prefix stupid, basically you are using a starfleet ship, while having an enemy flag on it ? Even if you RP a mirror universe character, like many does, it's kind of obvious you won't tell Starfleet you are an enemy, and will likely hide it.
    However, the tuffli using S.S. is fine.

    Are you kidding?! My captain is quite upfront about what hassle it is to have to travel back in time to a such a weaksauce parallel universe to save their sorry behinds from the many dangers the Federation isn't capable of fighting itself! Sure, these enemies are mostly small fry NOW, but after they conquer the Federation they become a Multiversal issue in the future.... Who else but the mighty Terran Empire can hope to save the multiverse??!!
  • reimu#1706 reimu
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    edited January 2013
    The Mighty Terran Federation has the same problem as the klingon empire once they run out of enemies to fight they will turn on etch other and self destruct they are just to war like for their own good not to say the mirror spock's solution was a good one if the Mirror Federation wants to survive they need to strike a balance between war and peace sadly spock leaned to heavily towards peace while they had enemies plotting in the shadows where he should have maintained the military rather then almost totally dismantling it in a universe where everyone hates you for you're past crimes it's naive to think that you can step down you're military and Ultimately the Terran Empire paid the price with their total destruction don't think the second coming of the Terran Empire namely the Terran Federation will be as foolish as their previous incarnation I found it weird how James O'brien claimed they ruled all their universe when it was clearly not true they was clearly at war with the Klingons as shown in the later mission

    also where did this guy come from as far as we know Miles O'brien and Keiko O'brien had two children none of them named that and he looks nothing like Kirayoshi I suppose the events could have been different in the mirror universe but as we saw with Sisko they tend to stay the same in terms of the same people running into etc other only choices really differ suppose Smiley could have found another woman

    the mirror ToS Crew obviously had the same mother and father as the prime universe though but i suppose the destruction of the Terran Empire could have altered events from mirror to close to the prime since there was no Terran Empire during TNG there was no Evil Gotee Picard among other things ;D



    or you could just read and it stop pointing out the obvious it's hard i know .... :D
  • sumghaisumghai Member Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    starfleetlufia wrote: »
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  • pegasuscicpegasuscic Member Posts: 157 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    echuu007 wrote: »
    can we please drop the U.S.S. prefix or have an option to disable it on non-federation ships like D'Kora/D'kyr/Atrox/Jem'hadar Attack Ship/Tuffli/Tholian ships/Galor/Breen Chel Grett warship?

    same thing goes to all the shuttle crafts, since most of them weren't really commissioned as starships, also Tuffli could use a S.S. prefix



    any thoughts?

    I think you should have to have the USS prefix because to me it is a "captured" ship that was converted to Starfleet service. And as for Dkry and Atrox should because they joine Starfleet.
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  • starkymanstarkyman Member Posts: 158 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    i know this has never happened in trek but i would love to have an HMS as a prefix just for fun thro...:P
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